Debate Now Logical Debate Forum?

[Flopper]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

No. Very few people know how to debate.
Most people have no interest in debate. They simply want to express their opinion, and disparage those that disagree.
In fact, I thing most people including the management are far more interested in free speech than than civil organized discussions.

 

[Cellblock2429]

No. Very few people know how to debate.
Most people have no interest in debate. They simply want to express their opinion, and disparage those that disagree.
In fact, I thing most people including the management are far more interested in free speech than than civil discussions.

/——/ They used to have debate clubs at school. I guess that didn’t help the Socialist movement.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

We had this on the old USPOL (uspoliticsonline)
The way we made it work was a member would create a thread, asking for a volunteer to moderate the thread. In VBulletin you could make someone have mod powers, but only in that one thread. The volunteer mod would keep the thread on topic by removing errant post.
It actually worked pretty well.
But I don't believe for a second it could work today, and even less on this forum.

 

[jc456]

Nah, it's not. He wants posts removed based on the judgement that they're not logical or reasonable. Who is best suited to do that? I don't know. Probably him if you ask him. Obviously as the one with the idea he's the perfect candidate.

In other words, he wants his narrative and any other view isn’t allowed. He’d respond something about orangemanbad!

 

[jwoodie]

Informative, but the example is faulty. Humans do not "eat" cows in the same sense that cows "eat" grass. The transitive property is based on equivalence, not verbal association.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB?

No

 

[Votto]

No

 

[Votto]

It's really not very complicated. Maybe you should just Google the definition of the word.

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[Flopper]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

NO, USMB is not about debating. It is about arguing and stating one's opinion. The only way a real debate forum could work is if the debate were monitored for violations of debate rules. The members allowed to post in the forum would have to be controlled. I would guess that about 95% of members do not understand standard debate rules and have no idea what a logical fallacy means much less the various types.

 

[Billo_Really]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

I had a speech class in college where we would do mock debates. The rules were, you could not state you rebuttal, until you stated the apposing point of view, back to your opponent, to his/her satisfaction.

That forced people to understand the specific point they were arguing against.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Informative, but the example is faulty. Humans do not "eat" cows in the same sense that cows "eat" grass. The transitive property is based on equivalence, not verbal association.

True. At times I'd rather eat than see a purple cow. Not grass though.

 

[HikerGuy83]

That would be a huge clusterfuck pain in the ass. It'd also be heavily subject to bias. Trying to control the conversation is stupid.

He asked it if was possible ?

Not if it would stupid or painful.

And the answer is that it is possible. How probable is another question.

 

[BackAgain]

That's basically the CDZ

Not by a long shot.

 

[HikerGuy83]

NO, USMB is not about debating. It is about arguing and stating one's opinion. The only way a real debate forum could work is if the debate were monitored for violations of debate rules. The members allowed to post in the forum would have to be controlled. I would guess that about 95% of members do not understand standard debate rules and have no idea what a logical fallacy means much less the various types.

In theory, that is the Bull Ring.

I am planning to test that sometime soon.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Also... in this day and age, predominantly right wing loons continue to pretend that sites like the Gateway Pundit are on a par with the Associated Press or CNN. Clearly they know this is not the case but as a debating tool, it is effective. All one has to do is find a source on the internet (or make it themselves) and cite it to have an iron-clad "logical" argument. And yes, the left win has it's own subset of crazy websites too.

Which are these "crazy websites" that supposedly balance out "sites like the Gateway Pundit"?

 

[candycorn]

Which are these "crazy websites" that supposedly balance out "sites like the Gateway Pundit"?

Daily KOs for one.

 

[luiza]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

As they say these days , You Are Joking Me .

You might as well suggest that the vast majority learn a new language .

 

[Libby von H]

Is it possible to have a Logical Debate Forum on USMB? This would require a succinct proposition, followed by relevant facts and logical conclusions drawn therefrom. Irrelevancies and logical fallacies would be identified and removed by majority vote. Is this possible?

Do attend to the first rule in a debate : There must be a shared FIRST PRINCIPLE.
You cannot hold a debate between someone who believes the external world is a dream and anyone else.
Or someone who says 'logic does not apply'

A lot of debating on here (esp by atheists and the very liberal) violate the first rule.
THey are the blind man sincerely saying to the sighted : I know beyond doubt that you can't see

 

[Grumblenuts]

Daily KOs for one.

Given this was debate, you just won.

 

[luiza]

Do attend to the first rule in a debate : There must be a shared FIRST PRINCIPLE.
You cannot hold a debate between someone who believes the external world is a dream and anyone else.
Or someone who says 'logic does not apply'

No .
The premiss must have the same literal understanding for both .
But its meaning does not need to be shared -- for that is the purpose of a discussion --- to examine areas of difference in terms of interpretation .

And Logic does not always apply .
Many believe that Logic is for the brain but not necessarily for the mind which has its own emotional and intuitive networks .
And though they are equally valid it is usually almost impossible to reconcile conclusions when the two parties are on different levels of spiritual enlightenment .
imho .