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Not without a barf bag handy. He's the poster boy for why I got rid of TV.
Here's the supreme irony here: the OP in his ignorance conflates "Liberal" with "leftist" (his own article mockingly but acccurately describes "the tolerant left", not "the tolerant Liberals") --- while side by side on the Politics forum rides another thread entitled,
The Left Is Making Up Events In The News To Create Symbolic Issues That Fit Their Agenda
Get that? The left is making up events. GHook conflates "Liberal" and "left", and it's the left who's making it up.
Boggles the mind, it does.
You should take that up with the leftists who have hijacked the title "liberal" in this country, thinking that nobody would notice.
I would but he drank himself to death in the '50s. And I don't think Joe was either a Liberal or a leftist. Mostly he was a Liar. Which is what you have to be to float these false association turds.
"...many who call themselves “liberals” today are in fact leftists – i.e., the very antithesis of liberals. The modern Left – which traces its roots back to a faction of early-19th-century French liberals who proclaimed that capitalism and private property were agents of inevitable moral decay – is animated by a desire to topple the existing capitalist order and to replace it with a socialist regime where the utopian ideal of perfect equality will reign. Disingenuously portraying itself as an agent of enlightened commitment to “liberal” causes, today’s Left in fact rejects each of the liberal ideals enumerated in the preceding paragraph. We can readily observe, for instance, that the modern Left is the stalwart champion of:
"By calling themselves “liberals,” leftists have entirely redefined the terms of debate. The media and the general public have largely gone along with this fraudulent self-identification, as evidenced by the fact that few people nowadays draw any distinction between liberalism in its original and authentic sense, and leftism — or socialism posing as “liberalism.” Indeed the terms are generally used interchangeably by people at every point along the political spectrum."
- group rights and collective identity, rather than of individual rights and responsibilities (e.g., racial preferences, notions of collective guilt and innocence, and a devotion to identity politics generally);
- the circumvention of law rather than the rule of law (as exemplified by the flouting of immigration laws and nondiscrimination laws, and by a preference for judicial activism whereby judges co-opt the powers that rightfully belong to legislators);
- the expansion of government rather than its diminution (favoring ever-escalating taxes to fund a bloated welfare state and a government that oversees — and intervenes in — virtually every aspect of human life); and
- the redistribution of wealth (through punitive taxes and, again, a mushrooming welfare state), rather than its creation through free markets based on private property.
What Exactly Is a Leftist And What Is a Liberal NewsReal Blog
And while the author actually agrees with you in theory..that there definitely is a difference...the fact of the matter is that libs and the media have allowed it to happen, so until you clean house, meh, you're going to be considered "leftists" because the leftists have adopted your label.
Clean house eh?
Dafuck do you think I just did by calling out the OP's dishonesty?
Thank you for that backup though. It was indeed my point. But it was not Liberals OR leftists who started this conflation conflagration.
Take it, tailgunner Joe...
One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics.
