Musk rocket crashes again. No casualties

[Marener]

You've been implying it this whole fucking thread, you dumbfuck.

You’re a fucking weasel.

Where did I “imply” it.

 

[martybegan]

You’re a fucking weasel.

Where did I “imply” it.

it wont work, it can't go to the moon, all your bullshit over 50 responses.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Closed minded is not being able to see the stupidity of a mission design because you’ve already sunk money into it.

If you actually want a manned space program to work, it can’t be needlessly expensive and complicated.

We’ve spend decades accomplishing very little with manned space flight despite spending tens of billions. We need a radical shift.

i will ask again....what is your background in in this field?....

 

[Marener]

it wont work, it can't go to the moon, all your bullshit over 50 responses.

Put up or shut up, weasel. Show me any post that implied any such thing.

 

[martybegan]

Put up or shut up, weasel. Show me any post that implied any such thing.

Everyone knows your positions and your views, stop trying to get gotcha bullshit over chickenshit.

 

[Marener]

Everyone knows your positions and your views, stop trying to get gotcha bullshit over chickenshit.

You don’t know shit. You’re too much of a hack to even understand what I’ve been saying.

Show me any post where I said it. Put up. Or. Shut up.

 

[martybegan]

You don’t know shit. You’re too much of a hack to even understand what I’ve been saying.

Show me any post where I said it. Put up. Or. Shut up.

You know what you said, you know what you posted. I'm not going to put up anything you fucking hack.

 

[Marener]

You know what you said, you know what you posted. I'm not going to put up anything you fucking hack.

Yeah I know what I said and you don’t because you’re a hack that bends reality to suit your stupid politics.

Don’t ever demand that I “put up or shut up”, fucking weasel.

 

[Marener]

it wont work, it can't go to the moon, all your bullshit over 50 responses.

This is what I said, weasel.

First start with the fact that Congress mandated use of SLS which doesn’t have enough delta V to make it to low lunar orbit and back.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah I know what I said and you don’t because you’re a hack that bends reality to suit your stupid politics.

Don’t ever demand that I “put up or shut up”, fucking weasel.

I'll demand whatever I want from your hack ass.

You are pathetic.

 

[martybegan]

This is what I said, weasel.

So you did say it. good for you.

 

[hadit]

Jesus Christ. You’re worried about the sun becoming a red giant?

Don’t troll.

Or an asteroid strike, or a real pandemic, or Yellowstone erupting. There are many things that can wipe mankind off the planet or throw us back to before the stone age, and we should be populating the solar system to avoid losing all the advancements we've made.

 

[martybegan]

Or an asteroid strike, or a real pandemic, or Yellowstone erupting. There are many things that can wipe mankind off the planet or throw us back to before the stone age, and we should be populating the solar system to avoid losing all the advancements we've made.

And figuring out if relativity can be bypassed for superluminal travel, but that's still the realm of sci-fi.

 

[hadit]

Again, what does going to the moon have to do with GPS? We don’t need to be blowing billions of dollars on new rockets that explode to enjoy the benefits of GPS.

It took many attempts and untold amounts of money to develop rockets reliable enough that we could trust them to successfully get multi-million-dollar satellites into the proper places in orbit without damaging or destroying them.

We are, as well, justified in developing new rockets that are reusable, so we don't have to spend as much on each launch. Doing it your way ensures that any time we want to send people into orbit or to the moon, we have to spend a billion or so and then throw it all away, only to build it all over again from scratch.

 

[Stryder50]

Sobering reality;

Chinese pseudo-company completes successful hop test of rocket​

May 29, 2025 12:04 pm Robert Zimmerman



YXZ-1 completing soft splashdown vertically.
Click for movie.

The Chinese pseudo-company Space Epoch (also called SEpoch) announced today a successfully hop test yesterday where its prototype YXZ-1 grasshopper-type test prototype completed a vertical launch to an altitude of about 1.5 miles, shut down its engines, then relit them to achieve a soft splashdown over water.

The test article used thin-walled stainless steel and had a diameter of 4.2 meters, a total height of 26.8 meters and a takeoff mass of about 57 tons, according to Space Epoch. The test lasted 125 seconds and reached around 2.5 kilometers in altitude. The test article used Longyun methane-liquid oxygen engines provided by [pseudo]-commercial firm Jiuzhou Yunjian (JZYJ).

Sepoch says the test has laid a solid foundation for the first full flight of the YXZ-1, also known as Hiker-1 in English, later this year.

Without question China’s pseudo-companies as well as its official state space divisions are aggressively pursuing reusable rockets, far more aggressively than any companies (other than SpaceX) in the west. There are at least nine Chinese pseudo-companies or government agencies testing rockets that can land vertically (Space Epoch, Landspace, Deep Blue, Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Space Pioneer, Ispace, Galactic Energy, Linkspace), with seven having attempted hop tests with mixed results.

In the west, only SpaceX is flying reusable rockets. Blue Origin’s New Glenn is supposed to be reusable, but it has only launched once and on that flight its first stage failed to land successfully. The company has never done any hop tests. Rocket Lab is building its reusable Neutron rocket, but it also has never done any hop tests. Other rocket companies are designing or developing such rockets, but once again, none have done any hop tests.

In general China’s rocket industry appears far ahead in this race.

Hat tip to BtB’s stringer Jay.
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Behind The Black – Robert Zimmerman

 

[Stryder50]

Or an asteroid strike, or a real pandemic, or Yellowstone erupting. There are many things that can wipe mankind off the planet or throw us back to before the stone age, and we should be populating the solar system to avoid losing all the advancements we've made.

Not to mention a couple of other reasons;
1) Far more metal and mineral resources in space, other parts of the Solar System.

2) Manufacturing in weightless and vacuum conditions can result in interesting and useful products we can't produce down here, which generates even more advancements.

3) Humans "on-site" can make decisions and adjustments/changes as needed and immediate versus the time-lag and limited data of remote devices. When it takes light from the Sun about eight minutes to reach Earth that should provide a clue on what unwanted events could happen to remote, un-crewed vehicles, where communication time lag can be critical.

 

[Stryder50]

While on the topic of SpaceX versus "Apollo - Saturn V"; here's an interesting but little known aspect and insight to the origins of this topic~thread;
....
Project Horizon was a 1959 study to determine the feasibility of constructing a scientific / military base on the Moon, at a time when the U.S. Department of the Army, Department of the Navy, and Department of the Air Force had total responsibility for U.S. space program plans. On June 8, 1959, a group at the Army Ballistic Missile Agency (ABMA) produced for the Army a report titled Project Horizon, A U.S. Army Study for the Establishment of a Lunar Military Outpost.The project proposal states the requirements as:

The lunar outpost is required to develop and protect potential United States interests on the moon; to develop techniques in moon-based surveillance of the earth and space, in communications relay, and in operations on the surface of the moon; to serve as a base for exploration of the moon, for further exploration into space and for military operations on the moon if required; and to support scientific investigations on the moon.<a href="Project Horizon - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

The permanent outpost was predicted to be required for national security "as soon as possible", and to cost $6 billion. The projected operational date with twelve soldiers was December 1966.

Horizon never progressed past the feasibility stage, being rejected by President Dwight Eisenhower when primary responsibility for America's space program was transferred to the civilian agency NASA.

Space transportation system​

Horizon was estimated to require 147 early Saturn A-1 rocket launches to loft spacecraft components for assembly in low Earth orbit at a spent-tank space station. A lunar landing-and-return vehicle launched on a Saturn A-2 would have shuttled up to 16 astronauts at a time to the base and back. This was in lieu of a 12 million-pound thrust superbooster required for a direct-ascent lunar flight, which could not possibly be developed in time for the 1966 deployment target. Wernher von Braun, head of ABMA, appointed Heinz-Hermann Koelle to head the Saturn development project team at Redstone Arsenal.
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Project Horizon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Other related articles;

Project Horizon: Army Base on the Moon - Defense Media Network​

The Forgotten Plans to Reach the Moon—Before Apollo​

Project Horizon - The Black Vault​

Project HORIZON: The U.S. Army's Ambitious Plan for a Lunar Outpo​

Project Horizon: U.S. Army Plan to Put Soldiers on the Moon​

NASA lunar outpost concepts - Wikipedia​

58 page PDF;

Project Horizon Report - The Black Vault​

 

[hadit]

Not to mention a couple of other reasons;
1) Far more metal and mineral resources in space, other parts of the Solar System.

2) Manufacturing in weightless and vacuum conditions can result in interesting and useful products we can't produce down here, which generates even more advancements.

3) Humans "on-site" can make decisions and adjustments/changes as needed and immediate versus the time-lag and limited data of remote devices. When it takes light from the Sun about eight minutes to reach Earth that should provide a clue on what unwanted events could happen to remote, un-crewed vehicles, where communication time lag can be critical.

Exactly. Space exploration is critical.