MLB reinstates Pete Rose and others, paving way for Hall of Fame consideration

[StatesRightsForever]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

Pete Rose and “Shoeless” Joe Jackson are no longer official baseball pariahs. In a seismic decision that will alter the legacies of more than a dozen disgraced baseball heroes, Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred announced Tuesday that players punished with permanent ineligibility will be reinstated after their deaths. Players on MLB’s permanently ineligible list are banned from entry into the Baseball Hall of Fame, but Rose, baseball’s all-time hits leader who died last year at 83, will now be eligible for inclusion for the first time.

“In my view, once an individual has passed away, the purposes of Rule 21 have been served. Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game. Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.”

MSN

 

[1srelluc]

Seems fair enough.

 

[22lcidw]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

MSN

Pete was not angelic. He was a winner though. A competitor. Moreso than any of the players who used steroids known and unknown. He taught people how to win. I would think in today's world making 35 million dollars a year it may be different.

 

[Meathead]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

MSN

Yeah, Charlie Hustle belongs in the HOF for his playing career not his managerial.

 

[pknopp]

Interesting he did this. I always thought Jackson should have been in. Pretty impressive stats for supposedly throwing a series.

 

[Harry Dresden]

petes numbers speak for themselves....i hope the guy gets in....

 

[Meathead]

Interesting he did this. I always thought Jackson should have been in. Pretty impressive stats for supposedly throwing a series.

Not sure about Shoeless. He was in on it even though he played well in the WS. Still, even though he did, he could have and still be paid off.

A large part of that falls on the owners and their greed.

 

[BackAgain]

Pete SHOULD NOT have ever gambled anything on baseball.

Baseball is now sponsored heavily by sports book entities. So, at this point, absent a shred of evidence that he ever lifted a finger to lose a game or even to shaVE a score, it is absurd that a player with his storied history in baseball be excluded from the HOF.

 

[Meathead]

Pete SHOULD NOT have ever gambled anything on baseball.

Baseball is now sponsored heavily by sports book entities. So, at this point, absent a shred of evidence that he ever lifted a finger to lose a game or even to shaVE a score, it is absurd that a player with his storied history in baseball be excluded from the HOF.

While I agree, ya gotta admit that as manager there would be ways he could compromise his team's chances of winning or losing.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Records Held​

• Games, career, organized baseball, 3,916
• Games, career, 3,562
• Games, switch hitter, career, 3,562
• At bats, career, 14,053
• At bats, switch hitter, career, 14,053
• Hits, career, organized baseball, 4,683
• Hits, career, 4,256
• Hits, switch hitter, career, 4,256
• Hits, switch hitter, season, 230, 1973 (tied)
• Runs, switch hitter, career, 2,165
• Singles, career, 3,215
• Singles, switch hitter, career, 3,215
• Doubles, switch hitter, career, 746
• Outs, career, 10,328
• Outs, switch hitter, career, 10,328
• Plate appearances, career, 15,890
• Plate appearances, switch hitter, career, 15,890
• Times reached base, career, 5,929
• Times reached base, switch hitter, career, 5,929
• Total bases, switch hitter, career, 5,727
• Seasons with 150 or more games, 17
• Seasons with 100 or more games, 23 (consecutive)
• Seasons with 200 or more hits, 10 (tied with Ichiro Suzuki)

Notable Achievements​

• 1963 NL Rookie of the Year Award
• 1963 Topps All-Star Rookie Team
• 17-time NL All-Star (1965, 1967-1971, 1973-1982 & 1985)
• NL MVP: 1973
• 1975 World Series MVP
• 2-time NL Gold Glove Winner (1969/OF & 1970/OF)
• NL Silver Slugger Award Winner (1981/1B)
• 3-time NL Batting Average Leader (1968, 1969 & 1973)
• 2-time NL On-Base Percentage Leader (1968 & 1979)
• 4-time NL At-Bats Leader (1965, 1972, 1973 & 1977)
• 4-time NL Runs Scored Leader (1969, 1974, 1975 & 1976)
• 7-time NL Hits Leader (1965, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1976 & 1981)
• 3-time NL Singles Leader (1973, 1979 & 1981)
• 5-time NL Doubles Leader (1974, 1975, 1976, 1978 & 1980)
• 100 Runs Scored Seasons: 10 (1963, 1965, 1969, 1970, 1972-1976 & 1978)
• 200 Hits Seasons: 10 (1965, 1966, 1968-1970, 1973, 1975-1977 & 1979)
• Won three World Series with the Cincinnati Reds (1975 & 1976) and the Philadelphia Phillies (1980)

 

[pknopp]

Not sure about Shoeless. He was in on it even though he played well in the WS. Still, even though he did, he could have and still be paid off.

A large part of that falls on the owners and their greed.

I could see back then taking the money and then not trying to lose.

 

[Fang]

Can't watch sports now without the constant ads for betting. Betting and sports now go hand in hand. Pete should have been reinstated before he passed away.

 

[Meathead]

I could see back then taking the money and then not trying to lose.

I can see doing your best knowing that the others (6 I think) would guarantee loss.

 

[whitehall]

They banned Pete Rose from the baseball HOF for gambling? What if they banned musicians from the Rock&Roll HOF for drug use? It would be one big empty hall.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

petes numbers speak for themselves....i hope the guy gets in....

Pete's numbers are not that great. A good but not great hitter and an OK fielder. Nowhere near as good as other players from that era like mays and bench and schmidt.

 

[BackAgain]

While I agree, ya gotta admit that as manager there would be ways he could compromise his team's chances of winning or losing.

What he might have been able to do, though, is not the same as what he did engage in. So, absent pretty solid evidence (ie, any evidence), I see no problem with them placing him in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Meathead]

They banned Pete Rose from the baseball HOF for gambling? What if they banned musicians from the Rock&Roll HOF for drug use? It would be one big empty hall.

Ain't the same. Stupid equivalency.

Pete's numbers are not that great. A good but not great hitter and an OK fielder. Nowhere near as good as other players from that era like mays and bench and schmidt.

When you're able to play for as long as he did, with as much passion as he did and compile unmatched numbers as he did, that's bullshit.

 

[Rocko]

I don’t believe he should have gotten in, but doing it now that he’s taking a dirt nap reeks of too little too late.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Pete's numbers are not that great. A good but not great hitter and an OK fielder. Nowhere near as good as other players from that era like mays and bench and schmidt.

their not?.....do you know about baseball?...

• Games, career, organized baseball, 3,916
• Games, career, 3,562
• Games, switch hitter, career, 3,562
• At bats, career, 14,053
• At bats, switch hitter, career, 14,053
• Hits, career, organized baseball, 4,683
• Hits, career, 4,256
• Hits, switch hitter, career, 4,256
• Hits, switch hitter, season, 230, 1973 (tied)
• Runs, switch hitter, career, 2,165
• Singles, career, 3,215
• Singles, switch hitter, career, 3,215
• Doubles, switch hitter, career, 746
• Outs, career, 10,328
• Outs, switch hitter, career, 10,328
• Plate appearances, career, 15,890
• Plate appearances, switch hitter, career, 15,890
• Times reached base, career, 5,929
• Times reached base, switch hitter, career, 5,929
• Total bases, switch hitter, career, 5,727
• Seasons with 150 or more games, 17
• Seasons with 100 or more games, 23 (consecutive)
• Seasons with 200 or more hits, 10 (tied with Ichiro Suzuki)

• 1963 NL Rookie of the Year Award
• 1963 Topps All-Star Rookie Team
• 17-time NL All-Star (1965, 1967-1971, 1973-1982 & 1985)
• NL MVP: 1973
• 1975 World Series MVP
• 2-time NL Gold Glove Winner (1969/OF & 1970/OF)
• NL Silver Slugger Award Winner (1981/1B)
• 3-time NL Batting Average Leader (1968, 1969 & 1973)
• 2-time NL On-Base Percentage Leader (1968 & 1979)
• 4-time NL At-Bats Leader (1965, 1972, 1973 & 1977)
• 4-time NL Runs Scored Leader (1969, 1974, 1975 & 1976)
• 7-time NL Hits Leader (1965, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1976 & 1981)
• 3-time NL Singles Leader (1973, 1979 & 1981)
• 5-time NL Doubles Leader (1974, 1975, 1976, 1978 & 1980)
• 100 Runs Scored Seasons: 10 (1963, 1965, 1969, 1970, 1972-1976 & 1978)
• 200 Hits Seasons: 10 (1965, 1966, 1968-1970, 1973, 1975-1977 & 1979)
• Won three World Series with the Cincinnati Reds (1975 & 1976) and the Philadelphia Phillies (1980)

 

[Godboy]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

MSN

Pete is a competitor. He isnt going to throw games. Not to mention, its already hard as fuck to keep that job if youre trying as hard as you can to win, let alone if youre throwing games intentionally.