Muslim Bakeries Refuse To Make Gay Wedding Cake...& No Rabid Protests From Liberals?

[kaz]

There are no sound justifications for it.

That's true. I misspoke. I should have simply said that there are very few ethically sound justifications for violence. Self-defense would be one.

However, you're right. And I take the same position. There are no ethically sound justifications for the initiation of violence.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think you both meant it in different ways. I think bripat meant there is no justification for government to initiate violence against it's citizens. I think you meant in general

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

You're talking to a wall. if you want roads, you get socialism, that's all you're going to get

 

[bodecea]

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

You mean you believe force wasn't used against the bakers who didn't want to bake a cake for the queers?

Just as much force as if they didn't follow any other business laws they agreed to follow upon being granted a business license.

They didn't have a choice about following the rules, so how did they "agree" to it?

You want a business license? You agree to follow business laws and regulations...that's pretty much everywhere.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

Why should a business require permission from the government to do business?

You want a business license?

Hmmm, the fact that government prevents you from running a business without its permission is an example of initiating force, dingbat.

 

[Centinel]

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

Nope, I'm objecting to government force being initiated against a person for not engaging in trade with another person.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

You mean you believe force wasn't used against the bakers who didn't want to bake a cake for the queers?

Just as much force as if they didn't follow any other business laws they agreed to follow upon being granted a business license.

They didn't have a choice about following the rules, so how did they "agree" to it?

You want a business license? You agree to follow business laws and regulations...that's pretty much everywhere.

The fact that force is initiated against businesses everywhere isn't proof that force isn't initiated against business.

 

[bodecea]

Why do you assume I'm not?

She's assigning you the task of protesting, that's the only acceptable dissent, according to her. I'm guessing you don't give a shit what she assigns us to do to express our views any more than I do ...

We protested, we lobbied, we WORKED at gaining our equal civil rights. We did not sit at a keyboard and whine, doing nothing else. Political action takes time and........action.

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

 

[kaz]

Why do you assume I'm not?

She's assigning you the task of protesting, that's the only acceptable dissent, according to her. I'm guessing you don't give a shit what she assigns us to do to express our views any more than I do ...

We protested, we lobbied, we WORKED at gaining our equal civil rights. We did not sit at a keyboard and whine, doing nothing else. Political action takes time and........action.

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

I belong to a lot of groups that are fighting to overturn all the unconstitutional anti-American laws that you and your ilk have passed. I even started a few of them.

What is your point?

Her point is that if you're not screaming at the governor of Florida like a leftist totalitarian bitch like she is then you're not accomplishing anything. I disagree with the woman in red, but just answering your question

 

[bodecea]

What force?

You mean you believe force wasn't used against the bakers who didn't want to bake a cake for the queers?

Just as much force as if they didn't follow any other business laws they agreed to follow upon being granted a business license.

They didn't have a choice about following the rules, so how did they "agree" to it?

You want a business license? You agree to follow business laws and regulations...that's pretty much everywhere.

The fact that force is initiated against businesses everywhere isn't proof that force isn't initiated against business.

So...you think businesses can open up without licenses or without following business laws of that state?

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

Why should a business require permission from the government to do business?

You want a business license?

If I'm a mugger and I say "hand over your wallet if you don't want a bullet in the stomach," what do you do?

 

[kaz]

That's true. I misspoke. I should have simply said that there are very few ethically sound justifications for violence. Self-defense would be one.

However, you're right. And I take the same position. There are no ethically sound justifications for the initiation of violence.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think you both meant it in different ways. I think bripat meant there is no justification for government to initiate violence against it's citizens. I think you meant in general

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

 

[bripat9643]

You mean you believe force wasn't used against the bakers who didn't want to bake a cake for the queers?

Just as much force as if they didn't follow any other business laws they agreed to follow upon being granted a business license.

They didn't have a choice about following the rules, so how did they "agree" to it?

You want a business license? You agree to follow business laws and regulations...that's pretty much everywhere.

The fact that force is initiated against businesses everywhere isn't proof that force isn't initiated against business.

So...you think businesses can open up without licenses or without following business laws of that state?

They can if there are no such licensing requirements or regulations. Force is used to implement both of those.

 

[bodecea]

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

Nope, I'm objecting to government force being initiated against a person for not engaging in trade with another person.

So...we are back to you believing a business doesn't have to follow the Public Accommodation laws of their state.

 

[kaz]

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

 

[bripat9643]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think you both meant it in different ways. I think bripat meant there is no justification for government to initiate violence against it's citizens. I think you meant in general

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Yes, she is a special kind of idiot. Avoiding the point is her specialty.

 

[bodecea]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think you both meant it in different ways. I think bripat meant there is no justification for government to initiate violence against it's citizens. I think you meant in general

I think bripat9643 and I are talking about the same thing. Not to put words in his mouth, but I think that we both consider it unjustified for anyone (including people in the government) to initiate force against the person or property of another. I'm not opposed to self-defense or force used in response to an initiation.

Does that clarify?

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Um ... government guns? So you're saying if we refuse to obey government then there is no consequence? My God, you are an idiot

Oh, this is interesting. What government guns were pulled on the cake bakers in Oregon? Was it a SWAT team?

I don't think I would be calling other people idiots if I were you after hysterically crying about government guns in this case.

(government guns.....*snicker)

 

[kaz]

She's assigning you the task of protesting, that's the only acceptable dissent, according to her. I'm guessing you don't give a shit what she assigns us to do to express our views any more than I do ...

We protested, we lobbied, we WORKED at gaining our equal civil rights. We did not sit at a keyboard and whine, doing nothing else. Political action takes time and........action.

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

Your standard for appropriate protest

 

[bodecea]

Force? Like being 'forced' to pay taxes, or 'forced' to stop when you come up on a stop sign?

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

 

[bripat9643]

She's assigning you the task of protesting, that's the only acceptable dissent, according to her. I'm guessing you don't give a shit what she assigns us to do to express our views any more than I do ...

We protested, we lobbied, we WORKED at gaining our equal civil rights. We did not sit at a keyboard and whine, doing nothing else. Political action takes time and........action.

Why do you assume that's all she's doing? I've been fighting you and the rest of the Stalinists since I was 20 years old.

How's that "good fight" been working out for you? Do you have a group working to change the laws you don't feel are Constitutional? Or do you just snivel about them?

You and the screaming bitch in Florida aren't doing anything but jerking yourselves off

What the heck are you babbling about?

We knew you wouldn't get it.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

You mean because we only have those liberties that government decides to give us?

Nope...you don't have to open a business in a state if you feel that you cannot follow their business rules. No one is making you do so.

You also don't have to hand over your wallet to a mugger. You can take a bullet in the stomach instead.

 

[Centinel]

No. Like having force being initiated against you for not engaging in trade with another person.

What force?

Government force.

So, you don't like government force to require businesses that have a business license to follow the rules and laws pursuant to having that business license?

Nope, I'm objecting to government force being initiated against a person for not engaging in trade with another person.

So...we are back to you believing a business doesn't have to follow the Public Accommodation laws of their state.

Nope. We are back to PA laws being unjust because they result in government force being initiated against people who haven't done anything to anyone. The initiation of force is ethically unjustified.