Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[westwall]

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

. Not tens of millions West... Just make bumpstocks unavailable to just any Jane, Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along wanting a bumpstock in order to make his or her AR-15 an automatic weapon.

Yes, there are tens of millions of gun owners who will be affected by any gun law that is promulgated. And, the criminals will ignore the law anyway. So the only people harmed are those who are legal anyway.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The security guard has resurfaced:

Hotel guard describes getting shot before Las Vegas massacre

Apparently he was on "Ellen". I think it's kind of hard to link Ellen video.

 

[Faun]

Great, now you reduce yourself to pre-K, I’m rubber, you’re glue, banter.

Figures.

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

LOL

Thanks for confirming what I already knew. You’re basing your numbers on incomplete data.

And yet you have not posted any
"complete" data have yiou?

Not sure what that has to do with you making claims based on what you now confess is incomplete data ... but there you are.

 

[Faun]

Why do you refuse to address what I’m posting? You raise concern over the disappearance of a tattoo.....

Let’s see your proof that was a tattoo......

Did you look at the picture of him " Paddock" dead on the ground ?

Yeah, there’s nothing on his neck.

+ look very close at some détails.

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What do you see that is wrong ?

Nothing at all, except for a bunch of paranoid weirdos imagining a tattoo on his neck.

That is your opinion look at the dimensions of his wrist is not the same size and also his neck does not have the bead of old age I speak of "Paddock" lying on the ground

Here a new member who bring more information at the forum

munkle

Witnesses: Exits at Las Vegas Concert Were Blocked Prior to Shooting, Creating Kill Zone
Fourth Las Vegas Witness Unequivocally Described Shooters From Within Venue (Deceased)

You’re the one claiming it’s a tattoo on his neck, even though there is no other photograph of him adorned with such a tattoo. Don’t you think it’s up to you to prove your claims rather than challenging others to find flaws with your observations?

 

[beagle9]

You’re completely brain dead. Of course all weapons require a person to be lethal. That doesn’t make a knife more lethal than a semi automatic weapon.

Since knives are used to kill more people every year than are rifles anyone with a brain in their head would come to the conclusion that knives are more lethal than rifles.

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

So it's not the number of people killed you care about only those that happen in the same event?

99% of all murders take place outside of mass shooting events.

. How long did it take you to come up with such bullcrap as this ?? Good grief...

 

[Skull Pilot]

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

LOL

Thanks for confirming what I already knew. You’re basing your numbers on incomplete data.

And yet you have not posted any
"complete" data have yiou?

Not sure what that has to do with you making claims based on what you now confess is incomplete data ... but there you are.

I never said it was incomplete data you moron that was you or the voices in your little pointy head.

The FBI is the premier law enforcement agency in the country their stats are good enough for me.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since knives are used to kill more people every year than are rifles anyone with a brain in their head would come to the conclusion that knives are more lethal than rifles.

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

So it's not the number of people killed you care about only those that happen in the same event?

99% of all murders take place outside of mass shooting events.

. How long did it take you to come up with such bullcrap as this ?? Good grief...

All you idiots are prattling on about how dangerous rifles are but you don't even seem to get the fact that less than 2% of ALL murders are committed with rifles.

IOW rifles are the least of our problems when it comes to murder

 

[beagle9]

Did you look at the picture of him " Paddock" dead on the ground ?

Yeah, there’s nothing on his neck.

+ look very close at some détails.

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What do you see that is wrong ?

Nothing at all, except for a bunch of paranoid weirdos imagining a tattoo on his neck.

That is your opinion look at the dimensions of his wrist is not the same size and also his neck does not have the bead of old age I speak of "Paddock" lying on the ground

Here a new member who bring more information at the forum

munkle

Witnesses: Exits at Las Vegas Concert Were Blocked Prior to Shooting, Creating Kill Zone
Fourth Las Vegas Witness Unequivocally Described Shooters From Within Venue (Deceased)

You’re the one claiming it’s a tattoo on his neck, even though there is no other photograph of him adorned with such a tattoo. Don’t you think it’s up to you to prove your claims rather than challenging others to find flaws with your observations?

. In the picture I saw a #13 on the neck, now where that came from or what it is who knows. Yes, it has to be proven somehow.

 

[beagle9]

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

So it's not the number of people killed you care about only those that happen in the same event?

99% of all murders take place outside of mass shooting events.

. How long did it take you to come up with such bullcrap as this ?? Good grief...

All you idiots are prattling on about how dangerous rifles are but you don't even seem to get the fact that less than 2% of ALL murders are committed with rifles.

IOW rifles are the least of our problems when it comes to murder

. No one is going on about rifles, but rather just discussing the case, and thinking about what could be a full solution in order to stop such an event from being so deadly the next time, and this all due everything involved. Your bias is showing, but it just causes the can to continue to be kicked on down the road until it happens again.

 

[Dalia]

Did you look at the picture of him " Paddock" dead on the ground ?

Yeah, there’s nothing on his neck.

+ look very close at some détails.

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+
View attachment 155097

View attachment 155098

What do you see that is wrong ?

Nothing at all, except for a bunch of paranoid weirdos imagining a tattoo on his neck.

That is your opinion look at the dimensions of his wrist is not the same size and also his neck does not have the bead of old age I speak of "Paddock" lying on the ground

Here a new member who bring more information at the forum

munkle

Witnesses: Exits at Las Vegas Concert Were Blocked Prior to Shooting, Creating Kill Zone
Fourth Las Vegas Witness Unequivocally Described Shooters From Within Venue (Deceased)

You’re the one claiming it’s a tattoo on his neck, even though there is no other photograph of him adorned with such a tattoo. Don’t you think it’s up to you to prove your claims rather than challenging others to find flaws with your observations?

The police confirme that he did have a tattoo you just need to read the link i give.
My post was about those détails

look at the dimensions of his wrist is not the same size and also his neck does not have the bead of old age I speak of "Paddock" lying on the ground

 

[beagle9]

Sorry, but I am not responsible for your dementia.

Projecting again I see.

You might want to start thinking less emotionally

Great, now you reduce yourself to pre-K, I’m rubber, you’re glue, banter.

Figures.

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

. How many at one event though ?? The knives lose.

 

[beagle9]

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

. Not tens of millions West... Just make bumpstocks unavailable to just any Jane, Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along wanting a bumpstock in order to make his or her AR-15 an automatic weapon.

Yes, there are tens of millions of gun owners who will be affected by any gun law that is promulgated. And, the criminals will ignore the law anyway. So the only people harmed are those who are legal anyway.

. It's ashame your faith in your country, and in it's ability to do the right thing without hurting the good people has now been destroyed. Does it make you an obstructionist ?? Are we to just sweep what this guy was able to accomplish under a rug now ??

 

[Dalia]

In this video at 3.35 minutes you will see more explanation about the fact that it is maybe not Paddock dead on the ground.

 

[Faun]

Projecting again I see.

You might want to start thinking less emotionally

Great, now you reduce yourself to pre-K, I’m rubber, you’re glue, banter.

Figures.

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

. How many at one event though ?? The knives lose.

Of course they do. Sane people know that.

 

[Ame®icano]

According to authorities, Paddock checks into Mandalay Bay on 9/25. Parks his car full of weapons, ammo and explosives in the garage.

Hangs out in his room for 5 days planning the attack. Gambles a little in the casino. Not with anyone this time or the 199 other times he’s seen on camera in Vegas.

Complains to the hotel about a room below him being too loud.

On the night of Oct 1 an open door on the 32nd floor triggers an alarm. Jesus Campos is sent to investigate. He can’t access 32nd floor because the door to the stairwell is bolted shut. When he eventually gets to the 32nd floor hears "drilling" coming from Paddock’s room. As the door to the stairway closes, Paddock is suddenly triggered and opens fire down the hallway. Campos is hit in the leg.

Schuck arrives just before 200 rounds are being fired out of Paddock’s room down the hall. The wound to Campos is the only round out of 200 that hits anyone. Both Schuck and Campos radio about a shooter but neither mention Campos has been shot. Paddock begins to unload round after round on the concert.

At some point during the shooting Paddock broke a second window and fired rounds at the fuel tanks. After 10 minutes of shooting, he suddenly stops despite having thousands of more rounds of ammo in the room and a car full of explosives.

The LVMPD arrives on the 32nd floor as Paddock ends his shooting spree. 1 hour and 3 minutes after officers arrive on the 32nd floor, Paddock’s room is breached where he is found dead. Lone wolf shooter who snapped then killed himself. Am I missing anything?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

So it's not the number of people killed you care about only those that happen in the same event?

99% of all murders take place outside of mass shooting events.

. How long did it take you to come up with such bullcrap as this ?? Good grief...

All you idiots are prattling on about how dangerous rifles are but you don't even seem to get the fact that less than 2% of ALL murders are committed with rifles.

IOW rifles are the least of our problems when it comes to murder

. No one is going on about rifles, but rather just discussing the case, and thinking about what could be a full solution in order to stop such an event from being so deadly the next time, and this all due everything involved. Your bias is showing, but it just causes the can to continue to be kicked on down the road until it happens again.

Then you obviously haven't read the thread completely

 

[Skull Pilot]

Great, now you reduce yourself to pre-K, I’m rubber, you’re glue, banter.

Figures.

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

. How many at one event though ?? The knives lose.

Of course they do. Sane people know that.

And here we go with the tunnel vision

It doesn't matter to you morons that 99% of all murders happen outside of mass shooting events you are fixated on the 1%

 

[August West]

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

Not being able to own a machine gun is punishment?

Yes. I own several and if you take them away for no cause that is indeed punishment. Punishment of a financial nature as they are fantastic investments, punishment of a loss of freedom to pursue happiness as I enjoy shooting them, and punishment of a lack of due process as you are punishing ME for the criminal misdeeds of a few who will ignore your stupid law ANYWAY.

No one has threatened to take any guns from anyone and believing that they`re coming for your precious is a sign of paranoia. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease. Should you really be playing with guns?

 

[Faun]

That was you I used a perfectly valid psychological term.

Like I said you need to get a hold of your emotions and think rationally

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

. How many at one event though ?? The knives lose.

Of course they do. Sane people know that.

And here we go with the tunnel vision

It doesn't matter to you morons that 99% of all murders happen outside of mass shooting events you are fixated on the 1%

As always, you don’t even know what the argument is. I’m not saying guns should be taken away. I own one and don’t want it taken. The Second Amendment offers me that right. The argument is there are some firearms that should be restricted from the public. Like automatic military grade rifles already are. As well as semiautomatic rifles which can be operationally modified to simulate automatic weapons.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Just for a laugh... post s link to the data supporting your claim of how popular you think knives are...

I don't have to.

Look up the FBI stats and you will see plain as day that knives are used to kill many times more than rifles.

. How many at one event though ?? The knives lose.

Of course they do. Sane people know that.

And here we go with the tunnel vision

It doesn't matter to you morons that 99% of all murders happen outside of mass shooting events you are fixated on the 1%

As always, you don’t even know what the argument is. I’m not saying guns should be taken away. I own one and don’t want it taken. The Second Amendment offers me that right. The argument is there are some firearms that should be restricted from the public. Like automatic military grade rifles already are. As well as semiautomatic rifles which can be operationally modified to simulate automatic weapons.

There is no reason to ban semiautomatic rifles. None whatsoever.

less than 2% of all murders are committed by rifles of any kind.