Let me see if I have this right.

[Mac-7]

Policies like arresting journalists who are critical of the prez?

You know thats a lie

 

[berg80]

Feel better?

Ask me next week.

 

[berg80]

You know thats a lie

So......your saying trump is lying?

 

[Rawley]

Ask me next week.

You're not going to be happy. In case you haven't figured it out, your party's loss with all of it's own doing.

 

[berg80]

He did used to be a democrat, after all. Their answer is always more spending.

That's as ineffectual a deflection as I've seen so far on this thread.

 

[Mac1958]

True enough. But we haven't. If trump wins, we're about to.

In all seriousness, if Trump wins, I hope these folks will at least be a little more honest about what they really want.

We need to at least get back to a point where we're operating in the same reality.

 

[martybegan]

Because the US has a long standing cultural and economic connection to Europe. Putin invading Ukraine destabilizes the region and is a threat to Europe.

We have no interests in Iraq or Afghanistan and Republicans insisted on invading. Note that the US is just sending aid to Ukraine

And Europe and the US seem to have no idea how to have Ukraine actually win anything.

 

[berg80]

You're not going to be happy. In case you haven't figured it out, your party's loss with all of it's own doing.

You mean Repub's belief in lies is Dem's doing? I don't think so.

A brief true or false quiz for trump supporters.

1. Trump won the election in 2020? Y/N 2. RFK Jr. knows more about medicine than anyone? Y/N 3. Tariffs are paid for by countries exporting goods in to the US? Y/N 4. There are 32K illegal aliens in Springfield, OH eating resident's pets? Y/N 5. Global warming is a Chinese hoax? Y/N 6...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[hadit]

Actually, his ideas are not popular with medical experts, like doctors who went to school to learn about treating patients.

His ideas are geared towards preventing children from needing so much medical care in the first place. The key is your word, "patients". Healthy children should not be patients, not in today's world where we've nearly eradicated diseases that used to kill thousands of kids every year. I believe in vaccines but retain a healthy skepticism about rushing the Covid vaccines out so fast. At any rate, yes, kids need a world where parents are not arrested for their kids playing unsupervised in their own back yards.

 

[berg80]

In all seriousness, if Trump wins, I hope these folks will at least be a little more honest about what they really want.

We need to at least get back to a point where we're operating in the same reality.

Fat chance. Their reality is created for them by the misinformation they choose to consume.

 

[rightwinger]

And Europe and the US seem to have no idea how to have Ukraine actually win anything.

Ukraine was supposed to last a few days against the mighty Russian invasion. They expected Kyev to fold and Putin to install a puppet government.

Instead, Ukraine forces held on and forced the Russians back.
Putin expected the US and NATO to do nothing
Instead, we supplied high tech military supplies that are killing hundreds of thousands of Russians

 

[hadit]

And it likely wouldn't even be her's. It would be the same back room cabal that is pulling Biden's strings currently.

And in her case, it would be even more obvious. She doesn't have an original thought in her head and no idea how to accomplish any of the things she's spouting.

 

[berg80]

His ideas are geared towards preventing children from needing so much medical care in the first place.

That's patently absurd. He will make kids vulnerable to debilitating disease if he gets his way.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If trump is elected he's going to have RFK Jr. "go wild" on the US healthcare system.

Trump says he would let RFK Jr. 'go wild on medicines'
https://www.politico.com/video/2024...would-let-rfk-jr-go-wild-on-medicines-1466853

For the most part, Donald Trump has been mum on who he’d appoint to his administration if he wins.
But he has made one pretty clear promise: Trump has said he’ll let conspiracy theorist and vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. “go wild” on health, food, and drug regulation. That could have massive consequences for public health and vaccine policy in America. If Kennedy were to completely get his way and deter vaccination, vaccine-preventable diseases like measles and polio could make a comeback.
Trump really could empower RFK Jr. to wreck public health

Elon Musk, trump's future budget czar, says the country needs to brace for hardship, a metaphor for the economy needing to be crashed.

Elon Musk asks voters to brace for economic 'hardship,' deep spending cuts in potential Trump Cabinet role

“We have to reduce spending to live within our means,” Musk said. “And, you know, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.”

Many economists agree that Trump’s economic and fiscal proposals could spark an economic calamity, though it is not clear whether they have considered, or given credence, to Musk’s calls for austerity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/ec...-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807

And the Orange Menace plans to suspend the constitutional rights of journalists and those suspected of breaking the law by prosecuting media critics and allowing law enforcement to really rough up criminals in retaliation for what they've done or accused of doing.

Trump says ‘violent day’ of policing will end crime
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/29/trump-violent-day-policing-crime-00181619

New Trump admin would try to prosecute journalists, former Trump adviser says
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kash-patel-trump-administration/index.html

If protests break out over journalists being jailed or economic "hardship" he's prepared to use the military to deal with it.

Trump suggests he’ll use the military on ‘the enemy from within’ the U.S. if he’s reelected
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...he-enemy-from-within-the-u-s-if-hes-reelected

During his first term as president, Donald Trump tested the limits of how he could use the military to achieve policy goals. If given a second term, the Republican and his allies are preparing to go much further, reimagining the military as an all-powerful tool to deploy on U.S. soil.

He has pledged to recall thousands of American troops from overseas and station them at the U.S. border with Mexico. He has explored using troops for domestic policy priorities such as deportations and confronting civil unrest. He has talked of weeding out military officers who are ideologically opposed to him.

Trump’s vision amounts to a potentially dramatic shift in the role of the military in U.S. society, carrying grave implications for both the country’s place in the world and the restraints that have traditionally been placed on domestic use of the military.
I find all this to be suboptimal. For trump supporters, it seems they have a choice to make. Vote for what he has promised, or believe he's lying about it.

Begging the question, if he's lying, if he doesn't plan on doing the things he says he is, what is his motivation for saying them?

Can trump supporters see why some Americans reject his vision for the next 4 years?

Further proof Trump is unfit to be president.

 

[hadit]

That's as ineffectual a deflection as I've seen so far on this thread.

He's certainly not a fiscal conservative, which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that Musk will make some serious, effective proposals to slightly trim the annual increase in the federal budget and they'll be tossed as too likely to cause riots.

 

[Rawley]

You mean Repub's belief in lies is Dem's doing? I don't think so.

Nah. You pretended Joey was not demented for years. You allowed him to run an become your nominee. When it became clear his dementia was going to allow Trump to walk back into the WH, you threw him under the bus and installed one of the least liked and most incompetent politicians in your party.

You have no one to blame but yourselves.

 

[rightwinger]

His ideas are geared towards preventing children from needing so much medical care in the first place. The key is your word, "patients". Healthy children should not be patients, not in today's world where we've nearly eradicated diseases that used to kill thousands of kids every year. I believe in vaccines but retain a healthy skepticism about rushing the Covid vaccines out so fast. At any rate, yes, kids need a world where parents are not arrested for their kids playing unsupervised in their own back yards.

I grew up in a time shortly after the Polio crisis. Children in my class routinely came down with Measles, Mumps and Chicken Pox.
Those diseases almost became a thing of the past as vaccines almost eradicated them.
Then, along came vaccine deniers like RFK jr spreading fear and misinformation about vaccines

This is the moron Trump wants to put in charge of our health system?

 

[hadit]

That's patently absurd. He will make kids vulnerable to debilitating disease if he gets his way.

Treating kids as if they're patients from birth is not the answer either, but that's the way we're headed.

 

[hadit]

I grew up in a time shortly after the Polio crisis. Children in my class routinely came down with Measles, Mumps and Chicken Pox.
Those diseases almost became a thing of the past as vaccines almost eradicated them.
Then, along came vaccine deniers like RFK jr spreading fear and misinformation about vaccines

This is the moron Trump wants to put in charge of our health system?

The last one didn't do such a great job either. Sounds like the government should get out of the way and let doctors deal with their own patients.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

But he has made one pretty clear promise: Trump has said he’ll let conspiracy theorist and vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. “go wild” on health, food, and drug regulation.

Trump will advance the right's war on facts and the truth.