Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?

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All the candidates at the recent debate, presented conservative ideas in one form or another, some more than others. And their past records indicate varying degrees of conservatism.

Keep in mind that conservatism is the philosophy that ordinary citizens will do better if left to make their own decisions, make their own mistakes, take responsibility for the consequences, help their fellow men, learn how to do better, and generally be responsible for themselves. It is a philosophy that holds government to relatively minor roles: Mostly keeping others from interfering with citizens' rights, setting standards to help them interact, and otherwise leaving them alone.

Though all the recent debaters espoused conservatism, and some have actual records of supporting it, that is not the only important requirement, and might not even be the most important.

The most important thing we should look for in our next President is: Will he be able to get his conservative ideas enacted into LAW?

No conservative President has ever been perfect, an none ever will be. Some have been better at this than others. Reagan got three of this four major objectives enacted: Cutting taxes (and indexing them to inflation to prevent automatic increases), rebuilding the military, and defeating the Soviet Union. He failed at his fourth major objective, balancing the budget, basically compromising it away to get his other three passed when a Democrat Congress passed massive spending and told him to sign it or lose everything.

Fast forward to 2015 and 1026. All the candidates talk the talk. But of the present candidates, which will be most able to get conservative ideas enacted into law?

It doesn't make much sense to go around agreeing that Candidate A is more conservative than Candidate B, or even that Candidate C has better ideas than Candidate D. If candidates A and C are unable to work with (or against) a Congress and get his ideas enacted, who cares how good his ideas were?

(Liberals, of course, will try to derail this thread by screaming that conservatism is awful, terrible, heartless, and the rest of their usual lies and talking points.)

We need to evaluate, not just which candidate is more conservative, but which one will get conservatism enacted into law, possibly in the fact of a future hostile Congress as Reagan did.

For this reason, I hesitate over candidates such as Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Donald Trump, Lindsay Graham, and Carly Fiorina. They have little or no experience working with a Congress they have no hold over, and/or have shown far too much tendency to go-along-to-get-along (Graham). No matter how conservative they may be, they may prove unable to get their conservatism into law... meaning, a not-so-conservative Congress may run roughshod over them.

This standard catapults candidates such as Scott Walker to the fore. He has worked with (or found ways to force) a hostile legislature to pass what he wanted, and has found ways to be re-elected time and again, and gain the voters' favors, in the face of massive disinformation campaigns from liberals.

No candidate here is perfect, clearly.

But which will be able, if elected, to enact the most conservative ideas into law?
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
Don't listen to this lying idiot who says the pc police is a myth, then runs away when I bring up Howard and Jimmy the Greek.

But probably only one that could do it at that's kaish but he won't be the nominee.
 
(the usual blather and diversion)
Don't listen to this lying idiot
Nobody does. I predicted that liberals would desperately chime in, call names, and run thru their usual diversions and fibs.

Back to the subject:
Every bit as important as the candidates claiming conservatism, is the question of whether they can (or will) actually put it into law.

Unfortunately, the list of the ones who can put their ideas into law, doesn't always correspond with the ones who have the best ideas. It takes political skill to really make an impact, and not all of them have it, no matter how good their ideas may be.

So, which ones will actually put conservative ideas into LAW?

That is who we should put in the White House.
 
It's a good question.
Scott Walker has a proven history of working to get an agenda enacted. This is why he is probably my first choice.
Rick Perry ditto. Maybe Marco Rubio.
At the bottom of the heap:
Trump
Fiorina
Carson
Anybody who hasnt been elected to an office.
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
No actually the problems come from liberals, who fail and then blame everyone else. Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:
Government dependence, thanks to Johnson's Great Society programs
Diminished manufacturing. Thanks to EPA and OSHA regulations along with unbridled lawsuits
Large scale unemployment in minority communities. Thanks to liberals raising the min wage, which prices low skilled workers out of the job market
Zooming college costs. Thanks to government loan programs for students regarldess of future earning potential
Zooming healthcare costs. Thanks to Medicare/Medicaid substandard disrbursements, tax breaks for companies providing health insurance, and of course malpractice awards out of proportion.
Faltering entrepreneurial activity. Due to higher taxes and hostile regulatory environment of the Obama Administration.
Anything else?
 
Jeb's family has a history of RINOism, which puts him on the bottom of the heap for me. He'd be better than any Democrat, but carries a risk of signing more entitlements or gun control legislation.

What candidates have a record of signing conservative legislation into law?
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
No actually the problems come from liberals, who fail and then blame everyone else. Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:
Government dependence, thanks to Johnson's Great Society programs
Diminished manufacturing. Thanks to EPA and OSHA regulations along with unbridled lawsuits
Large scale unemployment in minority communities. Thanks to liberals raising the min wage, which prices low skilled workers out of the job market
Zooming college costs. Thanks to government loan programs for students regarldess of future earning potential
Zooming healthcare costs. Thanks to Medicare/Medicaid substandard disrbursements, tax breaks for companies providing health insurance, and of course malpractice awards out of proportion.
Faltering entrepreneurial activity. Due to higher taxes and hostile regulatory environment of the Obama Administration.
Anything else?
"Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:"
Hysterical.
 
All the candidates at the recent debate, presented conservative ideas in one form or another, some more than others. And their past records indicate varying degrees of conservatism.

Keep in mind that conservatism is the philosophy that ordinary citizens will do better if left to make their own decisions, make their own mistakes, take responsibility for the consequences, help their fellow men, learn how to do better, and generally be responsible for themselves. It is a philosophy that holds government to relatively minor roles: Mostly keeping others from interfering with citizens' rights, setting standards to help them interact, and otherwise leaving them alone.

Though all the recent debaters espoused conservatism, and some have actual records of supporting it, that is not the only important requirement, and might not even be the most important.

The most important thing we should look for in our next President is: Will he be able to get his conservative ideas enacted into LAW?

No conservative President has ever been perfect, an none ever will be. Some have been better at this than others. Reagan got three of this four major objectives enacted: Cutting taxes (and indexing them to inflation to prevent automatic increases), rebuilding the military, and defeating the Soviet Union. He failed at his fourth major objective, balancing the budget, basically compromising it away to get his other three passed when a Democrat Congress passed massive spending and told him to sign it or lose everything.

Fast forward to 2015 and 1026. All the candidates talk the talk. But of the present candidates, which will be most able to get conservative ideas enacted into law?

It doesn't make much sense to go around agreeing that Candidate A is more conservative than Candidate B, or even that Candidate C has better ideas than Candidate D. If candidates A and C are unable to work with (or against) a Congress and get his ideas enacted, who cares how good his ideas were?

(Liberals, of course, will try to derail this thread by screaming that conservatism is awful, terrible, heartless, and the rest of their usual lies and talking points.)

We need to evaluate, not just which candidate is more conservative, but which one will get conservatism enacted into law, possibly in the fact of a future hostile Congress as Reagan did.

For this reason, I hesitate over candidates such as Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Donald Trump, Lindsay Graham, and Carly Fiorina. They have little or no experience working with a Congress they have no hold over, and/or have shown far too much tendency to go-along-to-get-along (Graham). No matter how conservative they may be, they may prove unable to get their conservatism into law... meaning, a not-so-conservative Congress may run roughshod over them.

This standard catapults candidates such as Scott Walker to the fore. He has worked with (or found ways to force) a hostile legislature to pass what he wanted, and has found ways to be re-elected time and again, and gain the voters' favors, in the face of massive disinformation campaigns from liberals.

No candidate here is perfect, clearly.

But which will be able, if elected, to enact the most conservative ideas into law?
Walker and Kasich both come from blue states and were able to get their own bills passed. I would say these two. It's still early and there should be ample time for the public to know them, It would be nice to have Kasich deliver Ohio in the General Election, too.
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
No actually the problems come from liberals, who fail and then blame everyone else. Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:
Government dependence, thanks to Johnson's Great Society programs
Diminished manufacturing. Thanks to EPA and OSHA regulations along with unbridled lawsuits
Large scale unemployment in minority communities. Thanks to liberals raising the min wage, which prices low skilled workers out of the job market
Zooming college costs. Thanks to government loan programs for students regarldess of future earning potential
Zooming healthcare costs. Thanks to Medicare/Medicaid substandard disrbursements, tax breaks for companies providing health insurance, and of course malpractice awards out of proportion.
Faltering entrepreneurial activity. Due to higher taxes and hostile regulatory environment of the Obama Administration.
Anything else?
"Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:"
Hysterical.
Thanks for acknowledging I am correct.
next.
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
No actually the problems come from liberals, who fail and then blame everyone else. Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:
Government dependence, thanks to Johnson's Great Society programs
Diminished manufacturing. Thanks to EPA and OSHA regulations along with unbridled lawsuits
Large scale unemployment in minority communities. Thanks to liberals raising the min wage, which prices low skilled workers out of the job market
Zooming college costs. Thanks to government loan programs for students regarldess of future earning potential
Zooming healthcare costs. Thanks to Medicare/Medicaid substandard disrbursements, tax breaks for companies providing health insurance, and of course malpractice awards out of proportion.
Faltering entrepreneurial activity. Due to higher taxes and hostile regulatory environment of the Obama Administration.
Anything else?
"Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:"
Hysterical.
Thanks for acknowledging I am correct.
next.
The right wing bubble grows larger and larger, soon liberals will be blamed for invading Iraq.
 
"Most important concern: Which candidate can get conservatives ideas enacted into LAW?"

Agreed – where such a candidate needs to be opposed and defeated at all costs; the last thing America needs is failed, errant conservative dogma enacted into law.

Indeed, much of America's problems are the consequence of that failed, errant dogma.
No actually the problems come from liberals, who fail and then blame everyone else. Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:
Government dependence, thanks to Johnson's Great Society programs
Diminished manufacturing. Thanks to EPA and OSHA regulations along with unbridled lawsuits
Large scale unemployment in minority communities. Thanks to liberals raising the min wage, which prices low skilled workers out of the job market
Zooming college costs. Thanks to government loan programs for students regarldess of future earning potential
Zooming healthcare costs. Thanks to Medicare/Medicaid substandard disrbursements, tax breaks for companies providing health insurance, and of course malpractice awards out of proportion.
Faltering entrepreneurial activity. Due to higher taxes and hostile regulatory environment of the Obama Administration.
Anything else?
"Actually every problem we have is due to liberals:"
Hysterical.
Thanks for acknowledging I am correct.
next.
The right wing bubble grows larger and larger, soon liberals will be blamed for invading Iraq.
There is no need for you to double down in admitting I am correct. You have failed to provide a single item of refutation. Adding irrelevant claims to prove that I am right is not helping you here.
 
This thread is based on the fallacy that America will elect a republican into the white house. It won't happen. They all want to kill the nuke treaty with Iran and eventually invade Iran. This is pure insanity and America will not allow it to happen. The GOP vetting process is a waste of time. It is an exercise in futility as it exposes the true radical war mongering nature of republicans that have every one of them tied in with the military industrial complex.

Bush exposed the stupidity that is the republican platform in it's god, guns and gays focus. George burnt all the bridges. There won't be a republican in the white house for a very long time if ever in my lifetime.
 
I'll believe the person is a real conservative when they get woman to go back to being house wife's.
It's always a hoot to watch the desperate leftists keep pretending their lies and stereotypes are reality.

Back to the subject:
Every bit as important as the candidates claiming conservatism, is the question of whether they can (or will) actually put it into law.

Unfortunately, the list of the ones who can put their ideas into law, doesn't always correspond with the ones who have the best ideas. It takes political skill to really make an impact, and not all of them have it, no matter how good their ideas may be.

So, which ones will actually put conservative ideas into LAW?

That is who we should put in the White House.
 
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I'll believe the person is a real conservative when they get woman to go back to being house wife's.
It's always a hoot to watch the desperate leftists keep pretending heir lies and stereotypes are realiy.

Back to the subject:
Every bit as important as the candidates claiming conservatism, is the question of whether they can (or will) actually put it into law.

Unfortunately, the list of the ones who can put their ideas into law, doesn't always correspond with the ones who have the best ideas. It takes political skill to really make an impact, and not all of them have it, no matter how good their ideas may be.

So, which ones will actually put conservative ideas into LAW?

That is who we should put in the White House.

What conservative ideas? Kicking gays out of the military? Banning all abortion? Ending Medicare?
 

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