Musk rocket crashes again. No casualties

[Harry Dresden]

It’s not really science. They’re doing engineering.

We could be spending the billions on actual science because we aren’t learning anything from watching his rockets explode over and over again.

its more of applied science...im sure those people have to know something about physics...

 

[Marener]

its more of applied science...im sure those people have to know something about physics...

Good for them. We aren’t learning anything new about the universe by paying billions for Elon to burn.

 

[hadit]

It’s not really science. They’re doing engineering.

We could be spending the billions on actual science because we aren’t learning anything from watching his rockets explode over and over again.

We will when they iron out the process and they stop exploding, as they inevitably will. NASA had a long string of failures, explosions, etc. before they were successful. Why haven't you been criticizing them for their failures and wasting money?

 

[Rambunctious]

This is childish jingoism.

No its not... ask China and Russia...

 

[Marener]

We will when they iron out the process and they stop exploding, as they inevitably will. NASA had a long string of failures, explosions, etc. before they were successful. Why haven't you been criticizing them for their failures and wasting money?

I’ve been saying all along that NASA is wasting a shit ton of money on this Artemis program.

The whole thing needs to be scrapped.

 

[hadit]

This is childish jingoism.

Okay, still stuck on earth and refuse to use the advancements we gain. Better stop using the GPS in your phone and car, because space and stuff.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It’s not really science. They’re doing engineering.

We could be spending the billions on actual science because we aren’t learning anything from watching his rockets explode over and over again.

What is Learned from Rocket Explosions:

• 
  Structural Integrity:
  Explosions can reveal flaws in the rocket's structure, such as weak welds, material fatigue, or inadequate design for extreme stresses.
  
  
• Engine Performance:
  Tests often reveal issues with engine performance, including nozzle erosion, combustion chamber failures, or problems with propellant flow.
  
  
• Aerodynamics and Control Systems:
  Explosions can indicate aerodynamic instability or deficiencies in the rocket's control systems, especially during reentry or maneuvers.
  
  
• Propellant and Oxidizer Handling:
  Explosions can highlight issues with the storage, handling, or mixing of propellants and oxidizers, potentially leading to catastrophic failures.
  
  
• Safety Systems:
  Explosions can demonstrate the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of safety systems, such as self-destruct mechanisms or fail-safe mechanisms.
  
  
• Ionospheric Effects:
  Some explosions, particularly large ones, can even provide insights into the effects on the ionosphere, the electrically charged layer of Earth's atmosphere.

Why Explosions Occur:

• Structural Failures:
  
  Extreme stresses during launch, reentry, or maneuvers can cause structural components to fail, leading to ignition and explosion.
  
  
• Propellant Leaks:
  
  Leaks in tanks or lines can expose propellants to air or ignite them, causing a fire or explosion.
  
  
• Engine Malfunctions:
  
  Engine problems, such as nozzle clogging or over-pressure, can lead to explosions.
  
  
• Uncontrolled Reentry:
  
  Loss of control during reentry can cause the rocket to break apart or ignite due to atmospheric friction.

Examples of Learning from Explosions:

• SpaceX:
  SpaceX, after several explosions of their Starship prototypes, has identified propellant leaks, structural weaknesses, and engine malfunctions as key areas for improvement.
• Space Shuttle Challenger:
  The Challenger disaster led to significant changes in safety protocols, particularly regarding the use of solid rocket boosters.

In essence, rocket explosions are not simply failures, but valuable learning opportunities that push the boundaries of spaceflight technology and enhance safety for future missions.

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[hadit]

I’ve been saying all along that NASA is wasting a shit ton of money on this Artemis program.

The whole thing needs to be scrapped.

I'm talking about the Apollo missions and the billions we wasted on all that space and stuff. Like I said, stop using the internet.

 

[Marener]

Okay, still stuck on earth and refuse to use the advancements we gain. Better stop using the GPS in your phone and car, because space and stuff.

What does GPS have to do with decades of tens of billions sunk into manned space program with little to show for it?

 

[Marener]

I'm talking about the Apollo missions and the billions we wasted on all that space and stuff. Like I said, stop using the internet.

How many Saturn V rockets exploded?

 

[Marener]

What is Learned from Rocket Explosions:

• 
  Structural Integrity:
  Explosions can reveal flaws in the rocket's structure, such as weak welds, material fatigue, or inadequate design for extreme stresses.
  
  
• Engine Performance:
  Tests often reveal issues with engine performance, including nozzle erosion, combustion chamber failures, or problems with propellant flow.
  
  
• Aerodynamics and Control Systems:
  Explosions can indicate aerodynamic instability or deficiencies in the rocket's control systems, especially during reentry or maneuvers.
  
  
• Propellant and Oxidizer Handling:
  Explosions can highlight issues with the storage, handling, or mixing of propellants and oxidizers, potentially leading to catastrophic failures.
  
  
• Safety Systems:
  Explosions can demonstrate the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of safety systems, such as self-destruct mechanisms or fail-safe mechanisms.
  
  
• Ionospheric Effects:
  Some explosions, particularly large ones, can even provide insights into the effects on the ionosphere, the electrically charged layer of Earth's atmosphere.

Why Explosions Occur:

• Structural Failures:
  
  Extreme stresses during launch, reentry, or maneuvers can cause structural components to fail, leading to ignition and explosion.
  
  
• Propellant Leaks:
  
  Leaks in tanks or lines can expose propellants to air or ignite them, causing a fire or explosion.
  
  
• Engine Malfunctions:
  
  Engine problems, such as nozzle clogging or over-pressure, can lead to explosions.
  
  
• Uncontrolled Reentry:
  
  Loss of control during reentry can cause the rocket to break apart or ignite due to atmospheric friction.

Examples of Learning from Explosions:

• SpaceX:
  SpaceX, after several explosions of their Starship prototypes, has identified propellant leaks, structural weaknesses, and engine malfunctions as key areas for improvement.
• Space Shuttle Challenger:
  The Challenger disaster led to significant changes in safety protocols, particularly regarding the use of solid rocket boosters.

In essence, rocket explosions are not simply failures, but valuable learning opportunities that push the boundaries of spaceflight technology and enhance safety for future missions.

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I’d rather spend billions to understand more about the universe than spending billions to understand why Elon’s rockets keep exploding.

 

[hadit]

What does GPS have to do with decades of tens of billions sunk into manned space program with little to show for it?

Quite a lot. The technology necessary to launch, position and use GPS satellites took years and billions of dollars to develop. Many attempts failed, rockets blew up on the launch pad and in flight, all to finally place them where they need to be so you can find your way to Walmart. If you don't want us to spend money and time because space and stuff, don't use GPS or the internet because they utilize satellites.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Good for them. We aren’t learning anything new about the universe by paying billions for Elon to burn.

yea people with your mind set said much the same in the early days of NASA...

 

[hadit]

How many Saturn V rockets exploded?

Do you honestly think the Saturn V was the first rocket NASA worked with?

 

[Marener]

Quite a lot. The technology necessary to launch, position and use GPS satellites took years and billions of dollars to develop. Many attempts failed, rockets blew up on the launch pad and in flight, all to finally place them where they need to be so you can find your way to Walmart. If you don't want us to spend money and time because space and stuff, don't use GPS or the internet because they utilize satellites.

So we already spent billions of dollars to develop rockets that didn’t explode.

So why are we doing that again?

 

[Marener]

yea people with your mind set said much the same in the early days of NASA...

NASA has provided a wealth of information and data about our universe.

Very little of that came from the manned space program, despite taking up a huge part of the budget.

 

[hadit]

So we already spent billions of dollars to develop rockets that didn’t explode.

So why are we doing that again?

Because technology always evolves and changes. Any new vehicle that takes humans into orbit or to the moon had BETTER undergo extensive testing. There are always better ways to do something. The original rockets, for example, were totally trashed after their missions, completely thrown away, all the money and resources that went into their manufacture wasted. We're developing rockets that can be reused, just for one example. Would you rather have us take the approach that we need to throw away every rocket that cost millions or billions of dollars just because we did it before?

 

[hadit]

NASA has provided a wealth of information and data about our universe.

Very little of that came from the manned space program, despite taking up a huge part of the budget.

We still need to get man off the planet at some point or be extinguished when the sun becomes a red giant. This is just the beginning.

 

[Marener]

Because technology always evolves and changes. Any new vehicle that takes humans into orbit or to the moon had BETTER undergo extensive testing. There are always better ways to do something. The original rockets, for example, were totally trashed after their missions, completely thrown away, all the money and resources that went into their manufacture wasted. We're developing rockets that can be reused, just for one example. Would you rather have us take the approach that we need to throw away every rocket that cost millions or billions of dollars just because we did it before?

Again, what does going to the moon have to do with GPS? We don’t need to be blowing billions of dollars on new rockets that explode to enjoy the benefits of GPS.

 

[Marener]

We still need to get man off the planet at some point or be extinguished when the sun becomes a red giant. This is just the beginning.

Jesus Christ. You’re worried about the sun becoming a red giant?

Don’t troll.