Let's catch up with Germany

[Robert W]

I was looking at history of Germany starting in the late 1800s and came upon this more recent and relevant bit of German history. I hope this clears up the damage done to Germany by it's Democrats.

The SPD remained out of power at the national level from 1982 to 1998, suffering four successive election losses. In 1998, led by Gerhard Schröder, the SPD, running on a centrist agenda, was able to form a governing coalition with the Green Party. Schröder had campaigned on a platform of lower taxes and cuts in government spending to spur investment and create jobs. Despite the inability of Schröder’s government to revive the economy and reduce unemployment, the SPD was narrowly reelected in 2002, a victory largely credited to the popular appeal of Schröder’s response to historic floods in the country and his pledge not to endorse or participate in U.S. military action against Iraq.


During its second term in government, the SPD was unable to reduce unemployment or revive the country’s stagnant economy, and it suffered a series of devastating losses in state elections. Thousands of party members left the SPD in protest over cuts in what were considered sacred programs, such as unemployment benefits and health care, and some ex-SPD members formed an alternative party under former SPD leader Oskar Lafontaine; the new party jointly campaigned in 2005 with the eastern-based Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS). Despite the split and dissatisfaction with the SPD government, Schröder still retained widespread popularity, and the SPD captured 34 percent of the national vote. It fell only four seats shy of the CDU-CSU, but neither was able to form a majority government with its preferred coalition partner because of the success of Lafontaine’s new party and the PDS. After negotiation, the SPD entered into a grand coalition with the CDU-CSU as the junior partner, and Schröder resigned the chancellorship.

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[Robert W]

So what lessons can be learned. We learn that Democrats make poor leaders.


David P. Conradt
In Germany’s 2009 parliamentary elections, the SPD experienced a devastating drop in support. The party won just 23 percent of the national vote, and its number of seats in the Bundestag fell from 222 to 146—a number well below the CDU-CSU’s 239 seats. The SPD was thus forced out of Germany’s coalition government and into a position of opposition. Its position improved as a result of the 2013 parliamentary elections. Although it finished second with about 26 percent of the vote, the SPD joined the government of the election-winning CDU-CSU alliance in a “grand coalition.” The CDU-CSU’s previous coalition partner, the FDP, had failed to reach the threshold necessary for representation in the Bundestag.


Participation in the grand coalition did not help the SPD’s popularity, and minor parties saw their support increase in the face of steady, if unspectacular, economic growth and rising anti-immigrant feeling. In the September 2017 general election, the SPD won just 20 percent of the vote, its worst performance in the postwar era. Although party leader Martin Schulz had vowed that the SPD would not participate in another grand coalition, months of failed talks and the prospect of fresh elections led Schulz to reverse his pledge. Schulz resigned in February 2018, and the following month party members approved a continuation of the grand coalition with Angela Merkel’s CDU-CSU. In October Merkel announced that she would step down after her fourth term as chancellor, and the race began to determine who would replace her. SPD members pinned their hopes on Olaf Scholz, who had served as vice chancellor and finance minister under Merkel since 2018. Scholz won widespread approval for his handling of Germany’s federal COVID-19 economic aid package, and he was seen by many as the best option for a continuation of Merkel’s steady leadership.
When Germans went to the polls in September 2021, they returned a historically low result for the country’s two mainstream parties. The SPD and the CDU-CSU combined to win less than half of the total vote, while the Greens and Free Democratic Party (FDP) posted exceptionally strong performances. Still, the SPD was the overall winner, claiming 25.7 percent of the vote and 206 seats in the Bundestag, and eyes immediately turned to Scholz as the coalition-building process began.

 

[Bleipriester]

If you want to tell us that if the left cuts tax no jobs will be created and if the right cuts tax many jobs will be created, then this sounds somewhat strange.

Both the major parties are flooding the country with criminals and have always something they come up with that is more important than then interests of the people. Globalization, refugees, environmentalism, war, you name it. They simply refuse to put the nation first and force the people to vote for AfD and insult them thereafter, call them hateful "citizens of wrath" or even fascists or nazis.
It is time for them to step down.

 

[luiza]

They are bankrupt and now even they admit that .

Just stick to basic hard facts and stop waffling

 

[Robert W]

If you want to tell us that if the left cuts tax no jobs will be created and if the right cuts tax many jobs will be created, then this sounds somewhat strange.

Both the major parties are flooding the country with criminals and have always something they come up with that is more important than then interests of the people. Globalization, refugees, environmentalism, war, you name it. They simply refuse to put the nation first and force the people to vote for AfD and insult them thereafter, call them hateful "citizens of wrath" or even fascists or nazis.
It is time for them to step down.

I am catching up with Germany. I spent about 15 months living there from 1962 until the end of January 1964. At that time being in the US Army and a loyal Democrat, I did not catch too much politics at that time.

 

[BluesLegend]

Some years back I spoke with an engineer in Germany. She said government took 75% of every dollar she earned.

 

[Billiejeens]

So what lessons can be learned. We learn that Democrats make poor leaders.


David P. Conradt
In Germany’s 2009 parliamentary elections, the SPD experienced a devastating drop in support. The party won just 23 percent of the national vote, and its number of seats in the Bundestag fell from 222 to 146—a number well below the CDU-CSU’s 239 seats. The SPD was thus forced out of Germany’s coalition government and into a position of opposition. Its position improved as a result of the 2013 parliamentary elections. Although it finished second with about 26 percent of the vote, the SPD joined the government of the election-winning CDU-CSU alliance in a “grand coalition.” The CDU-CSU’s previous coalition partner, the FDP, had failed to reach the threshold necessary for representation in the Bundestag.


Participation in the grand coalition did not help the SPD’s popularity, and minor parties saw their support increase in the face of steady, if unspectacular, economic growth and rising anti-immigrant feeling. In the September 2017 general election, the SPD won just 20 percent of the vote, its worst performance in the postwar era. Although party leader Martin Schulz had vowed that the SPD would not participate in another grand coalition, months of failed talks and the prospect of fresh elections led Schulz to reverse his pledge. Schulz resigned in February 2018, and the following month party members approved a continuation of the grand coalition with Angela Merkel’s CDU-CSU. In October Merkel announced that she would step down after her fourth term as chancellor, and the race began to determine who would replace her. SPD members pinned their hopes on Olaf Scholz, who had served as vice chancellor and finance minister under Merkel since 2018. Scholz won widespread approval for his handling of Germany’s federal COVID-19 economic aid package, and he was seen by many as the best option for a continuation of Merkel’s steady leadership.
When Germans went to the polls in September 2021, they returned a historically low result for the country’s two mainstream parties. The SPD and the CDU-CSU combined to win less than half of the total vote, while the Greens and Free Democratic Party (FDP) posted exceptionally strong performances. Still, the SPD was the overall winner, claiming 25.7 percent of the vote and 206 seats in the Bundestag, and eyes immediately turned to Scholz as the coalition-building process began.

We didn't learn that.
We already knew that
Democrats suck at real world stuff.

 

[Robert W]

Some years back I spoke with an engineer in Germany. She said government took 75% of every dollar she earned.

Highway robbery.

 

[Kruska]

So what lessons can be learned. We learn that Democrats make poor leaders.


David P. Conradt
In Germany’s 2009 parliamentary elections, the SPD experienced a devastating drop in support......

It doesn't just simply pertain to the e.g. SPD or e.g. CDU, but to ALL mainstream parties in Germany and any other Western country - aside from Switzerland.

Since latest in the late 60'ies - there were no more politicians that behold, beheld the trait of "responsibility" towards the country nor it's people. Furthermore they ALL are a bunch of totally unqualified parasites - simply taking care, solely of their own wallets.

Additionally - thanks to the Austrian, the USA and others made sure that Germans are not allowed to have a "national thought" from 1949 onward. Thus as in the case of a 16 year old girl (some weeks ago) that wrote a school-essay with the wording - Germany isn't just a country, but my HEIMAT (my home) was cited to the principals office - being confronted with the accusation of "harboring right-wing thoughts".

During the early 80'ies a Bundeswehr comrade of mine (training in the USA) had placed a button on his jacket "I am proud to be a German" in reference to those Reagan buttons "MAGA" and I am proud to be American. He was summoned by the German Col. in command - and accused of harboring "right-wing thoughts" aka being a Neo-Nazi.

As for Schroeder - he was the ONLY German chancellor who straight forward opposed US domination over Germany - thus making himself an "unwanted" and "disliked" person in DC Washington. Schroeder also was the only German chancellor who accepted Putin's open hand (given via his speech at the Bundestag in 2001) thus setting the future towards a close German-Russian economic cooperation and even a military prospect of Russia joining NATO. And or to additionally form a European Army that would integrate cooperate with Russia.

Now guess who immediately tried to sabotage this with all might? - yes you are correct the USA and it's known "retriever doggy" the UK.

Upon NATO - foremost the USA having caused the Ukraine crisis, resulting in the known Putin action - Schroeder was totally dismantled, discredited and vilified by ALL German parties and naturally foremost by the USA and the UK.

That he also enabled the Greens and thus lefty&libs to take extreme influence onto Germany's political decisions (due to being dependent on them via a coalition) is also a fact, but another story.

This isn't just about our (Germany) unqualified, useless and parasitic politicians - but that ALL except for Russia since 1988 and e.g. China - have persistently been keeping/hindering Germany aka Germans from harboring/developing "patriotic" feelings since 1949.

And BTW - when Germans had finally developed a "patriotic" sense aka a common unity and country from 1870 onward - the British and French made sure, that a provoked WW1 will render Germany destroyed and powerless. That the half-British, and mentally underprivileged, Wilhelm II strongly enabled this, is also understood.

 

[Kruska]

We didn't learn that.
We already knew that
Democrats suck at real world stuff.

Not just Democrats - you blind and errant mole.

 

[Billiejeens]

Not just Democrats - you blind and errant mole.

No
Just Democrats.

 

[elektra]

I am catching up with Germany. I spent about 15 months living there from 1962 until the end of January 1964. At that time being in the US Army and a loyal Democrat, I did not catch too much politics at that time.

I have much respect for Colonel Hackworth, he was a company commander in Germany at that time. One of the true great soldiers.

 

[luiza]

We need leading Germs to sort this out.
Ze Bra to run a poll on the Topic.
Bangabangwa to sing his song where he reminds us that every living Germ is related to a great Russian super heroine , Dear Uncle P's Siberian grandmother , still locally known as BigTits .

 

[Robert W]

I have much respect for Colonel Hackworth, he was a company commander in Germany at that time. One of the true great soldiers.

I own his book. He passed away when Bush was president, I think at any rate.

 

[elektra]

I own his book. He passed away when Bush was president, I think at any rate.

I own a couple of his books and an extra copy of at least one

 

[Robert W]

I own a couple of his books and an extra copy of at least one

He was very good at understanding the military. Very good author.

 

[Robert W]

I own a couple of his books and an extra copy of at least one

For those who do not know about this great man, this video can help them learn about him.

 

[Kruska]

He was very good at understanding the military.

No actually he wasn't at all - he was one of those many "practical" Battalion field&staff officers, that never understood the existing political implications and domination onto the military and it's leadership. When he finally did, he took his leave.

 

[Robert W]

No actually he wasn't at all - he was one of those many "practical" Battalion field&staff officers, that never understood the existing political implications and domination onto the military and it's leadership. When he finally did, he took his leave.

Why are you impugning a great Battalion commander? He had winning tactics. He was asked to attend the college where future Generals go and he turned it down 2 times so he could speak about the Vietnam War.

 

[Kruska]

Why are you impugning a great Battalion commander?

Where do you read this?

On the contra, I had stated that he was one of many "practical" battalion commanders (which is essential to win battles-but the latter does not imply: "winning a war"

... so he could speak about the Vietnam War.

If e.g. a Bundeswehr officer or any member would go public on TV - and state that a war can't be won - that person would not just be disciplined but discharged. He/she might even additionally stand on trial for treason.

That proves - that he had no understanding of the military - since the military and it's overall strategy in democratic countries is run by politicians (and as such by their elitist circles and voters) and not solely by the military.
You honestly believe that a highly qualified military like Gen. Westmoreland, didn't know how to win that war?

However if one decides upon becoming a General and/or making a career in the military - he/she needs to "adhere" (ass-kissing might be the better word) towards the political supremos. The US forces logically beat the shit out of those Saddam forces - but couldn't win the war aka the objective of controlling Iraq - simply due to political agendas.

And the last war involving US troops, that was run by the military and their defined strategy - was WWII.