Zone1 Many Protestants think anyone who does not leave the Catholic Church is eternally damned!

[greenerpastures]

I have heard it said that a true Christian could never commit the unforgivable sin.

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Throughout His life, the Holy Spirit had borne testimony to who Jesus was and what He had come to do. Despite the irrefutable evidence thus provided, the Pharisees wilfully refused to accept the witness of the Holy Spirit. Instead of recognizing the Holy Spirit as being the source of Jesus’ power, and accepting Him as God’s Son, the Pharisees attributed His power to the devil. The Lord describes this, the grossest of all possible sins, as being ‘blasphemy against the Holy Ghost’, v. 31, and such is its seriousness that it can never be forgiven, neither in this age nor in the age to come.

It is not without significance that we do not read about this sin in any of the Epistles, nor is there any warning given concerning it. Taking that into account, and bearing in mind the context in which the Lord issued this extreme warning, I am convinced that this ‘unpardonable sin’ relates exclusively to the time when the Lord was on earth. As such, it is not possible to commit this sin today and, therefore, a Christian can never be guilty of doing so,

you were making sense up until this last part that I have read.

Jesus usually spoke to EVERYONE in EVERY generation. that is because Jesus is Truth Itself and He knew everyone had to understand His words of Truth. He spoke clearly enough for a child to understand.

That said, He established a CHURCH to help us understand the Way of Salvation. We cannot take the Bible out of the Context of the Church, as so many do.

Jesus spoke to everyone in every generation from His day forward when He spoke of this unforgivable sin. But there is NO need whatsoever to be afraid of committing that sin if you really seek to obey Jesus and honor Him with your life. The unforgivable sin in a few words is: REFUSING TO TURN From your sins and have them forgiven by Christ.

THAT is it. There is no complicated explanation. It stands to reason that if there is only ONE unforgivable sin, it is THAT. That is what the Catholic Churc has always taught. It is not specifically defined in Scripture alone.

 

[Batcat]

you were making sense up until this last part that I have read.

Jesus usually spoke to EVERYONE in EVERY generation. that is because Jesus is Truth Itself and He knew everyone had to understand His words of Truth. He spoke clearly enough for a child to understand.

That said, He established a CHURCH to help us understand the Way of Salvation. We cannot take the Bible out of the Context of the Church, as so many do.

Jesus spoke to everyone in every generation from His day forward when He spoke of this unforgivable sin. But there is NO need whatsoever to be afraid of committing that sin if you really seek to obey Jesus and honor Him with your life. The unforgivable sin in a few words is: REFUSING TO TURN From your sins and have them forgiven by Christ.

THAT is it. There is no complicated explanation. It stands to reason that if there is only ONE unforgivable sin, it is THAT. That is what the Catholic Churc has always taught. It is not specifically defined in Scripture alone.

You obviously have great faith in the Catholic Church. I am not Catholic but the one time I attended a Catholic service at the Basilica on Jackson’s Square in New Orleans I was impressed. The Priest raised hell with the lifestyle in the French Quarter.

My experience with Protestant churches is the preacher often ignores the real problems in the congregation and concentrates on problems which will not reduce the contributions. For example in a small town with few blacks I listened to the minister condemn racism. Practicing racism was not a mayor problem in his congregation.

When you say “The unforgivable sin in a few words is: REFUSING TO TURN from your sins and have them forgiven by Christ” I wonder if you are trying to say that a real Christian would never sin again.

I believe we sin everyday no matter how hard we try not to. The Holy Spirit works within us to improve us but it is not an overnight process. Obviously we should ask Jesus for forgiveness when we sin and try to avoid downing so again.

As I understand it Catholics have to confess their sins to a priest who is a middleman to reach Jesus. To me that has some major drawbacks.

Catholic Confession: A Short but Thorough Guide

Trying to rid yourself of sin or has it been a while? Check out this short but concise guide to going to confession!

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When a person commits a mortal sin after they are baptized, they have cut themselves off from God and His grace. If that person dies in a state of mortal sin, they will not spend eternity in Heaven with Jesus Christ.

You must confess to a priest because Christ gave the power to forgive sins to His apostles as mentioned above. James 5:16 says, Confess, therefore, your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be saved.” Jesus did not give the power to forgive sins to the apostles, as mentioned in Matthew 18, for them not to use this power.

Also apparently there is something called a “mortal sin.” I wondered if that the same as the one unforgivable sin I have been discussing? I also wondered how many mortal sins are there?

What Is a Mortal Sin According to the Catholic Church?

Mortal sins are an aspect of Catholicism; however, it is not biblical. It is the belief that certain sins lead to death if they meet certain criteria. If you are worried about mortal sins today, know that all sin can be forgiven by God.

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What Are Mortal Sins?​

Within Catholicism, there are two types of sins — venial sins and mortal sins. Venial sins are sins that are not as bad as mortal sins. According to Catholicism, venial sins do not break one’s friendship with God, yet mortal sins do break one’s relationship with God.

Mortal sins are rated as the worst types of sins and there are three conditions for a mortal sin. The three conditions include it being a grave matter, having the full knowledge that the action is a mortal sin, and the full consent or “freedom” to participate in the mortal sin (Ibid.).

In other words, in order for a mortal sin to not be defined as a mortal sin, it has to be done innocently, meaning that the one who committed the mortal sin did not know it was a mortal sin.

Examples of mortal sins according to Catholicism consist of:

• Idolatry, divination, magic, sorcery, sacrilege, atheism, blasphemy, perjury, failure to attend Mass;
• Murder, abortion, euthanasia, suicide, scandal, drug abuse, gluttony, alcohol abuse, terrorism, extreme anger, hatred, extortion, adultery, divorce, fornication, pornography, prostitution, rape, homosexual acts, incest, masturbation;
• Theft, cheating, defrauding a worker of his wages, unfair rages, taking advantage of the poor, false witness, adulation, lying, lust, avarice, envy;
• Voluntary doubt of faith, heresy, despair in hope, presumption, indifference, ingratitude, lukewarmness, acedia, and hatred of God (Ibid.).

Within the Catholic religion, those who commit these mortal sins will sever their relationship with God and the sin will ultimately end in death. Mortal sins can be forgiven according to Catholicism as long as the person participates in confession to a priest and lives in repentance. …emphasis added

All I can say is I am glad I am a protestant.

 

[Leo123]

Be careful in what you believe, it could be your destiny.

 

[notmyfault2020]

Be careful in what you believe, it could be your destiny.

so true. Nancy Pelosi believes in living for the world, serving Satan so I guess that's her destiny unless she repents. I don't see any sign of repentance happening any time soon.. but all things are possible with God.

 

[Ivan88]

It has been over 500 years since Martin Luther and followed by the 100 year war and the 30 years war against Germany and the protestors against Rome are still calling themselves protest ants. That is a statement of defeat., especially since almost all protest ant churches are little Romes who supported the murderous destruction of Heroic Germany for attempting to save Aryan Christian Israel Russia from Stalin and his murdering gangs.

 

[Batcat]

You obviously have great faith in the Catholic Church. I am not Catholic but the one time I attended a Catholic service at the Basilica on Jackson’s Square in New Orleans I was impressed. The Priest raised hell with the lifestyle in the French Quarter.

My experience with Protestant churches is the preacher often ignores the real problems in the congregation and concentrates on problems which will not reduce the contributions. For example in a small town with few blacks I listened to the minister condemn racism. Practicing racism was not a mayor problem in his congregation.

When you say “The unforgivable sin in a few words is: REFUSING TO TURN from your sins and have them forgiven by Christ” I wonder if you are trying to say that a real Christian would never sin again.

I believe we sin everyday no matter how hard we try not to. The Holy Spirit works within us to improve us but it is not an overnight process. Obviously we should ask Jesus for forgiveness when we sin and try to avoid downing so again.

As I understand it Catholics have to confess their sins to a priest who is a middleman to reach Jesus. To me that has some major drawbacks.

Catholic Confession: A Short but Thorough Guide

Trying to rid yourself of sin or has it been a while? Check out this short but concise guide to going to confession!

reverentcatholicmass.com

***snip***

When a person commits a mortal sin after they are baptized, they have cut themselves off from God and His grace. If that person dies in a state of mortal sin, they will not spend eternity in Heaven with Jesus Christ.

You must confess to a priest because Christ gave the power to forgive sins to His apostles as mentioned above. James 5:16 says, Confess, therefore, your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be saved.” Jesus did not give the power to forgive sins to the apostles, as mentioned in Matthew 18, for them not to use this power.

Also apparently there is something called a “mortal sin.” I wondered if that the same as the one unforgivable sin I have been discussing? I also wondered how many mortal sins are there?

What Is a Mortal Sin According to the Catholic Church?

Mortal sins are an aspect of Catholicism; however, it is not biblical. It is the belief that certain sins lead to death if they meet certain criteria. If you are worried about mortal sins today, know that all sin can be forgiven by God.

www.christianity.com

***snip***

What Are Mortal Sins?​

Within Catholicism, there are two types of sins — venial sins and mortal sins. Venial sins are sins that are not as bad as mortal sins. According to Catholicism, venial sins do not break one’s friendship with God, yet mortal sins do break one’s relationship with God.

Mortal sins are rated as the worst types of sins and there are three conditions for a mortal sin. The three conditions include it being a grave matter, having the full knowledge that the action is a mortal sin, and the full consent or “freedom” to participate in the mortal sin (Ibid.).

In other words, in order for a mortal sin to not be defined as a mortal sin, it has to be done innocently, meaning that the one who committed the mortal sin did not know it was a mortal sin.

Examples of mortal sins according to Catholicism consist of:

• • Idolatry, divination, magic, sorcery, sacrilege, atheism, blasphemy, perjury, failure to attend Mass;
  • Murder, abortion, euthanasia, suicide, scandal, drug abuse, gluttony, alcohol abuse, terrorism, extreme anger, hatred, extortion, adultery, divorce, fornication, pornography, prostitution, rape, homosexual acts, incest, masturbation;
  • Theft, cheating, defrauding a worker of his wages, unfair rages, taking advantage of the poor, false witness, adulation, lying, lust, avarice, envy;
  • Voluntary doubt of faith, heresy, despair in hope, presumption, indifference, ingratitude, lukewarmness, acedia, and hatred of God (Ibid.).

Within the Catholic religion, those who commit these mortal sins will sever their relationship with God and the sin will ultimately end in death. Mortal sins can be forgiven according to Catholicism as long as the person participates in confession to a priest and lives in repentance. …emphasis added

All I can say is I am glad I am a protestant.

Being a Protestant seems much simpler as we cut out the middle men, the priests and the Pope.

What happens if you have done your best to obey all the rules of the Catholic Church but commit a “mortal sin” and before you can confess it to a priest you get run over by a bus? Surely you would be forgiven by Jesus.

I sincerely believe good Catholics will go to heaven just as good Protestants. I have always wondered about other religions. Surely there are good Muslims and Buddhists. What happens to them?

I remember asking that question to a coworker who was a newbie in the Pentecostal religion. He told me Muslims and Buddhists were going straight to hell and I was too as I was not a Pentecostal. The guy then seemed to believe his mission in life was to get me to become a Pentecostal. Fortunately the guy worked in a different department at work but I had to alter my break times to avoid him.

 

[Meriweather]

What happens if you have done your best to obey all the rules of the Catholic Church but commit a “mortal sin” and before you can confess it to a priest you get run over by a bus? Surely you would be forgiven by Jesus.

Answered in second grade Catholicism. If one dies before confessing a moral sin depends on repentance, not confession. Christ will judge if this has occurred.

 

[Batcat]

Answered in second grade Catholicism. If one dies before confessing a moral sin depends on repentance, not confession. Christ will judge if this has occurred.

That sounds reasonable to me.

Is there a time limit on how long a person can wait until he makes a confession?

What about Protestants and good people in other religions?

 

[notmyfault2020]

Being a Protestant seems much simpler as we cut out the middle men, the priests and the Pope.

What happens if you have done your best to obey all the rules of the Catholic Church but commit a “mortal sin” and before you can confess it to a priest you get run over by a bus? Surely you would be forgiven by Jesus.

read this far.. Protestants are always learning and never able to cme to the knowlege of the Truth.. Truth thrown into the trash beginning in the 1500s with Luther.. They are always re-inventing the wheel. Then the 2nd Vatican Council essentially agreed w/ the malcontents and changed the Church to be more Protestant and we see the disastrous results. The world did not need another protestant church.. God knows there were plenty already by the 1960s.. Lutherans, methodists, JWs.. Latter Days.. and etc... etc.. 60,000 different denominations, i have heard.

Millions of Catholics left the Catholic Church.. Why bother with it when any old nonCatholic Chuch will do.. or even no church at all? So goes the logic (so called). But Christ established ONE Church, the Catholic Church and that historical fact will never change..

 

[Meriweather]

That sounds reasonable to me.

Is there a time limit on how long a person can wait until he makes a confession?

What about Protestants and good people in other religions?

Catholic practice would be a yearly confession, usually during the Lenten season before Easter. But no, no set time limit.

 

[Batcat]

Catholic practice would be a yearly confession, usually during the Lenten season before Easter. But no, no set time limit.

I would bet a person could rack up a long list of mortal sins in a year.

 

[Batcat]

read this far.. Protestants are always learning and never able to cme to the knowlege of the Truth.. Truth thrown into the trash beginning in the 1500s with Luther.. They are always re-inventing the wheel. Then the 2nd Vatican Council essentially agreed w/ the malcontents and changed the Church to be more Protestant and we see the disastrous results. The world did not need another protestant church.. God knows there were plenty already by the 1960s.. Lutherans, methodists, JWs.. Latter Days.. and etc... etc.. 60,000 different denominations, i have heard.

Millions of Catholics left the Catholic Church.. Why bother with it when any old nonCatholic Chuch will do.. or even no church at all? So goes the logic (so called). But Christ established ONE Church, the Catholic Church and that historical fact will never change..

That of course is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I see many things I like about the Catholic Church but many things I disagree with.

I personally am not all that impressed with large cathedrals or televangelists’ megachurches. They may be beautiful and impressive but are in my opinion often wasteful.

However I believe both Catholics and Protestants can make it to heaven through faith in Jesus.

 

[konradv]

I would bet a person could rack up a long list of mortal sins in a year.

There’s the volume discount.

 

[Batcat]

There’s the volume discount.

Excellent marketing.

 

[notmyfault2020]

I would bet a person could rack up a long list of mortal sins in a year.

I think plenty of people abstain from
fornication
adultery
abortion
adult murder
child molestation
masturbation
grand theft
treason

etc.... etc.. it's possible.

 

[JustAGuy1]

read this far.. Protestants are always learning and never able to cme to the knowlege of the Truth.. Truth thrown into the trash beginning in the 1500s with Luther.. They are always re-inventing the wheel. Then the 2nd Vatican Council essentially agreed w/ the malcontents and changed the Church to be more Protestant and we see the disastrous results. The world did not need another protestant church.. God knows there were plenty already by the 1960s.. Lutherans, methodists, JWs.. Latter Days.. and etc... etc.. 60,000 different denominations, i have heard.

Millions of Catholics left the Catholic Church.. Why bother with it when any old nonCatholic Chuch will do.. or even no church at all? So goes the logic (so called). But Christ established ONE Church, the Catholic Church and that historical fact will never change..

Huh, that means there was no Salvation until Constantine made it up.

 

[notmyfault2020]

That of course is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I see many things I like about the Catholic Church but many things I disagree with.

I personally am not all that impressed with large cathedrals or televangelists’ megachurches. They may be beautiful and impressive but are in my opinion often wasteful.

However I believe both Catholics and Protestants can make it to heaven through faith in Jesus.

It is not faith but grace that saves and grace comes from being IN Christ. I don't see how you can be in Christ if you have never once been in his tangible Presence found only in HIS Church (and some of them do not seem to have that either these days.. a new, troubling development. One time I went to a Church and did not feel His Presence.Then when the Holy Mass started, I felt it.. great. But I usually feel it long before then so something's going on.. God knows. It wasn't me because I was not in serious, unconfessed sin.

 

[notmyfault2020]

Huh, that means there was no Salvation until Constantine made it up.

it only means that to people who are uninformed/misinformed/ignorant

 

[Meriweather]

I would bet a person could rack up a long list of mortal sins in a year.

They would have to seriously work at mortal sin. Mortal sins are grave sins such as murder. Even then, one must be cognizant that s/he is planning to commit a sin that will separate them from God. Further, they must desire this separation from God.

 

[Batcat]

They would have to seriously work at mortal sin. Mortal sins are grave sins such as murder. Even then, one must be cognizant that s/he is planning to commit a sin that will separate them from God. Further, they must desire this separation from God.

I am not a Catholic but I found the concept of mortal sin interesting.

The research I did showed there are more mortal sins than what you suggest.

15 Mortal Sins Catholics Are Missing in Their Confessions

Part I: Why Do We Need Confession and What Is Mortal Sin? If you know Part I, you can skip to Part II. We are all born in original sin, meaning the status quo of even the cutest baby on earth before baptism has natural goodness but no supernatural goodness. Still, God has a plan

padreperegrino.org

A GENERAL LIST OF MORTAL SINS ALL CATHOLICS SHOULD KNOW.

A GENERAL LIST OF MORTAL SINS. What is mortal sin? List of mortal sins in Catholic Church. General list of mortal sins all Catholics should know.

catholicsstrivingforholiness.org