Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[westwall]

If a law isn`t 100% effective then having that law is pointless is what WW is saying. Good grief!

I am asking you to provide evidence of a single crime being prevented due to a law being written. I'll wait.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

If you cant think of any, that's due to lack of effort on your part. No doubt someone who wanted to commit murder chose not to do so out of self-interest (their freedom), and also someone who was undecided no doubt would have committed murder, if not for the deterrent against it.

Hey, YOU made the claim. So back it up. That's how argumentation works.

I just backed it up with reason. Feel free to embarrass yourself by saying everything I said is false.

You did nothing of the sort. You made a blanket statement that is not supported by fact. Try again.

I made several statements, actually, arranged as an argument. And I invite you to embarrass yourself by attempting to counter it with your own argument.

Which you will not do, because you have chosen an absurd, untenable position you can no further defend without embarrassing yourself. And you know it.

 

[beagle9]

You’re completely brain dead. Of course all weapons require a person to be lethal. That doesn’t make a knife more lethal than a semi automatic weapon.

Since knives are used to kill more people every year than are rifles anyone with a brain in their head would come to the conclusion that knives are more lethal than rifles.

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

. Under your interpretation of laws, then none should work because they are stupid. Listen, laws and rules are created when something goes very wrong in society, and innocent people are killed. The idea that we should kick the can down the road until a thousand more or worse gets it again imho is what is stupid. Can you imagine what this country would be like if we had no rules, punishments or laws that curb the outlaws from doing as they please in a supposed lawless society ? Was the wild wild west just a leftist lie that was written in order to use propaganda as a way to create laws and justice in order to tame the west or was the wild, wild west real at all ??? Was those who used Tommy guns in the 30 & 40's a figment of our imaginations or was it real and/or just created leftis lies to subdue the public at large in that time period ???? Anything that turns a semi-automatic weapon into a weapon where that many innocent human beings can be slaughtered in a single event, and by just one man is unexceptable in a modern day society or any civilized society. Special licensing, and intense vetting should be done on anyone allowed to have automatic weapons in our civilian population. I just hope we become more responsible for our wants and needs in society. Now hey, I'm for guns and gun ownership in this country (pro-second), but what happened in Vegas was just unexceptable, and I applaud the NRA for recognizing this. It's just the bump stock I'm angry about, nothing more. Giving up the bump stock as a gesture of Goodwill in the situation would be honorable I think. Hey if I'm wrong then so be it. Now I'm not for the left using the situation to go farther than it should go, so I understand the resistance in that respect. I don't blame anyone for being leary of the motivations of the left in this country. If it weren't for the left, I think we would see greater common sense prevail on these issues. Why don't the left give up something in it all ?? They (the left) always want the gun culture to capitulate without meeting them halfway. This is why the resistance to the left continues in this country. Sad, but can't blame the resistance for resisting.

 

[beagle9]

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents murder, speeding or anything, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

You mean, no law prevents ALL murder and ALL speeding.

 

[beagle9]

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

. The prevention comes after the punishment that fits the crime is then given, wherefore the punishment then acts as a deterrent in the minds of the young hopefully causing them to take pause, and then say hmmm, "I better not try that, because that feller got hammered when he done that ".

 

[ChrisL]

Since knives are used to kill more people every year than are rifles anyone with a brain in their head would come to the conclusion that knives are more lethal than rifles.

. If talking in terms of lethality being or meaning the number of people killed in one instant by a perp, then guns trump knives in the lethality of the weapon used everytime. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

The fact remains that more people are killed with knives annually than with rifles
More people are killed with nothing but fists and feet annually than with rifles

So this fixation with rifles is missing the point entirely.

. Stats are not the truth in what is trying to be revealed in this situation... No where has there ever been recorded in the history of this country where a single individual killed 58 people, and injured 500 in one event with knives. The use of knives here is a fail in comparison of. We have laws regarding speeding, and yes thousands disobey these laws daily, but if we didn't have speeding laws could you imagine the chaos that would insue ? The majority obey the speed laws, so there is enough who obey the laws in order to get a healthy balance in the streets that makes the system work. If we had laws outlawing bump stocks, it doesn't mean there would be no more bump stocks in private collections. It only means that you had best not get caught brandishing it out into the public square or bragging about it to your buddies until they talk about it around the wrong people, and they come to steal your collection.

\






That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

. Under your interpretation of laws, then none should work because they are stupid. Listen, laws and rules are created when something goes very wrong in society, and innocent people are killed. The idea that we should kick the can down the road until a thousand more or worse gets it again imho is what is stupid. Can you imagine what this country would be like if we had no rules, punishments or laws that curb the outlaws from doing as they please in a supposed lawless society ? Was the wild wild west just a leftist lie that was written in order to use propaganda as a way to create laws and justice in order to tame the west or was the wild, wild west real at all ??? Was those who used Tommy guns in the 30 & 40's a figment of our imaginations or was it real and/or just created leftis lies to subdue the public at large in that time period ???? Anything that turns a semi-automatic weapon into a weapon where that many innocent human beings can be slaughtered in a single event, and by just one man is unexceptable in a modern day society or any civilized society. Special licensing, and intense vetting should be done on anyone allowed to have automatic weapons in our civilian population. I just hope we become more responsible for our wants and needs in society. Now hey, I'm for guns and gun ownership in this country (pro-second), but what happened in Vegas was just unexceptable, and I applaud the NRA for recognizing this. It's just the bump stock I'm angry about, nothing more. Giving up the bump stock as a gesture of Goodwill in the situation would be honorable I think. Hey if I'm wrong then so be it. Now I'm not for the left using the situation to go farther than it should go, so I understand the resistance in that respect. I don't blame anyone for being leary of the motivations of the left in this country. If it weren't for the left, I think we would see greater common sense prevail on these issues. Why don't the left give up something in it all ?? They (the left) always want the gun culture to capitulate without meeting them halfway. This is why the resistance to the left continues in this country. Sad, but can't blame the resistance for resisting.

You are trusting the leftists to stop at that? Really? They don't know the meaning of "good will. They will only take advantage of a weakness that they see.

 

[westwall]

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

 

[westwall]

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That is true. However, the single biggest mass murder was committed by an asshole with a gallon of gasoline at a New York club. The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws. France has all of the gun laws you want and more, and still assholes were able to shoot 130 poor people to death. Gun laws don't work. Anybody with a brain can figure that one out.

Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx in 1990
Fire kills 87 people at the Happy Land Social Club in 1990

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

I am asking you to show me a SINGLE murder that was prevented because there was a law against it.

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[Ame®icano]

Two shooters?

 

[Ame®icano]

Eyewitness saying multiple shooters.

Las Vegas shooting: Queensland eyewitness to Mandalay attack

 

[Ame®icano]

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING SURVIVOR KYMBERLEY SUCHOMEL, WHO CLAIMED MULTIPLE SHOOTERS INVOLVED, DIES UNEXPECTEDLY

“Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.
As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed.”

 

[Ame®icano]

Police scanner recordings have police saying multiple shooters



Check these times.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ooooooooor....maybe he's mistaken.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Police scanner recordings have police saying multiple shooters



Check these times.

Oooooooooorr....maybe people just heard echoes.

 

[beagle9]

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

. Not tens of millions West... Just make bumpstocks unavailable to just any Jane, Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along wanting a bumpstock in order to make his or her AR-15 an automatic weapon.

 

[Faun]

^^^ a moron who realized his argument failed.

Moron, it took only one post for you to abandon your idiocy of how lethal Oswald was compared to someone armed with semi automatic weapons.

Those who say everyone else fails need to look in the mirror

a semiautomatic is no more lethal than the person shooting it.

But for idiots like you who believe guns kill no rational argument will ever suffice

You’re completely brain dead. Of course all weapons require a person to be lethal. That doesn’t make a knife more lethal than a semi automatic weapon.

Since knives are used to kill more people every year than are rifles anyone with a brain in their head would come to the conclusion that knives are more lethal than rifles.

Spits the moron not factoring in how many killers used a knife versus a semi automatic weapon.

Since more people are killed by knives every year than rifles obviously more killers kill with knives than rifles.

LOLOL

So?

I guess to the brain-dead, that makes a knife more lethal than a semi-automatic rifle.

 

[August West]

"The point being that an asshole intent on murder is not going to be deterred by your stupid laws."


Haha, you heard it here, folks: Murder laws are pointless. Now, everyone go try to wash off the stupid.

Not pointless. But they don't prevent murder. They just provide a means for punishment when the asshat is finally (if ever) caught.

Of course they prevent murders. What an absurd thing to say. Dude, take a break...you have chosen an untenable position, and it is making you say bizarre things.

Really? I can't think of a single murder that has been prevented because they are against the law. Do provide a link for a case where the law prevented a murder. I am truly interested.

. No law prevents all murder, all speeding or anything in the like, but if caught then we can say during the trial that you knew the law, and yet you decided to break it, and now the punishment under the law will be this. This is supposed to act as a deterrent against others who may consider doing the same, but because they know about the law, and what happened to the law breaker, then it hopefully will cause the new potential law breaker to not go down the same path.

Ummm. Had you bothered to read my response that is what I stated. Laws don't prevent crime. They merely codify the punishment for doing the crime. You people want to punish tens of millions of people for the criminal misdeeds of a few thousand people. Sounds kind of dumb. You all claiming to want life to be "fair" and all.

Not being able to own a machine gun is punishment?

 

[beagle9]

Police scanner recordings have police saying multiple shooters



Check these times.

Well in the initial or early on confusion there was the idea of multiple shooters of course, but it turned out not to be but one according to police. You had the echoes of the weapon, the firing rate of the weapon or weapons when using more than one by the shooter right ? The woman some had claimed to be in the crowd saying "you're all going to die tonight", was interesting, but nothing more on that has developed. After 48 hours it just goes crazy. Who knows now, but hopefully time will give us the answers, and for the victims and families hopefully justice and closure.