Nazis Are Not Socialists

[PurpleOwl]

drugs and sex outside marriage were banned under the nazis

Please show us your source and link. The Nazi's were manufacturing and distributing to their soldier's methamphetamines thought to be safe and to increase their energy and endurance. Adolph Hitler himself took them along with numerous other drugs.

WWII Drug: The German Granddaddy of Crystal Meth - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International

republicans manufacture and distribute methamphetamine today? they were legal and prescribed by a doctor,practically everyone on fox news is high on prescription drugs.... along with everyone in west viginia

 

[Votto]

OCCUPY WALL STREET. The new Nazis.

why do you republicans only point out antisemetism when a left winger does it? theres been 19 derogatory comments against jews in this thread alone, but you dig up an old youtube video? do you think people believe you?

I'm sorry, which party wants to bring Zionists to their knees?

Are there no gays in the streets of San Fran who protests Zionism in favor of Muslims who would just as soon slit their throats?

 

[PurpleOwl]

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

Leave it to Socialists to disavow those who call themselves socialists and implement socialist policies.

Hilarious!

"Hilarious" might describe a wag who could have learned, just from this thread alone, that Nazis opposed socialists, sought to overthrow them running the country, organized the SA (storm troopers) to intimidate them, and tossed them into Dachau as soon as they came to power.

But of course that would have required actual work.

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
Adolf Hitler

thats been debunked more times than the crowd size of trumps inaugural address

historyandpolitics77: "We are socialists ...." Debunked
"We are socialists ...." Debunked

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler, Quoted in John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", p224.
Put into Google Hitler and socialist, and you're bound to come up with various websites with the above quote. Because of the way in which it get's used, i regard it as hitler's "There is no such thing as society" moment. What i mean is, A quote which is Always taken out of context to further a false point.

So what is the context you may ask? I provide the answer below.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to enflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left. "Goebbles decided it was now time to broaden the base of membership and to do that he had to attract the attention of the jaded public, "Berlin needs its sensations as a fish needs water", he (Goebbels) wrote" (ibid p223) So the best way they decided to inflame the situation was for violent action "SA troops deliberately sought out physical combat with the Reds," (Ibid p224) and for Hitler to give a speech on May Day. And not only that, but to give speeches in meeting halls that were taken over from the Communists. ""Making noise" he (Hitler) once said, "is an effective means of opposition"" (Ibid p224) And that is the true light that the quote must be taken as, making noise to provoke. False propaganda meant to inflame. Fights were started and the Newspapers proclaimed that there was this little known party, as it was not very large in Berlin at the time, fighting the Communists and Socialists. "The publicity was meant to be derogatory but in the next few days 2600 applications for membership were received," (Ibid p224) So this all served their purpose. And Toland, immediately after using the quote, and in the very next sentence of the same paragraph states, "This was followed by a long dissertation on Lebensraum, in Hitler's continuing effort to pound this concept into the membership. Sixty-two million Germans he said, were crowded into an area only 450,000 kilometers square. "This is a ridiculous figure when one considers the size of other nations in the world today." There were two solutions: either decrease he population by "chasing our best human material out of Germany" or "bring the soil into consonance with the population, even if it must be done by war. This is the natural way which Providence has prescribed." (Ibid p225)

Notice a couple of things here, first that he only uses one line calling himself a socialist and this is meant to inflame the Socialists and the rest of the Left, just get publicity and to confuse those that may not know the reality behind their party. The latter of which Hitler makes clear in his detailed policy of Lebensraum which has nothing to do with socialism. So not only does he merely state without any justification that he is a socialist, he makes it clear that his policy is not a socialist one but a racial and colonial one. So Hitler does not at all expound on the socialist statement, but he goes into detail on Lebensraum, which makes it clear that there is no real socialism behind his 'socialist' statement but there is to his expansionary and racist policies. "Again and again he hammered at race and the fact that Germany's future lay in the conquest of eastern territories. Over and over he preached his pseudo-Darwinist sermon of nature's way: conquest of the weak by the strong." (Ibid p226) As an honest reading of Toland would indicate; something that those that use this quote like Ray has obviously not done, but had probably only acquired it from a cheap Web search, probably from a Heritage institute or Glen Beck site; The mentioning of 'Socialist' was only propaganda. It is part of a larger section by Toland treating that subject and the attempt by the Nazi to develop support while weakening the other parties. Except for the racial policy and expansion, Hitler, when the party was first building its support, would say anything, no matter how disingenuous, to try and be attractive to every segment of the political society.


QUOTE]

The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very word 'Nazi' is a German abbreviation for 'National Socialist' (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler's political party (translated) was 'The National Socialist German Workers' Party' (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).
Dr. John Joseph Ray

you racists have to decide if hitler was secretly a left winger or if he did nothing wrong... you can't keep switching back and forth like this

 

[PurpleOwl]

OCCUPY WALL STREET. The new Nazis.

why do you republicans only point out antisemetism when a left winger does it? theres been 19 derogatory comments against jews in this thread alone, but you dig up an old youtube video? do you think people believe you?

I'm sorry, which party wants to bring Zionists to their knees?

Are there no gays in the streets of San Fran who protests Zionism in favor of Muslims who would just as soon slit their throats?

zionists means state of israel not jews, if you weren't a dumb fucking swamp dweller you would know things like that

 

[Votto]

OCCUPY WALL STREET. The new Nazis.

why do you republicans only point out antisemetism when a left winger does it? theres been 19 derogatory comments against jews in this thread alone, but you dig up an old youtube video? do you think people believe you?

I'm sorry, which party wants to bring Zionists to their knees?

Are there no gays in the streets of San Fran who protests Zionism in favor of Muslims who would just as soon slit their throats?

zionists means state of israel not jews, if you weren't a dumb fucking swamp dweller you would know things like that

Jews used to be hunted down in Europe because they would not convert to Christianity.

Now they are hunted down because they want a Jewish state.

Why does the reason matter?

If you were a Jew, would you simply ignore the centuries of persecution abroad and just let your nation be overrun by Muslims that have made the Middle East a living hell?

 

[LaDexter]

you racists

New definition

"racist" - person who didn't vote for Hillary

example - the MLK family...


SHOCKER: Martin Luther King's family voted for Donald Trump

 

[Votto]

This about sums it up


At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent.
Joseph Sobran

 

[PurpleOwl]

you racists

New definition

"racist" - person who didn't vote for Hillary

example - the MLK family...


SHOCKER: Martin Luther King's family voted for Donald Trump

thats nice dear

 

[LaDexter]

Now they are hunted down because they want a Jewish state

What BS that is.

Here's the reality


After the US forced the UN to GIVE the Jewish people a "state" by forcing out those who were living there, the Chosen have since


1. murdered a US President to install a VP committed to the "cause" =LBJ
2. used US military assets to attack and take more land from their neighbors - 1967
3. used US military assets to attack and murder the ship USS Liberty and crew - 1968
4. tried to frame Hezbollah in 1982 and provoke a US war with Hezbo by murdering US marines in Lebanon
5. successfully murdered thousands of Americans on 911 and had a full fledged traitor in the WH to back them up and sell out the US military for the "cause"


Yeah, Israel has got it "coming..."

 

[PurpleOwl]

This about sums it up


At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent.
Joseph Sobran

communism means abolishiment of the state.... also sobran worked for pat buchanan who your god emperor Trump once called a nazi

 

[Votto]

This about sums it up


At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent.
Joseph Sobran

communism means abolishiment of the state.... also sobran worked for pat buchanan who your god emperor Trump once called a nazi

Have you ever seen a communist country that abolished the state?

Hilarious!

So first you call Trump an idiot and then quote him as if he speaks for me?

Dingleberry

 

[PurpleOwl]

Now they are hunted down because they want a Jewish state

5. successfully murdered thousands of Americans on 911 "

oh dear god

 

[Pogo]

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

Leave it to Socialists to disavow those who call themselves socialists and implement socialist policies.

Hilarious!

"Hilarious" might describe a wag who could have learned, just from this thread alone, that Nazis opposed socialists, sought to overthrow them running the country, organized the SA (storm troopers) to intimidate them, and tossed them into Dachau as soon as they came to power.

But of course that would have required actual work.

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
Adolf Hitler

thats been debunked more times than the crowd size of trumps inaugural address

historyandpolitics77: "We are socialists ...." Debunked
"We are socialists ...." Debunked

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler, Quoted in John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", p224.
Put into Google Hitler and socialist, and you're bound to come up with various websites with the above quote. Because of the way in which it get's used, i regard it as hitler's "There is no such thing as society" moment. What i mean is, A quote which is Always taken out of context to further a false point.

So what is the context you may ask? I provide the answer below.

It was to only try and wean some of the working class support over to him that he made references like he did to socialism. And that never really worked, the Nazis always had the least support from the working class. In that particular section of the book Toland is discussing Hitler's use of propaganda and his oratory style. He starts out by stating that the Berlin Nazi party (or Gau) was in disarray at this time and Goebbels was sent to straighten out the situation. He found that "The thousand party members under his jurisdiction were opposed on the streets by overwhelming numbers of Communists and Social Democrats." The course of action they decided on was to do everything they could to pick fights and to basically 'Red Bait' the Leftists in order to enflame violence, and to use propaganda to confuse the masses to try and weaken the real Left. "Goebbles decided it was now time to broaden the base of membership and to do that he had to attract the attention of the jaded public, "Berlin needs its sensations as a fish needs water", he (Goebbels) wrote" (ibid p223) So the best way they decided to inflame the situation was for violent action "SA troops deliberately sought out physical combat with the Reds," (Ibid p224) and for Hitler to give a speech on May Day. And not only that, but to give speeches in meeting halls that were taken over from the Communists. ""Making noise" he (Hitler) once said, "is an effective means of opposition"" (Ibid p224) And that is the true light that the quote must be taken as, making noise to provoke. False propaganda meant to inflame. Fights were started and the Newspapers proclaimed that there was this little known party, as it was not very large in Berlin at the time, fighting the Communists and Socialists. "The publicity was meant to be derogatory but in the next few days 2600 applications for membership were received," (Ibid p224) So this all served their purpose. And Toland, immediately after using the quote, and in the very next sentence of the same paragraph states, "This was followed by a long dissertation on Lebensraum, in Hitler's continuing effort to pound this concept into the membership. Sixty-two million Germans he said, were crowded into an area only 450,000 kilometers square. "This is a ridiculous figure when one considers the size of other nations in the world today." There were two solutions: either decrease he population by "chasing our best human material out of Germany" or "bring the soil into consonance with the population, even if it must be done by war. This is the natural way which Providence has prescribed." (Ibid p225)

Notice a couple of things here, first that he only uses one line calling himself a socialist and this is meant to inflame the Socialists and the rest of the Left, just get publicity and to confuse those that may not know the reality behind their party. The latter of which Hitler makes clear in his detailed policy of Lebensraum which has nothing to do with socialism. So not only does he merely state without any justification that he is a socialist, he makes it clear that his policy is not a socialist one but a racial and colonial one. So Hitler does not at all expound on the socialist statement, but he goes into detail on Lebensraum, which makes it clear that there is no real socialism behind his 'socialist' statement but there is to his expansionary and racist policies. "Again and again he hammered at race and the fact that Germany's future lay in the conquest of eastern territories. Over and over he preached his pseudo-Darwinist sermon of nature's way: conquest of the weak by the strong." (Ibid p226) As an honest reading of Toland would indicate; something that those that use this quote like Ray has obviously not done, but had probably only acquired it from a cheap Web search, probably from a Heritage institute or Glen Beck site; The mentioning of 'Socialist' was only propaganda. It is part of a larger section by Toland treating that subject and the attempt by the Nazi to develop support while weakening the other parties. Except for the racial policy and expansion, Hitler, when the party was first building its support, would say anything, no matter how disingenuous, to try and be attractive to every segment of the political society.


QUOTE]

The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very word 'Nazi' is a German abbreviation for 'National Socialist' (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler's political party (translated) was 'The National Socialist German Workers' Party' (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).
Dr. John Joseph Ray

Amazing. Having been called out for failing to read the thread he proceeds to dig himself even deeper, burrowing into the depths of yet more points already refuted as soon as the dead-end thread opened. See "Pennsylvania Dutch" (who are not Dutch), the "People's Democratic Republic of Korea" (which is not democratic), "10,000 Maniacs (whose membership has never approached ten thousand), and Post "Grape Nuts" (which contains neither grapes nor nuts in any form). Oh and also see the "Gymnastic and Sports Division", which is what Hitler called his brownshirts --- whose job was to go out and beat up socialists ---- Dumbass.

Naziism is a far-right movement. That's where it started and that's where it lives. And no amount of whining on a political message board about "ignorance is strength" is going to wipe out known history, so put a lid on it.

 

[PurpleOwl]

This about sums it up


At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent.
Joseph Sobran

communism means abolishiment of the state.... also sobran worked for pat buchanan who your god emperor Trump once called a nazi

Have you ever seen a communist country that abolished the state?

Hilarious!

So first you call Trump an idiot and then quote him as if he speaks for me?

Dingleberry

its in the definition , there's also no such thing as a "communist country" thats an oxymoron.... you know you could really learn alot from this website called google

 

[Pogo]

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

Leave it to Socialists to disavow those who call themselves socialists and implement socialist policies.

Hilarious!

"Hilarious" might describe a wag who could have learned, just from this thread alone, that Nazis opposed socialists, sought to overthrow them running the country, organized the SA (storm troopers) to intimidate them, and tossed them into Dachau as soon as they came to power.

But of course that would have required actual work.

Left wingers are violent and often not logical. Just look to Berkley. They will slit their own mothers throat to obtain power.
This is not surprising in the least.

Nothing in any part of my post referred to or implied anything about "left wingers". Go learn how to read.

 

[Votto]

Now they are hunted down because they want a Jewish state

What BS that is.

Here's the reality


After the US forced the UN to GIVE the Jewish people a "state" by forcing out those who were living there, the Chosen have since


1. murdered a US President to install a VP committed to the "cause" =LBJ
2. used US military assets to attack and take more land from their neighbors - 1967
3. used US military assets to attack and murder the ship USS Liberty and crew - 1968
4. tried to frame Hezbollah in 1982 and provoke a US war with Hezbo by murdering US marines in Lebanon
5. successfully murdered thousands of Americans on 911 and had a full fledged traitor in the WH to back them up and sell out the US military for the "cause"


Yeah, Israel has got it "coming..."

Yes, but only because the Jews own the banking system and are human vermin, but I think that is only common sense.

Fire up the ovens, Ladexter is in town!

 

[Coyote]

Except when they are.

"White supremacists from the Traditionalist Workers Party, the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement — the country’s most-prominent neo-Nazi organization — gathered on the side of the town’s historic courthouse and screamed back and forth at anti-fascist (Antifa) demonstrators who were separated from the Nazis by police and barricades."

Socialists screaming at socialists.

Armed Nazis Descend On Tiny Kentucky Town

Oh...so now you guys are trying to pretend they are not rightwing extremists.

 

[Votto]

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

Leave it to Socialists to disavow those who call themselves socialists and implement socialist policies.

Hilarious!

"Hilarious" might describe a wag who could have learned, just from this thread alone, that Nazis opposed socialists, sought to overthrow them running the country, organized the SA (storm troopers) to intimidate them, and tossed them into Dachau as soon as they came to power.

But of course that would have required actual work.

Left wingers are violent and often not logical. Just look to Berkley. They will slit their own mothers throat to obtain power.
This is not surprising in the least.

Nothing in any part of my post referred to or implied anything about "left wingers". Go learn how to read.

You are all collectivists. You are all simply different flavors of the same thing

 

[PurpleOwl]

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

Leave it to Socialists to disavow those who call themselves socialists and implement socialist policies.

Hilarious!

"Hilarious" might describe a wag who could have learned, just from this thread alone, that Nazis opposed socialists, sought to overthrow them running the country, organized the SA (storm troopers) to intimidate them, and tossed them into Dachau as soon as they came to power.

But of course that would have required actual work.

Left wingers are violent and often not logical. Just look to Berkley. They will slit their own mothers throat to obtain power.
This is not surprising in the least.

Nothing in any part of my post referred to or implied anything about "left wingers". Go learn how to read.

You are all collectivists. There are simply different flavors.

thats fucking retarded

 

[Pogo]

Nazis Are Not Socialists

No, they couldn't be. The fact that Nazi is an shorthand form of "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei," which translates to "National-Socialist German Workers' Party" in English, the very word "socialist" being part of the term, is surely an indication that Nazis were and are not socialists.

Once again --- see the examples of the DPRK, GDR, Grape Nuts, 10.000 Maniacs etc, none of which are/were "democratic", contained neither grapes nor nuts, and do not place ten thousand people on the stage. The fact that some body calls itself "socialist" -- or "democratic", or "brothers" --- doesn't make them so. I can call myself a tangerine; the language allows me to make the claim. But the laws of biology don't allow me to BE a tangerine.

"Nazi", for its part, has become a separate term in itself, having nothing to do with the original German derivation, nor are we conversing IN German anyway. And even if we were, Nazi is a shortened form of National, not a shortened form of "socialist".

I'm sorry, but I don't know what to make of your comments. I don't because your first paragraph makes the point that terms have meaning that has nothing to do with whether one applies or accepts that meaning.

The fact that some body calls itself "socialist" -- or "democratic", or "brothers" --- doesn't make them so.

Then, in the next paragraph, you contradict that very idea.

even if we were, Nazi is a shortened form of National, not a shortened form of "socialist".

Now, I don't speak German, so maybe that's why it doesn't make sense to me that "Nazi" be a short form of "National" and not a short form of "Nationalsozialistische," which seems, even as non-speaker of German, to quite clearly indicate both "national" and "socialist." It seems to me the "na" is the shorthand for "national" and the "zi" is the shorthand for socialist. "Nationalsozialistische" doesn't really lose anything in the translation to English; there's are reason "National-Socialist" is hyphenated, that is to say, meaning is connected to the fact that it is. (See also/instead: What Is a Compound Adjective? Definition & Examples) Essentially, the meaing is that "National-Socialist" is the same thing in English as "Nationalsozialistische" in German, and every other way of combining those two words is not.

(Can I tell when someone does indeed mean "National-Socialist," rather than some other combination of that term, and thus has mispunctuated their writing? Only when they write enough that the context of what they mean becomes clear, no matter the words they write or punctuation they use or don't. When they don't write enough, their meaning is ambiguous. Make of that what you will, but the fact is that I've never learned how to read minds, but I have learned how to read what folks write.)

It's in no way a contradiction.

The linguisics -- the word "Nazi" in English use today has its own colloquial meaning, which does not extend to entire histories of 20th century Germany. It simply describes a personal characteristic, that being of a ruthless, intolerant, usually violent bigot. That's one level --- and the one intended for describing such contemporary American groups as "neo-Nazis".

Now the word comes to us from the German, where ít's the phonetic first part of the German National, which means just what it looks like. Nationalsozialitische is a compound word but it's still comprised of two adjectives --- were that not so there would be no need for the letter S in "NSDAP"; it would simply be "NDAP" -- and really it would be simply "NDA" since Arbeiterpartei is another compound word - "worker's party". German loves to glue words together into what would look to us like ridiculously long compound words, but the individual elements are still conceived as individual elements.

Therefore "Nazi" is a shortened form of "National". The -zi does not come from "socialist" --- it comes from the word National, which in German is pronounced "Not-see-o-nahl".

None of that however was the point. The point is that one may call oneself, or one's party, "national socialism" but the act of naming alone does not make them either. That's the road the OP seems to have chosen, and it's a dead end.

The linguisics -- the word "Nazi" in English use today has its own colloquial meaning, which does not extend to entire histories of 20th century Germany. It simply describes a personal characteristic, that being of a ruthless, intolerant, usually violent bigot. That's one level --- and the one intended for describing such contemporary American groups as "neo-Nazis".

That does not jibe with my understanding of the two terms. The "neo" of "Neo-Nazi" is merely a temporal, not ideological or behavioral, indicator....at least that's the distinction I'm aware of. I suggest you read National Socialism: Vanguard of the Future: Selected Writings of Colin Jordan and Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics and then compare and contrast Neo-Nazism with Nazism. You won't find much contrast and the comparison will reveal them to be pretty much the same things, but found in different eras of human history. The two have some differences, but they are differences not distinctions.

Therefore "Nazi" is a shortened form of "National". The -zi does not come from "socialist" --- it comes from the word National, which in German is pronounced "Not-see-o-nahl".

Perhaps you are right linguistically. It seems to me that interpretation makes Nazi sound like a baseball team not a sociopathic socio-political philosophy. So, while it may be so you can credibly make the semantic/linguistic case you have, the substance is not there in the context of whether Nazis are socialists or not, which is the point of the discussion, or at least having it.

Correct --- the linguistic point is irrelevant to the point of defining an entity merely by the name it calls itself.
That's an idiotic ploy that I thought we already agreed on and was in fact the first point I made upon arrival here. And in fact am still having to make since the intellectually foot-in-mouthed are still at it, having come late to the thread and not bothering to read it first.