Merchan stands firm on hush money case.

[struth]

Voters said they DON’T CARE that Trump is a felon

Correct, and voters didn’t care that Mandela was either

Trump is America’s Mandela

 

[Curried Goats]

Nah it’s just racist when the court doesn’t agree with me.

If you say so....

 

[kyzr]

And if the appellate court upholds his conviction? Because I'm not the one who has a problem with court outcomes. Some of you only seem to agree with them when they go in your favor, signaling that your belief is derived from emotional investment rather than any intellectual faith in justice system.

Actually if the appellate courts uphold his convictions, that is that.
My belief is not from emotional investment, but on the legal expert opinions about the LAW.
Here is one law professor's take on the judge, charges, evidence, and instructions, any of which could overturn the convictions.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

 

[kyzr]

Voters said they DON’T CARE that Trump is a felon

True. Because those felonies were LAWFARE and will be overturned on appeal.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

 

[Curried Goats]

Actually if the appellate courts uphold his convictions, that is that.
My belief is not from emotional investment, but on the legal expert opinions about the LAW.
Here is one law professor's take on the judge, charges, evidence, and instructions, any of which could overturn the convictions.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

Oh, one whole law professor? Please, give me a list of all the fortune tellers you seek hope in. I'm sure I'll find it as funny as this. How about the judge who actually sat on the case? Do you acknowledge that as it currently stands Trump is a convict and sexual abuser according to separate judgments in courts of American law?

 

[Rawley]

Yes, they were going to try to have - in state court - testify that Cohen's action for which he was convicted in federal court weren't really crimes.

Yup, which as the "other" crime that Bragg had to prove

State courts don't get to rule on the validity of federal conviction

He wasn't convicted when Trump allegedly intended to cover up the "crime" that Cohen hadn't even yet allegedly committed.

 

[Lesh]

True. Because those felonies were LAWFARE and will be overturned on appeal.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

Tell yourself what you need to

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nope. It is Soviet LAWFARE BULLSHIT.
GFY

The Soviet aspect his different application of the law for the elites.

The rich and powerful get to commit espionage and as a result get elected President. Very soviet.

WW

 

[Frankenstein]

That comment indicates you are in need of a remedial reading comprehension course. What I asked was whether the poster knew if the NY appeals court is in the tank for Bone Spurs as the SC is.

Right, because what happened was electioneering, and you know it's dead on arrival in any non bias court!

 

[Frankenstein]

Tell yourself what you need to

He is right, and you know it, go bury your head in the sand, the next four years will not be kind to you, and your commie ilk

 

[SeaMajor7]

The Soviet aspect his different application of the law for the elites.

The rich and powerful get to commit espionage and as a result get elected President. Very soviet.

WW

Here, have a

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. Nope. Trump can donate his own money without limit, aka "free speech" via Citizens United decision. (link to your assertion if you have one defining what "mystery" crime (i.e. Cohen's) was covered up by Stormy's NDA)

Trump didn't donate his own money. Cohen used his money to pay for the NDA as an illegal campaign contribution.

Google it yourself. There are limits to individual campaign contributions which includes direct contributions, contributions in kinds and loans.

2. The FEC expert was not allowed to testify to the main question:
Was the payment made to porn star Stormy Daniels a campaign contribution?"

Correct, that determination had already been made by a Federal Court that Cohen's actions were campaign fraud. The state court can't make a different determination. The conviction is prima facia evidence the crime existed and was punished.

3. You can't charge Trump for a legitimate NDA as an illegal campaign contribution to cover up an illegal campaign contribution by Cohen.

Trump wasn't charged for the NDA.

Cohen made an illegal campaign contributions and Trump was invovled with the falisification of business records to cover Cohen's crime.

Again, Trump wasn't charged with making NDA payments.

Cohen plead guilty, so why pursue Trump for Cohen's crime?

Trump wasn't pursued for Cohen's crime.

Trump was charged with feloniouis falsification of business records - which is a different crime he did all on his own.

That makes no sense.

You're right but from the wrong perspective. You are ignoring the different commission of crimes to justify and clear Trump.

The crime being covered up had to be a Trump crime or it makes no sense, and there was no Trump crime.

No, the crime being covered up DID NOT have to be Trumps. One person can attempt to cover up the crime of another.

4. True, prosecuting criminals isn't a crime, but prosecutorial misconduct and election interference is.

There was no misconduct in attempting to prosecute a criminal.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Cohen's payment was recorded as "Lawyers fee". Where is the falsification in that?

Cohen's payment was invoiced as retainer for services over the period of time (January to December) the year AFTER as a coverup to hid that it was in fact a repayment of a campaign loan by Cohen.

Yes that was illegal. Did you watch and pay attention at trial? There was evidence submittedc in the handwritting of the CFO that it was in fact repayment of the load + plus expenses + taxing up + bonus for making the loan. Cohen wasn't working for the Trump Organization nor providing any services during the period the checks were issued.

So, ya, the invoices were falsification of records that was part of the planned conspiracy.

WW
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[Independent thinker]

Judge Denies Trump’s Bid to Throw Out Conviction Over Immunity Ruling​

A judge on Monday rejected Donald J. Trump’s argument that a recent Supreme Court ruling had nullified his criminal case in New York, upholding the former and future president’s felony conviction for falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal.

The judge’s ruling preserves, at least for now, the stain of Mr. Trump’s criminal conviction. And if it withstands Mr. Trump’s appeal, it will make him the first felon to serve as president.

The ruling, which addressed the Supreme Court’s decision to grant presidents broad immunity for their official actions, thwarted only the first of several legal maneuvers Mr. Trump has concocted to clear his record of 34 felonies before returning to the White House.

Prosecutors had argued that the Supreme Court’s decision had “no bearing on this prosecution,” noting that Mr. Trump was convicted of orchestrating a scheme involving a personal and political crisis that predated his presidency.

Judge Denies Trump’s Bid to Throw Out Conviction Over Immunity Ruling

Justice Juan M. Merchan thwarted one of several attempts by Donald J. Trump to clear his record of 34 felonies before returning to the White House.

www.nytimes.com

All most of us want is accountability for crimes committed.

The guy is a schill for the left. It would be like the right defending Clarence Thomas for a decision and you would get all bent out of shape.

 

[kyzr]

Oh, one whole law professor? Please, give me a list of all the fortune tellers you seek hope in. I'm sure I'll find it as funny as this. How about the judge who actually sat on the case? Do you acknowledge that as it currently stands Trump is a convict and sexual abuser according to separate judgments in courts of American law?

1. One legal expert opinion should be confirmed by the appellate courts. If not, Trump goes to prison for Lawfare, just like in a Banana Republic, AFTER HIS 4-YEARS AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

2. The judge who actually sat in on the case is a political hack:
"Acting Supreme Court justice Juan Merchan was handpicked for this case rather than randomly selected. This is only the latest in a litany of Trump cases where Merchan has meted out tough rulings against Trump and his organization. With any other defendant, there would likely be outrage over his selection. Merchan donated to President Biden. Even though the state bar cleared that violation based on the small size of the contribution, it later stressed that no such contributions were appropriate for a judge. We learned later that Merchan has contributed to a group to stop the GOP and Trump. Merchan’s daughter is also a Democratic organizer who has helped raise millions against Trump and the GOP and for the Democrats.
To his credit, CNN legal analyst Elie Honig has previously said that this case was legally dubious, uniquely targeted Trump and could not succeed outside of an anti-Trump district. On the judge, he recently challenged critics on the fairness of assigning a Biden donor who has earmarked donations for “resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy.” He asked “Would folks have been just fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to “Re-elect Donald Trump, MAGA forever!”? “Absolutely not.”
What is equally disturbing is the failure of Merchan to protect the rights of the defendant and what even critics admit were distinctly pro-prosecution rulings in the trial. It is not just the appearance of a conflict with Judge Merchan but a record of highly biased decisions. In watching Merchan in the courtroom, I was shocked by his rulings as at times incomprehensible and conflicted."

3. Trump is a convict, but the convictions are subject to appeal. So the convictions may not stand. We'll see after the appeal processes conclude.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yup, which as the "other" crime that Bragg had to prove

Bragg didn't have to "prove" Cohen's federal conviction. It was entered into the court record and was prima facia evidence that Cohen had committed the crimes he was charged and convicted of.

WW

 

[Curried Goats]

1. One legal expert opinion should be confirmed by the appellate courts. If not, Trump goes to prison for Lawfare, just like in a Banana Republic, AFTER HIS 4-YEARS AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

People go to prison all the time while waiting appeal, what about him being President makes him special?

2. The judge who actually sat in on the case is a political hack:
"Acting Supreme Court justice Juan Merchan was handpicked for this case rather than randomly selected. This is only the latest in a litany of Trump cases where Merchan has meted out tough rulings against Trump and his organization. With any other defendant, there would likely be outrage over his selection. Merchan donated to President Biden. Even though the state bar cleared that violation based on the small size of the contribution, it later stressed that no such contributions were appropriate for a judge. We learned later that Merchan has contributed to a group to stop the GOP and Trump. Merchan’s daughter is also a Democratic organizer who has helped raise millions against Trump and the GOP and for the Democrats.
To his credit, CNN legal analyst Elie Honig has previously said that this case was legally dubious, uniquely targeted Trump and could not succeed outside of an anti-Trump district. On the judge, he recently challenged critics on the fairness of assigning a Biden donor who has earmarked donations for “resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy.” He asked “Would folks have been just fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to “Re-elect Donald Trump, MAGA forever!”? “Absolutely not.”
What is equally disturbing is the failure of Merchan to protect the rights of the defendant and what even critics admit were distinctly pro-prosecution rulings in the trial. It is not just the appearance of a conflict with Judge Merchan but a record of highly biased decisions. In watching Merchan in the courtroom, I was shocked by his rulings as at times incomprehensible and conflicted."

I didn't ask you for excuses or your personal feelings about the judge, I asked you if you acknowledged that as it stands Trump is a convict and sex abuser.

3. Trump is a convict, but the convictions are subject to appeal. So the convictions may not stand. We'll see after the appeal processes conclude.

Every criminals conviction is subject to appeal. You're just describing another day ending in Y.

 

[kyzr]

Trump didn't donate his own money. Cohen used his money to pay for the NDA as an illegal campaign contribution.
Google it yourself. There are limits to individual campaign contributions which includes direct contributions, contributions in kinds and loans.

Correct, that determination had already been made by a Federal Court that Cohen's actions were campaign fraud. The state court can't make a different determination. The conviction is prima-facia evidence the crime existed and was punished.

Trump wasn't charged for the NDA.
Cohen made an illegal campaign contributions and Trump was involved with the falsification of business records to cover Cohen's crime.
Again, Trump wasn't charged with making NDA payments.

Trump wasn't pursued for Cohen's crime. Trump was charged with felonious falsification of business records - which is a different crime he did all on his own.

You're right but from the wrong perspective. You are ignoring the different commission of crimes to justify and clear Trump.

No, the crime being covered up DID NOT have to be Trumps. One person can attempt to cover up the crime of another.

There was no misconduct in attempting to prosecute a criminal. WW

1. The perfectly legal NDA itself should not have been considered a "campaign contribution". That NDA could have been considered protection for his marriage and/or reputation. Saying voters would consider Trump having sex with a porn star as surprising is hilarious. It was NOT a campaign contribution, so said the FEC who investigated the matter.

2. Cohen's crime was not Trump's crime. Stormy's NDA had nothing to do with covering up Cohen's illegal campaign contribution. How can paying Stormy be called covering up paying Stormy?

3. Trump falsified business records? As Turley explains it"
"Even when closing arguments were given, analysts on various networks admitted that they were unclear about what Bragg was alleging. The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of"

4. If the democrats can use Lawfare, the Republicans can use Lawfare. Prosecutorial Misconduct and/or Election Interference are plausible charges.

 

[Rawley]

Bragg didn't have to "prove" Cohen's federal conviction. It was entered into the court record and was prima facia evidence that Cohen had committed the crimes he was charged and convicted of.

WW

LOL GOod luck with that on appeal

 

[kyzr]

People go to prison all the time while waiting appeal, what about him being President makes him special?

I didn't ask you for excuses or your personal feelings about the judge, I asked you if you acknowledged that as it stands Trump is a convict and sex abuser. Every criminals conviction is subject to appeal. You're just describing another day ending in Y.

1. The U.S. Constitution and his office as President. Besides, why doesn't Merchan sentence Trump so the appeal process can start, he knows the bullshit convictions will be overturned?

2. Those aren't my personal critiques of the judge, those were the legalities he violated.