MSNBC: NRA "in the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes"

[Truthmatters]

people who hate this countrys government are not patriots

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks for re-posting that. It was one of my better posts.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/183977-the-reason-democracy-sucks.html


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The Reason Democracy sucks

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Why Bad Men Rule by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

One of the most widely accepted propositions among political economists is the following: Every monopoly is bad from the viewpoint of consumers. Monopoly is understood in its classical sense to be an exclusive privilege granted to a single producer of a commodity or service, i.e., as the absence of free entry into a particular line of production. In other words, only one agency, A, may produce a given good, x. Any such monopolist is bad for consumers because, shielded from potential new entrants into his area of production, the price of the monopolist's product x will be higher and the quality of x lower than otherwise.

This elementary truth has frequently been invoked as an argument in favor of democratic government as opposed to classical, monarchical or princely government. This is because under democracy entry into the governmental apparatus is free — anyone can become prime minister or president — whereas under monarchy it is restricted to the king and his heir.

However, this argument in favor of democracy is fatally flawed. Free entry is not always good. Free entry and competition in the production of goods is good, but free competition in the production of bads is not. Free entry into the business of torturing and killing innocents, or free competition in counterfeiting or swindling, for instance, is not good; it is worse than bad. So what sort of "business" is government? Answer: it is not a customary producer of goods sold to voluntary consumers. Rather, it is a "business" engaged in theft and expropriation — by means of taxes and counterfeiting — and the fencing of stolen goods. Hence, free entry into government does not improve something good. Indeed, it makes matters worse than bad, i.e., it improves evil.

 

[bripat9643]

people who hate this countrys government are not patriots

Wrong. Hating the government and hating the country are two separate things. The men who tried to assassinate Hitler were some of the most dedicated patriots in Germany.

On the other hand, Stalinists love boot licking toadies like you.

 

[tjvh]

I've never heard of black powder making white smoke.

 

[eflatminor]

Thanks for re-posting that. It was one of my better posts

It was a good one...

Of course, it had noting to do with the topic of this thread. Apparently, someone's into the bowl of paint chips and vodka early this morning.

Can you smell it?

 

[Synthaholic]

MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell made the case this evening that the National Rifle Association is to blame for the slow investigation into the Boston bombings:

"There are new developments tonight in the bombing investigation here in Boston," said O'Donnell. "But that investigation could be moving faster were it not for the successful lobbying efforts of the National Rifle Association. The NRA's efforts to guarantee that American mass murderers are the best-equipped mass murders in the world is not limited to murderers who use assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. The NRA is also in the business of helping bombers get away with their crimes. Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."

MSNBC: NRA 'in the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes' | The Weekly Standard

There is nothing that O'Donnell said that is false.

It must suck being you!

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks for re-posting that. It was one of my better posts

It was a good one...

Of course, it had noting to do with the topic of this thread. Apparently, someone's into the bowl of paint chips and vodka early this morning.

Can you smell it?

TM appears to be stalking me. Apparently she thinks I'm supposed to be embarrassed over saying derogatory things about democracy

 

[Black_Label]

I've never heard of black powder making white smoke.

black powder always makes white smoke.

 

[Katzndogz]

If nothing else, the Boston Bombing served the purpose of graphically illustrating how the nation can no longer come together, not in times of tragedy, not for any reason. We are no longer the same people we were 12 years ago.

 

[eflatminor]

I've never heard of black powder making white smoke.

Add that to the long list of shit you don't know about firearms.

black powder rifles white smoke - Bing Videos

 

[mamooth]

If nothing else, the Boston Bombing served the purpose of graphically illustrating how the nation can no longer come together, not in times of tragedy, not for any reason. We are no longer the same people we were 12 years ago.

Who's this "we", kemosabe?

All I see here is _you_ using the tragedy to imply that President Obama orchestrated the bombing for political gain. Just because _you_ have now sworn loyalty to party over country, don't assume the rest of the nation thinks like you.

 

[eflatminor]

There is nothing that O'Donnell said that is false.

Well, let's see about that.

"There are new developments tonight in the bombing investigation here in Boston," said O'Donnell. "But that investigation could be moving faster were it not for the successful lobbying efforts of the National Rifle Association. The NRA's efforts to guarantee that American mass murderers are the best-equipped mass murders in the world is not limited to murderers who use assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. The NRA is also in the business of helping bombers get away with their crimes.

False. The NRA is on record in support of finding a way to mark powder with identifiers.

Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder.

False. The National Academy of Sciences studied the idea of adding taggants to powder and found that found "no taggant system to be technically feasible for use in black and smokeless powders". They recommended against pursuing markers in gun powders.

But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives.

False. The NRA supported a proposal to amend the law in such a way to require taggants in powder, assuming it was technically feasible, which the NAS found was not the case. The NRA remains on record in support of "examining all technologies that allow explosives to be detected before a terrorist or criminal explodes his bomb in addition to those that will identify the explosive after a blast"

The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation.

False. The NRA blocked nothing. They supported the idea. The reality of what is scientifically possible blocked the requirement.

Now, you were saying something about sucking...

 

[eflatminor]

If nothing else, the Boston Bombing served the purpose of graphically illustrating how the nation can no longer come together, not in times of tragedy, not for any reason. We are no longer the same people we were 12 years ago.

Who's this "we", kemosabe?

All I see here is _you_ using the tragedy to imply that President Obama orchestrated the bombing for political gain.

 

[Synthaholic]

There is nothing that O'Donnell said that is false.

Well, let's see about that.

"There are new developments tonight in the bombing investigation here in Boston," said O'Donnell. "But that investigation could be moving faster were it not for the successful lobbying efforts of the National Rifle Association. The NRA's efforts to guarantee that American mass murderers are the best-equipped mass murders in the world is not limited to murderers who use assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. The NRA is also in the business of helping bombers get away with their crimes.

False. The NRA is on record in support of finding a way to mark powder with identifiers.



False. The National Academy of Sciences studied the idea of adding taggants to powder and found that found "no taggant system to be technically feasible for use in black and smokeless powders". They recommended against pursuing markers in gun powders.

But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives.

False. The NRA supported a proposal to amend the law in such a way to require taggants in powder, assuming it was technically feasible, which the NAS found was not the case. The NRA remains on record in support of "examining all technologies that allow explosives to be detected before a terrorist or criminal explodes his bomb in addition to those that will identify the explosive after a blast"

The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation.

False. The NRA blocked nothing. They supported the idea. The reality of what is scientifically possible blocked the requirement.

Now, you were saying something about sucking...

What the NRA says they support, for public relations, is far different from what they actually support.

They said they supported universal background checks, too. Yet, they just lied about the bill in order to defeat it.

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[KissMy]

What the NRA says they support, for public relations, is far different from what they actually support.

They said they supported universal background checks, too. Yet, they just lied about the bill in order to defeat it.

Actions speak louder than words.

You are the liar. That was a 75+ page bill that had a lot more than background checks in it. That is why it was defeated so go blow smoke up someone else's ass.

 

[eflatminor]

There is nothing that O'Donnell said that is false.

Well, let's see about that.

False. The NRA is on record in support of finding a way to mark powder with identifiers.



False. The National Academy of Sciences studied the idea of adding taggants to powder and found that found "no taggant system to be technically feasible for use in black and smokeless powders". They recommended against pursuing markers in gun powders.

False. The NRA supported a proposal to amend the law in such a way to require taggants in powder, assuming it was technically feasible, which the NAS found was not the case. The NRA remains on record in support of "examining all technologies that allow explosives to be detected before a terrorist or criminal explodes his bomb in addition to those that will identify the explosive after a blast"

The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation.

False. The NRA blocked nothing. They supported the idea. The reality of what is scientifically possible blocked the requirement.

Now, you were saying something about sucking...

What the NRA says they support, for public relations, is far different from what they actually support.

Well, they ACTUALLY supported the proposal to study adding taggants to gunpowder. The Congress passed on the idea after the NAS found it unfeasible.

Your bias is overwhelming.

 

[Synthaholic]

What the NRA says they support, for public relations, is far different from what they actually support.

They said they supported universal background checks, too. Yet, they just lied about the bill in order to defeat it.

Actions speak louder than words.

You are the liar. That was a 75+ page bill that had a lot more than background checks in it. That is why it was defeated so go blow smoke up someone else's ass.

Then why didn't the NRA instruct one of their bought and paid for Senators to introduce a bill that only had UB Checks?

 

[Synthaholic]

Insane Wayne has been criticizing UB Checks for months now, and you claim they support it?

And you call me a liar?

 

[eflatminor]

What the NRA says they support, for public relations, is far different from what they actually support.

They said they supported universal background checks, too. Yet, they just lied about the bill in order to defeat it.

Actions speak louder than words.

You are the liar. That was a 75+ page bill that had a lot more than background checks in it. That is why it was defeated so go blow smoke up someone else's ass.

Then why didn't the NRA instruct one of their bought and paid for Senators to introduce a bill that only had UB Checks?

Because such a law would not only be completely and utterly ineffectual at preventing criminals from obtaining firearms, it would require universal registration to actually work, which ain't going to happen. We're not going to let government require background checks or registration to buy books either.

 

[Synthaholic]

You are the liar. That was a 75+ page bill that had a lot more than background checks in it. That is why it was defeated so go blow smoke up someone else's ass.

Then why didn't the NRA instruct one of their bought and paid for Senators to introduce a bill that only had UB Checks?

Because such a law would not only be completely and utterly ineffectual at preventing criminals from obtaining firearms, it would require universal registration to actually work, which ain't going to happen. We're not going to let government require background checks or registration to buy books either.

You know the NRA propaganda by heart!

Yet, they were for UBC a few years ago. What changed between then and now?