Naomi Klein~the man made climate change cult finnaly being honest

Why is it that the Scientific Societies, National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities are in 100% agreement on AGW? Are they all radical leftists? Or perhaps you are just stupid enough to conflate a scientific issue with politics. No amount of politics is going to change the affects of putting over 40% more CO2 and over 250% more CH4 into the atmosphere.
explained and discussed in previous posts, move on to something new.
No, not explained, just denied. Just as you deny all the facts concerning this issue.

But there are enough people out there publishing the truth, like Naomi Klein, that the truth is being realized by more and more people, particularly as the warming impacts them.
 
Since nobody here is a commie, why are you babbling about commies?

I that back. All the deniers here openly act like proud Stalinists. Every last one of them wants climate scientists executed or imprisoned for daring to do science that disagrees with the politics of TheParty.

You can show you're not a Stalinist like the rest of the deniers, by condemning the deniers for calling for the execution or imprisonment of scientists.

If you won't do that, then plainly you are a commie and a genocidal maniac, like all the other denier Stalinists here.
No one stated those here are commies.

Why the strawman?
 
The next Texas energy boom, Solar!

August 24, 2015/0 Comments/in Uncategorized /by GuyMacNeill
That’s the headline from a recent Wall Street Journal article. Next Texas Energy Boom: Solar

Below are just a few of the compelling facts from the article that indicate that the rush is on for utility scale solar in West Texas

  • Companies are currently spending over a billion dollars on new solar projects in Texas
  • OCI Solar is already installing solar panels for a solar farm that is the size of 900 football fields in Pecos County
  • SunEdison has presented plans for its own utility-scale solar farm to county officials and Recurrent Energy, a subsidiary of Canadian Solar, Inc. is readying a nearby site for construction
  • The Texas Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) expects solar energy production to increase from the current 193MW to between 10,000 to 12,500 MWs by 2029 which is roughly the size of all current US solar farms in existence
  • West texas is flat, the land is open, available and cheap
  • Texas has just finished an investment of $6.9 billion in new transmission lines initially developed for wind producers but now available to solar energy generators
  • The production of solar energy is highest during the middle of the day when typically there are lulls in wind generation making wind and solar power generation complementary
  • Today the average price of energy in west texas is $35 per mwh with current solar bids are coming in around $43, but with wholesale prices expected to rise and because energy prices can float to as high as $9,000 per mwh in high demand periods there is large potential upside for solar generators.
  • Local counties are providing significant tax abatements to attract big developers
At Beam Energy we are focused on delivering solar and foundation solutions to this fast growing market.

The Next Texas Energy Boom: Solar
  • Facts in evidence.
again with texas. So, as I explained, facts not in evidence. The national grid is not being run on solar and wind. It just isn't and you're factually incorrect.
 
Why is it that the Scientific Societies, National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities are in 100% agreement on AGW? Are they all radical leftists? Or perhaps you are just stupid enough to conflate a scientific issue with politics. No amount of politics is going to change the affects of putting over 40% more CO2 and over 250% more CH4 into the atmosphere.
explained and discussed in previous posts, move on to something new.
No, not explained, just denied. Just as you deny all the facts concerning this issue.

But there are enough people out there publishing the truth, like Naomi Klein, that the truth is being realized by more and more people, particularly as the warming impacts them.
uh, yes presented with facts. Naomi Klein is no Judith Curry so game set match.
 
About Naomi Klein | Naomi Klein

Naomi is a member of the board of directors for 350.org, a global grassroots movement to solve the climate crisis. She is a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute and a former Miliband Fellow at the London School of Economics. In 2004, her reporting from Iraq for Harper’s won the James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. In 2014 she received the International Studies Association’s IPE Outstanding Activist-Scholar award, and in 2015 she received The Izzy Award honouring outstanding achievement in independent journalism and media. She holds an honorary Doctor of Civil Laws from the University of King’s College, Nova Scotia.

Her critically acclaimed new book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate, is the 2014 winner of the prestigious Hilary Weston Writers’ Trust Prize for Nonfiction. An instant bestseller when published in September 2014, it debuted at #5 on the New York Times list and was named to multiple Best of 2014 lists, including the New York Times100 Notable Books of 2014. It was also shortlisted for the 2015 PEN Literary Awards in the nonfiction category. This Changes Everything is being translated into over 20 languages.

Naomi Klein is a journalist with solid scientific knowledge. Judith Curry is a scientist with a lack of people skills.
 
About Naomi Klein | Naomi Klein

Naomi is a member of the board of directors for 350.org, a global grassroots movement to solve the climate crisis. She is a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute and a former Miliband Fellow at the London School of Economics. In 2004, her reporting from Iraq for Harper’s won the James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. In 2014 she received the International Studies Association’s IPE Outstanding Activist-Scholar award, and in 2015 she received The Izzy Award honouring outstanding achievement in independent journalism and media. She holds an honorary Doctor of Civil Laws from the University of King’s College, Nova Scotia.

Her critically acclaimed new book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate, is the 2014 winner of the prestigious Hilary Weston Writers’ Trust Prize for Nonfiction. An instant bestseller when published in September 2014, it debuted at #5 on the New York Times list and was named to multiple Best of 2014 lists, including the New York Times100 Notable Books of 2014. It was also shortlisted for the 2015 PEN Literary Awards in the nonfiction category. This Changes Everything is being translated into over 20 languages.

Naomi Klein is a journalist with solid scientific knowledge. Judith Curry is a scientist with a lack of people skills.
And?
 
Yuppers.. "social justice" is the cover phrase for anti-capitalist, socialist, class warfare.. And every watermelon is a socialist.. READ THE OP... She couldn't care LESS about the facts or science. Not her bag man..
 
Remember this is the entire basis of the AGW cult:

cmip5-90-models-global-tsfc-vs-obs-thru-20131.png
 
About Naomi Klein | Naomi Klein

Naomi is a member of the board of directors for 350.org, a global grassroots movement to solve the climate crisis. She is a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute and a former Miliband Fellow at the London School of Economics. In 2004, her reporting from Iraq for Harper’s won the James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. In 2014 she received the International Studies Association’s IPE Outstanding Activist-Scholar award, and in 2015 she received The Izzy Award honouring outstanding achievement in independent journalism and media. She holds an honorary Doctor of Civil Laws from the University of King’s College, Nova Scotia.

Her critically acclaimed new book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate, is the 2014 winner of the prestigious Hilary Weston Writers’ Trust Prize for Nonfiction. An instant bestseller when published in September 2014, it debuted at #5 on the New York Times list and was named to multiple Best of 2014 lists, including the New York Times100 Notable Books of 2014. It was also shortlisted for the 2015 PEN Literary Awards in the nonfiction category. This Changes Everything is being translated into over 20 languages.

Naomi Klein is a journalist with solid scientific knowledge. Judith Curry is a scientist with a lack of people skills.

Naomi Klien is a liar and a thief. She is an avowed communist and one world government shill. Judith Curry is an accomplished scientist and PHD holder who acts as a scientist should.

You are nothing more than a purporter of lies and half truths.. Your just as dishonest as Naomi is..
 
Thread summary:

After being unable to address any evidence, the deniers have devolved into personal attacks and conspiracy babbling.

Same old same old.
 
About time some one from the cult showing their real intentions, they despise technology, they despise capitalism.



"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

"Climate justice."

lol

Frickin' extremist.
 
About time some one from the cult showing their real intentions, they despise technology, they despise capitalism.



"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

"Climate justice."

lol

Frickin' extremist.

What reason should anyone give anything you post concerning AGW/CC any credibility?

After all, you do enjoy repeating the lies don't you? :eusa_liar: :cuckoo:
In my short time here, he seems like he's spot on.

If you think he's wrong, I'm sure you can come up with a list of organizations that deny AGW is a problem, right?

Here's a hint- you might want to skip all the major organizations/ the National Academy of Sciences, AAAS, the Royal Society, etc. because their statements are clear.

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Consensus

What WAS the consensus of those organizations ?? And what exact question did they answer? Because the world is slightly warming and NOBODY rejects the premise that climate changes.. Did they POLL their membership on any important questions --- or was this a front office statement?

Did they answer the question of what the additional temperature rise was gonna by in 2050? 2100? If not -- how is a massive remediation campaign justified? It's not about fluff and propaganda statements.. It's about science. And if you don't know what questions these "consensus statements" answer -- you better figure out what the scientific arguments ARE -- before you go waving "statements" in front of folks who have folllowed this science misadventure for decades....
Yeah....see, this is why I posted the link. So you could FOLLOW IT and see what they said.

I know exactly what the consensus statements answer, and have a pretty good understanding of the arguments and data behind them.

I have followed this for decades as well, and as a working scientist (albeit in a different field) and former academic, I've got a really good handle on what the strong indicators are of good science.

So read the statements. And then maybe go through the executive summary of the IPCC, to which they generally refer.

Then all these Institutions (at least their front offices) agree on the magnitude of the warming expected in 2050 and 2100 and are attributing 100% of the temperature rise to anthropogenic factors??? They have stated the expected sea level rise? WHEN were these statements issued and how often are they renewed. Because after about 2010 ---- ALL of the earlier projections had already started to fail and the projections and scary propaganda has been scaled WAY back.. As they have done with the "magic multipliers" that bestow superpowers on CO2's ability to heat the globe. Waaay beyond what the basic physics and chemistry says about the warming power of CO2. Because according to your theory -- man-made CO2 is only the TRIGGER to a self-sustaining positive feedback in which the Earth destroys itself because of a mere 2degC change in "global" average.

So show me where all these politically motivated statements convey ANY useful information to policy makers or the public.. I've seen them --- don't need the links. Because I KNOW they are standard boilerplate POLICY statements and NOT scientific consensus on the IMPORTANT questions..

Like I said, maybe you should actually read them. A little reading might probably help you.

They are referring to the general tenets of the IPCC. You seem unfamiliar with them.

I never claimed these statements were the consensus. But they sure reflect the consensus.

Yup don't you love it....

Matthew, Crick, old rocks and mammoth read all her books and think she is a Nun in the AGW cult
 
Remember this is the entire basis of the AGW cult:

cmip5-90-models-global-tsfc-vs-obs-thru-20131.png

Yeah, all of the climate models fail in one specific point, and all of them fail there intentionally.

The problem is, green house gas heat absorption is logarithmic.

I wonder how many of the green-eco-cultists even know what that word means.

Logarithmic, is the idea of diminishing returns. The greater the amount of CO2 heat absorption, the less that can be absorbed.

2000px-Binary_logarithm_plot_with_ticks.svg.png


This is an example of a logarithmic graph.

The point is, if you double the CO2, that does not mean you end up with double the heat. As the amount of CO2 goes up, the less and less additional heat can be absorbed.

The scientists in the eco-cult know this. They all do. They simply ignore it, because if they correctly adjusted their predictions and computer models to reflect the real limitations on heat absorption, then there would never be the demand for more scientific research into 'man-made global warming' because the models would show there's no need to worry about anything.

cartoon-IPCC_consensus.jpg

Of course you are not going to find many eco-scientists interested in correcting their models. What a shock.
 
Mr. Andylucian, have you ever taken any courses in college level math? Like the 200 series in Calculus? Because anybody that is doing atmospheric physics has not only taken those courses, but many more, some at the graduate level. That you are so ignorant that you don't know this is indictutive of your level of education.
 
Being a Conservative, I'm told that I don't believe in science. Ok, I can deal with that brand of bullshit.

BTW, I've taken advanced Calculus courses in both high school and college. Physics as well. It's all about limits. Approaching limits.

And I've had my limit. :slap:

Of what I am keenly aware, once again being a Conservative, is the effect that formulae and models and projections can have on policy. And the effect that policy can have on commerce and, ultimately, jobs.

This shit has gone way too far, and is destined to destroy entire industries and with it tens of millions of jobs at the cost of hundreds of trillions of dollars.

And for what? A "hoped-for" .018 degree Celsius reduction in global mean temperature?

Get a fucking grip, people. :slap:
 
Mr. Andylucian, have you ever taken any courses in college level math? Like the 200 series in Calculus? Because anybody that is doing atmospheric physics has not only taken those courses, but many more, some at the graduate level. That you are so ignorant that you don't know this is indictutive of your level of education.
Hahahaha, new poster old mumbo jumbo. You fall sir to understand human behavior.
 
It's unbelievable it's like the pope getting advice from the flat earth weirdos back in the 1600s....

Lmao the Vatican invited Naomi Klein .....

Yup it is so true and clear


Wonder how many times this OWS fruit loop was invited to the white house to advise obama on man made climate change?

DN!

flat earth weirdos back in the 1600

the flat earthers of today believe in global warming as well --LOL
 
Thread summary:

After being unable to address any evidence, the deniers have devolved into personal attacks and conspiracy babbling.

Same old same old.

Oh look, another shit pellet left in a thread by a let wing zealot cat... All you SCIENCE DENIERS HAVE IS THE LIES YOU CREATE AND PURPORT AS TRUTH!
 
About time some one from the cult showing their real intentions, they despise technology, they despise capitalism.



"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

"Climate justice."

lol

Frickin' extremist.

This simply shows what were dealing with. Left wing, Enviro-wackos, who want capitalism destroyed for their socialist utopia of everyone in poverty and only a few left wing radicals in power telling us all how to live, what to eat, and why they are superior to us.. Communism/socialism doesn't work and kills millions every time ti is tried. it is a failed system.

These people are communists taking on a green wrapper.. Watermelons!

What do you call people who try the same thing over and over again, while each time the premise fails, expecting a different result?

INSANE.....
 
This is amazing. That is, the way the deniers are obsessing about an attractive woman for possibly the first time. After having so many of them stalk me for years, I didn't think any of them were straight. It seemed that their cult had forbidden heterosexual feelings. That policy must have changed.

Klein does point out the racism inherent in denialism. That is, in order to accept denialism, you have to believe brown lives don't matter, and have a willingness to kill many millions in the third world. If it was white people being threatened in that way, the deniers would be taking the opposite positions.

Why #BlackLivesMatter Should Transform the Climate Debate
 

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