Muslim Bakeries Refuse To Make Gay Wedding Cake...& No Rabid Protests From Liberals?

[bodecea]

We protested, we lobbied, we WORKED at gaining our equal civil rights. We did not sit at a keyboard and whine, doing nothing else. Political action takes time and........action.

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

Your standard for appropriate protest

I still don't know what you've deflected to...but since you no longer feel up to staying with the topic on hand, I accept your concession of defeat.

 

[kaz]

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

OK, so the baker says FU to the government. They're fine then? Government says oh, crap, they called my bluff, there is nothing I can do ...

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

The government is making you get its permission, dingbat. How is that not using force?

 

[kaz]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

I have the right to not earn a living. Gotcha. Just so you know, this is why I keep pointing out that you are an authoritarian

 

[kaz]

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

Your standard for appropriate protest

I still don't know what you've deflected to...but since you no longer feel up to staying with the topic on hand, I accept your concession of defeat.

Swish ... again ...

 

[bripat9643]

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

 

[bodecea]

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

You also don't have to hand over your wallet to a mugger. You can take a bullet in the stomach instead.

So you are talking about muggers now as if this somehow is an equivalent analogy?

 

[bripat9643]

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

I have the right to not earn a living. Gotcha. Just so you know, this is why I keep pointing out that you are an authoritarian

She's an authoritarian dingbat. But then, aren't all leftwing douche bags?

 

[bripat9643]

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

You also don't have to hand over your wallet to a mugger. You can take a bullet in the stomach instead.

So you are talking about muggers now as if this somehow is an equivalent analogy?

Of course there's an analogy. The mugger gives you exactly the same kind of choice that the government gives you

 

[bripat9643]

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

I have the right to not earn a living. Gotcha. Just so you know, this is why I keep pointing out that you are an authoritarian

right, because we all no government has the authority to determine who can make a living and who isn't allowed.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

Your standard for appropriate protest

I still don't know what you've deflected to...but since you no longer feel up to staying with the topic on hand, I accept your concession of defeat.

Cluck cluck cluck. She's running away.

 

[Centinel]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

It's unjust to establish a "business rule" that results in government force being initiated against someone who hasn't done anything to anyone. The initiation of force isn't ethically justified.

 

[bodecea]

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.

 

[Centinel]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.

And when the baker doesn't pay the new higher fine?

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.

And what happens if they continue to give the government the middle finger salute?

 

[bodecea]

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

It's unjust to establish a "business rule" that results in government force being initiated against someone who hasn't done anything to anyone. The initiation of force isn't ethically justified.

It's a business law that's been around since the mid 60s. Why the sudden interest in how unfair this law is (without doing anything about it except whine)?

 

[bripat9643]

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.

And when the baker doesn't pay the new higher fine?

It's so sad that these leftwing douche bags never think things beyond this point.

 

[bripat9643]

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

It's unjust to establish a "business rule" that results in government force being initiated against someone who hasn't done anything to anyone. The initiation of force isn't ethically justified.

It's a business law that's been around since the mid 60s. Why the sudden interest in how unfair this law is (without doing anything about it except whine)?

You're the one who brought it up. Why are you suddenly talking about it?

 

[bodecea]

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?

What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.

And when the baker doesn't pay the new higher fine?

It goes up just like it would go up if they refuse to pay a safety/health fine. Just like the IRS does if you don't pay your taxes/late penalties.

This is not something new.

 

[bodecea]

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

It's unjust to establish a "business rule" that results in government force being initiated against someone who hasn't done anything to anyone. The initiation of force isn't ethically justified.

It's a business law that's been around since the mid 60s. Why the sudden interest in how unfair this law is (without doing anything about it except whine)?

You're the one who brought it up. Why are you suddenly talking about it?

Oh? I started this thread? I think not.