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[Saigon]

SSDD -

So how do you explain the quotes....a little strange for a Marxist, aren't they?

Dude, you are pathetic. I asked you to describe the differences to the average citizen of both Soviet Russia and Fascist Germany and you post a stupid link. Use your own damned words and tell us the difference. It's not hard, let's see if the journalist wannabe can come up with an original thought.

No, it isn't hard - which is why I started a thread on the topic, genius. Do try and post with a little integrity and common sense.

Also keep in mind that I am not going to spend 20 minutes writing something when you have 0 interest in reading or thinking about what is posted. Both you and SSDD have a habit of demanding information and then refusing to look at it.

 

[Saigon]

He was sure that hitler was a conservative

Um.....WHAT??!!

Seriously, man, if you ant to discuss these topics then learn what the term means, and try to use them correctly. At the moment you throw terms around like confetti, without a clue in hell what they mean. You are just posting gibberish.

Hitler was patently NOT a conservative, and no one said he was.

He goes on about left wing and right wing and doesn't realise that he is talking about two wings in the same house

Gibberish.

I am sure by now you have already rushed to check historical sources, and found that 99% of history books and dictionaries say just what I have been saying on these threads. You don't have to admit to that, and we know you can't, but you can be honest with yourself, and actually try and learn something from that.

 

[Unkotare]

He was sure that hitler was a conservative

Um.....WHAT??!!

Seriously, man, if you ant to discuss these topics then learn what the term means, and try to use them correctly.

If that's what he ants? Is it what you ant? You ant to be sure about it. You know what they say, aste not ant not.

 

[SSDD]

Seriously, man, if you ant to discuss these topics then learn what the term means, and try to use them correctly. At the moment you throw terms around like confetti, without a clue in hell what they mean. You are just posting gibberish.

And you throw around the term right wing and left wing thinking that one means liberal and socialist and the other encompasses the conservative philosophy.

Gibberish.

Except the cornerstone of hitler's socialism and that of lenin, stalin, and the later soviet union were identical....eradicate the idea of individualism.

No need. I have spent more than half a lifetime studying the topic. I don't depend on anyone to tell me what to believe. Unlike you and yours, I am not a revisionist and am perfectly able to look at the actions and programs implemented by a government and apply them to the tennets of various political philosophies and determine for myself what they were. Clearly, you can't.

 

[skookerasbil]

nobody cares what people from Finland think......as relevant as a Siberian ice fisherman screaming in protest from his little ice shack.......in the middle of nowhere.

 

[IanC]

Seriously, man, if you ant to discuss these topics then learn what the term means, and try to use them correctly. At the moment you throw terms around like confetti, without a clue in hell what they mean. You are just posting gibberish.

And you throw around the term right wing and left wing thinking that one means liberal and socialist and the other encompasses the conservative philosophy.

Gibberish.

Except the cornerstone of hitler's socialism and that of lenin, stalin, and the later soviet union were identical....eradicate the idea of individualism.

No need. I have spent more than half a lifetime studying the topic. I don't depend on anyone to tell me what to believe. Unlike you and yours, I am not a revisionist and am perfectly able to look at the actions and programs implemented by a government and apply them to the tennets of various political philosophies and determine for myself what they were. Clearly, you can't.

I believe Saddam Hussein was democratically elected every four or five years. is that any different than Hitler as a poster boy for socialism, or Stalin for communism, or Pol Pot for asian communism?

 

[Saigon]

And you throw around the term right wing and left wing thinking that one means liberal and socialist and the other encompasses the conservative philosophy.

Well, that is a clumsy way of putting it, but at least you seem to be getting closer.

Liberalism and Socialism are both left wing philosophies.

Conservatism is a right wing philosophy.

From the 1830s to the 1880s, there was a shift in the Western world of social class structure and the economy, moving away from the nobility and mercantilism, and moving towards the bourgeoisie and capitalism. This general economic shift towards capitalism affected centre right movements such as the British Conservative Party that responded by becoming supportive of capitalism.

Although the term originally designated traditional conservatives and reactionaries, the usage of “right-wing” has been extended to describe liberal conservatives, classical liberals, libertarian conservatives, Christian democrats, and nationalists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

You may remember that this was where the debate began - when for some reason you were trying to convince us that the British Conservative Party were not actually right-wing conservatives.

 

[westwall]

SSDD -

So how do you explain the quotes....a little strange for a Marxist, aren't they?

Dude, you are pathetic. I asked you to describe the differences to the average citizen of both Soviet Russia and Fascist Germany and you post a stupid link. Use your own damned words and tell us the difference. It's not hard, let's see if the journalist wannabe can come up with an original thought.

No, it isn't hard - which is why I started a thread on the topic, genius. Do try and post with a little integrity and common sense.

Also keep in mind that I am not going to spend 20 minutes writing something when you have 0 interest in reading or thinking about what is posted. Both you and SSDD have a habit of demanding information and then refusing to look at it.

Wrong as usual. I would dearly love to hear you explain the differences. I find it amusing that I can do it in about three minutes with less than 300 words and yet, you the "journalist" can't.

Speaks volumes about you.

 

[westwall]

And you throw around the term right wing and left wing thinking that one means liberal and socialist and the other encompasses the conservative philosophy.

Well, that is a clumsy way of putting it, but at least you seem to be getting closer.

Liberalism and Socialism are both left wing philosophies.

Conservatism is a right wing philosophy.

From the 1830s to the 1880s, there was a shift in the Western world of social class structure and the economy, moving away from the nobility and mercantilism, and moving towards the bourgeoisie and capitalism. This general economic shift towards capitalism affected centre right movements such as the British Conservative Party that responded by becoming supportive of capitalism.

Although the term originally designated traditional conservatives and reactionaries, the usage of “right-wing” has been extended to describe liberal conservatives, classical liberals, libertarian conservatives, Christian democrats, and nationalists

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may remember that this was where the debate began - when for some reason you were trying to convince us that the British Conservative Party were not actually right-wing conservatives.

For fucks sake, can you write NOTHING of your own? Are you simply another cut and paste drone from the left side of the aisle with no workable brain function?

 

[SSDD]

For fucks sake, can you write NOTHING of your own? Are you simply another cut and paste drone from the left side of the aisle with no workable brain function?

You nailed him. He apparently has no words of his own which flies in the face of his claim of being a journalist. He doesn't seem to be able to express any but the most simple ideas in his own words and half the time he cuts and pastes even the simple ideas from somewhere else.

I have known a couple of journalism majors in my time and they literally overflowed...all the time with their own words.

 

[westwall]

For fucks sake, can you write NOTHING of your own? Are you simply another cut and paste drone from the left side of the aisle with no workable brain function?

You nailed him. He apparently has no words of his own which flies in the face of his claim of being a journalist. He doesn't seem to be able to express any but the most simple ideas in his own words and half the time he cuts and pastes even the simple ideas from somewhere else.

I have known a couple of journalism majors in my time and they literally overflowed...all the time with their own words.

Me too. My wifes best friend is a magazine editor back east and you can't shut the woman up!

 

[Saigon]

Westwall -

Closed-minded posters are always more likely to believe a linked source than another poster, regardless of what is posted. Hence, I usually use material that allows posters to go and do more reading.

I love discussing Fascist theory, given it's what I have worked with throughout my career, but discussion only takes place when other posters read and respond to posts sensibly - something you rarely do.

 

[Saigon]

SSDD -

Please show a little integrity and actually read what was posted.

I don't expect you to admit that you were wrong, but I am sure everyone on the board would appreciate it if you could learn a few basic facts about what terms like conservatism and right wing ACTUALLY MEAN.

 

[westwall]

westwall -

closed-minded posters are always more likely to believe a linked source than another poster, regardless of what is posted. Hence, i usually use material that allows posters to go and do more reading.

I love discussing fascist theory, given it's what i have worked with throughout my career, but discussion only takes place when other posters read and respond to posts sensibly - something you rarely do.

then answer the damned question mr. expert!

 

[Saigon]

Westwall -

What people experienced under dictatorship depends on who they were. Many people lived maginficent lives under Stalin - the inner circle lived a life of luxury and endless dinner parties, and under Hitler even more so. The aristocracy prospered under Hitler, and suffered under Stalin. Poles suffered under Hitler, Azeris thrived under Stalin.

If you want to compare the lives of 'ordinary' people under both leaders, then you need to define who the 'ordinary' people were.

 

[SSDD]

then answer the damned question mr. expert!

You should take a visit to his thread on the topic. The socialists are getting their butts soundly kicked.

For evidence they are using some of the most obvious revisionist propaganda ever published.....most of it written by socialists. It is a hoot. For the most part, they are now down to sniping rather than any substantive argument.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/284408-how-we-know-hitler-was-right-wing.html

 

[SSDD]

Westwall -

What people experienced under dictatorship depends on who they were. Many people lived maginficent lives under Stalin - the inner circle lived a life of luxury and endless dinner parties, and under Hitler even more so. The aristocracy prospered under Hitler, and suffered under Stalin. Poles suffered under Hitler, Azeris thrived under Stalin.

If you want to compare the lives of 'ordinary' people under both leaders, then you need to define who the 'ordinary' people were.

Spoken like a true socialist...unable to even identify who the ordinary people are.

 

[polarbear]

Westwall -

What people experienced under dictatorship depends on who they were. Many people lived maginficent lives under Stalin - the inner circle lived a life of luxury and endless dinner parties, and under Hitler even more so. The aristocracy prospered under Hitler, and suffered under Stalin. Poles suffered under Hitler, Azeris thrived under Stalin.

If you want to compare the lives of 'ordinary' people under both leaders, then you need to define who the 'ordinary' people were.

Yeah like the 14 million that Stalin`s Gulags and the NKVD killed.
It takes a Marxist to use Hitler as a comparison to make Marxism look good..Hitler was not a Marxist but he was a National Socialist. The only difference is that Nazi Socialism was National as opposed to International.
Neither is "maginficent"...whatever that`s supposed to be
It`s an old "Antifa" trick that left wing extremists have been using for decades...they praise Stalin over Hitler and try suck you into saying that Hitler was not nearly as bad as Stalin (which is true) ...so that they can call you a Nazi.
None of that cheap crap works any more except in their own stupid blogs and forums...and now he tries it here.

 

[Saigon]

Polar Bear -

Again, this is a literacy issue. Try reading this sentence again:

Many people lived maginficent lives under Stalin - the inner circle lived a life of luxury and endless dinner parties, and under Hitler even more so.

Note the words INNER CIRCLE.

No one is questioning that Stalin was every bit as evil an deranged as Hitler, but in both cases the elites lived well.

Under Hitler, as a right wing leader, the elite were the aristrocracy, share holders and the wealthy.

Under Stalin, as a left wing leader, the elite were whoever sucked up to him.

 

[polarbear]

Westwall -

What people experienced under dictatorship depends on who they were. Many people lived maginficent lives under Stalin - the inner circle lived a life of luxury and endless dinner parties, and under Hitler even more so. The aristocracy prospered under Hitler, and suffered under Stalin. Poles suffered under Hitler, Azeris thrived under Stalin.

If you want to compare the lives of 'ordinary' people under both leaders, then you need to define who the 'ordinary' people were.

Yeah like the 14 million that Stalin`s Gulags and the NKVD killed.
It takes a Marxist/Communist to use Hitler as a comparison to make Marxism look good..Hitler was not a Marxist/International/Socialist =Communist but he was a National Socialist. The only difference is that Nazi Socialism was National Socialism as opposed to Marxist-Communism which is International Socialism.
National Socialism has the goal to establish Socialism based on Nationality and in Hitler`s case was race based and was supposed to benefit only Germans.
Marxist-Communists want to destroy all other existing societies no matter on what continent they may be and replace it with Communism.
They even sing it in their anthems.
By what definition is Hitler a right wing leader ?
It`s the Marxists that created that label because they still do the same thing Hitler did.
He called his party the "National Social Workers Party" and nationalized everything under the sun, from Agriculture to heavy Industry,

Was wollt Ihr, Butter oder Kanonen?

What do you want butter or canons?
After that Krupp, Thyssen etc were no longer allowed to make tractors and plows but had to make tanks and cannons.
The only difference between Hitler and the Soviets was that they had a military/industrial "plan" into which all resources were funneled first and after they
almost starved every body they had their "green plan"...to try feed the unfortunate people who became Soviet Satellite states.
Hitler nationalized all resources and all systems, beginning with the school system, ....every system there was which was private before, including the worlds first national health care system.
Neither system, National or International Socialism is "maginficent"...whatever that`s supposed to be
It`s an old "Antifa" Neo-Communist trick that left wing extremists have been using for decades...they praise Stalin over Hitler and try suck you into saying that Hitler was not nearly as bad as Stalin (which is true) ...so that they can call you a Nazi.
None of that cheap crap debating works any more anywhere except in their own stupid blogs and forums...and now "Saigon" the self-confessed communist is trying it here.
"Saigon" you just fucked up ROYALLY..:
The only people who would translate what they call themselves into English as "Azeris" are Azerbaijanis using the Azeri to English dictionary.
http://www.lingvozone.com/main.jsp?...rection&language_id_to=23&language_id_from=56

Dictionary Azeri

English

No wonder your English is so fucked up,...because your "Azi-English" dictionary is still a few decades behind in colloquial English
You are not a Finn living in Finland...you are a f-ing communist asylum seeker from Azerbaijan living at the tax payers expense in the U.S !
And a mis-fit to boot. You are biting the hand that feeds you now after the fucking system you keep praising could not.