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It's baffling to me that we now have two posters here claiming to be interested in science and truth - one whose politics are so extreme he can not use dictionaries, and one whose politics are so extreme he can not understand that the UK Conservative Party is Conservative.
But of course - their views are not influenced by politics.
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See how ignorant he is. He is trying to tell you that there is no infighting amongst British conservatives. While they are trying to clean house like the TEA wing of the US conservative party.he can not understand that the UK Conservative Party is Conservative.
It's baffling to me that we now have two posters here claiming to be interested in science and truth - one whose politics are so extreme he can not use dictionaries, and one whose politics are so extreme he can not understand that the UK Conservative Party is Conservative.
But of course - their views are not influenced by politics.
It's baffling to me that we now have two posters here claiming to be interested in science and truth - one whose politics are so extreme he can not use dictionaries, and one whose politics are so extreme he can not understand that the UK Conservative Party is Conservative.
But of course - their views are not influenced by politics.
Anyone who would claim that a nation with socialized medicine is conservative is a blooming idiot...you named 4. Where do you get your political philosophy from?....wiki? Maybe cereal boxes? I knew that you didn't know jack regarding science, but I thought you journalist types at least knew the difference between liberal and conservative.
Brittan's "conservative" party is far more liberal than the American rebublican party and the American republican party is no loger conservative. It is simply less liberal than the democrat party.
He was first with national health care,...a "people`s car" for every citizen...the Volkswagen, housing, wealth redistribution etc etc right down the line exactly the same thing as what democrats are preaching today or soon will once they have total control."Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived...
He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him.
He had in him the stuff of which legends are made."
- John F. Kennedy,
President of the
United States of America
It's baffling to me that we now have two posters here claiming to be interested in science and truth - one whose politics are so extreme he can not use dictionaries, and one whose politics are so extreme he can not understand that the UK Conservative Party is Conservative.
But of course - their views are not influenced by politics.
Anyone who would claim that a nation with socialized medicine is conservative is a blooming idiot...you named 4. Where do you get your political philosophy from?....wiki? Maybe cereal boxes? I knew that you didn't know jack regarding science, but I thought you journalist types at least knew the difference between liberal and conservative.
Brittan's "conservative" party is far more liberal than the American rebublican party and the American republican party is no loger conservative. It is simply less liberal than the democrat party.
Same thing in Germany. The CDU & CSU were truly conservative...no debt no deficit etc...then the wall came down and millions of ex-communists became instant German citizens.
Now we got a top graduate from the Soviet Academy for Propaganda and Agitation as a "Conservative" Chancellor...
It was a simple "shot gun" strategy. Ex communists formed groups and joined each existing party..especially so the party which was in power.
Now there is no getting rid of Angela Merkel...after every election she has lost she forms a "coalition" with all the other parties that also lost and stays in power pushing the Marxist Agenda while wearing conservative clothes.
I get a chuckle out of this "elitist" thing. They are not the elite by any measure but have circulated that term because that`s what they would like to be called. I never oblige them. They are underachieving malcontents that hate everybody else who succeeded....the 47% that Romney mentioned in a private conversation that Democrats taped and used against himAnyone who would claim that a nation with socialized medicine is conservative is a blooming idiot...you named 4. Where do you get your political philosophy from?....wiki? Maybe cereal boxes? I knew that you didn't know jack regarding science, but I thought you journalist types at least knew the difference between liberal and conservative.
Brittan's "conservative" party is far more liberal than the American rebublican party and the American republican party is no loger conservative. It is simply less liberal than the democrat party.
Same thing in Germany. The CDU & CSU were truly conservative...no debt no deficit etc...then the wall came down and millions of ex-communists became instant German citizens.
Now we got a top graduate from the Soviet Academy for Propaganda and Agitation as a "Conservative" Chancellor...
It was a simple "shot gun" strategy. Ex communists formed groups and joined each existing party..especially so the party which was in power.
Now there is no getting rid of Angela Merkel...after every election she has lost she forms a "coalition" with all the other parties that also lost and stays in power pushing the Marxist Agenda while wearing conservative clothes.
Typical of siagon's "elitist" type. Lots of self esteem but not much to substantiate having so much of it. He, and those like him, know what they are told to know and are happy with that arrangement. Genuine freedom and life under a conservative government that would let you succeed or crash and burn on your own and let you live with the results of either would terrify someone like that. They love the nanny state.
Guess I shouldn't go to hard on the nanny state since you live in canada. Do you like it or are you far enough out in the boonies that you really don't feel like you are living under a thumb?
Anyone who would claim that a nation with socialized medicine is conservative is a blooming idiot...you named 4
SSDD -
Your own political views are extreme. It is purely and simply a matter of accepting that.
I could name 12 absolutely conservative governments who support universal health care.
The Tea Party does not define conservatim, and neither do you.
What you do here is to take an extreme stand, and then say anything which does not agree with it is socialist. That is your mistake, without question.
I can also post dictionary and encylopedia pages which state that each of the parties I listed earlier are right wing or centre right, and have formed right wing or centre right governments. These are not theories, not opinions - they are facts.
SSDD -
Just to be clear here -are you saying that you categorically reject dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of political terms?
Because I can - and already have in some cases - presented such evidence which clearly states that all governments listed ARE right wing and ARE conservative.
At the point you have to start rejecting dictionaries - do you think it might not be worth asking yourself quite why that is?
Most developed countries with conservative governments do offer universal healthcare.
Only those that are demonstrably wrong. Just because a thing is written in a book does not mean that it is correct.
Hitler's government was called right wing by communists and socialists of the time, but his governemnt was still socialist.
OK, so all the dictionaries and encyclopedias are wrong and you are right. Because any and every dictionary and encyclopedia would confirm that the UK Conservative Party is conservative. All of them.
Hahahahahahahhahaha!!! I'm so glad I read the rest of your post - I almost missed this!! Hitler was a left winger!!! Jesus - no wonder you want to avoid dictionaries!!
Hitler was not "called right wing" by communists, genius, he was openly and proudly right wing. He DESPISED socialism.Despised socialism huh? Guess that is why his party called itself the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Not much for picking up on the obvious are you? Since you missed that clue, it is a sure bet that you have never looked deeper into the issue.
Every party in the war called him right wing because he was right wing, and every dictionary confirms it. Man, were you away from school the decade they taught history?!
Right of what? Again, not surprising that socialsts who want to distance themselves from hitlers failed socialist experiment would write such. Same as all the eugenecists who suddenly disappeared after WWII who wanted to distance themselves from him as well.
Hitler not only didn't despise socialism, but actively considered himself a socialist. He viewed himself as a socialist and the basis of his socialist theory was that every individual and every group must unquestioningly work to fulfill national policy. That being the case, it didn't matter who owned and operated any given business so long as the people who managed it were doing what they were told by the state.
In correspondence to Herman Rasuchinning, hitler stated:
"Our socialism reaches much deeper. It does not change the external order of things, it orders solely the relationship of man to the state... Then what does property and income count for? Why should we need to socialize the banks and the factories? We are socializing the people."
Again, you prove that you have not studied the first bit of history of the third reich before you claim to know anything at all about it.
The bottom line is that national socialism was socialist. Leftists have spent the past half century trying to distance themselves from hitler and his government, but history won't be denied. It is true that nazis were the enemies of communists, but politically they were not opposites. They both had the same goal. They just went about it in different ways.
Russian socialism failed basically because they did not take their que from hitler and leave the means of production in the hands of producers and simply socialize the people. Russia put bureaucrats in charge of the means of production and they failed. Had they had bureaucrats telling industry what to do with the force of the state behind them, then the wall might well still be in place and soviet expansion might have been even greater than it was.
Because they sure as hell say that he was right wing - do you need to see quotes or will you just admit that you were wrong without the humiliation?
On the socialist scale, hitler was surely on the right side. But he was not conservative and his government aspired to none of the long recognized conservative, or classical liberal tennets. Again, when you say right wing, left wing, you are, in reality, just speaking about the various forms of socialism.
When you said that if we discussed political philosophy you'd make me cry like a little girl I hadn't realised you meant I'd cry with laughter.
The problem with you elitists is that you don't even recognize when you are getting your ass kicked. What conservative tennets do you think were present in hitler's government, or any of the 4 modern governments that you have named?
OK, so all the dictionaries and encyclopedias are wrong and you are right. Because any and every dictionary and encyclopedia would confirm that the UK Conservative Party is conservative. All of them.
Did I say all, or did you just make that up as is so often the case with your statments?
Hahahahahahahhahaha!!! I'm so glad I read the rest of your post - I almost missed this!! Hitler was a left winger!!! Jesus - no wonder you want to avoid dictionaries!!
Hitler was not "called right wing" by communists, genius, he was openly and proudly right wing. He DESPISED socialism.
Despised socialism huh? Guess that is why his party called itself the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Not much for picking up on the obvious are you? Since you missed that clue, it is a sure bet that you have never looked deeper into the issue.
Right of what? Again, not surprising that socialsts who want to distance themselves from hitlers failed socialist experiment would write such. Same as all the eugenecists who suddenly disappeared after WWII who wanted to distance themselves from him as well.
Hitler not only didn't despise socialism, but actively considered himself a socialist. He viewed himself as a socialist and the basis of his socialist theory was that every individual and every group must unquestioningly work to fulfill national policy. That being the case, it didn't matter who owned and operated any given business so long as the people who managed it were doing what they were told by the state.
In correspondence to Herman Rasuchinning, hitler stated:
"Our socialism reaches much deeper. It does not change the external order of things, it orders solely the relationship of man to the state... Then what does property and income count for? Why should we need to socialize the banks and the factories? We are socializing the people."
Again, you prove that you have not studied the first bit of history of the third reich before you claim to know anything at all about it.
The bottom line is that national socialism was socialist. Leftists have spent the past half century trying to distance themselves from hitler and his government, but history won't be denied. It is true that nazis were the enemies of communists, but politically they were not opposites. They both had the same goal. They just went about it in different ways.
Russian socialism failed basically because they did not take their que from hitler and leave the means of production in the hands of producers and simply socialize the people. Russia put bureaucrats in charge of the means of production and they failed. Had they had bureaucrats telling industry what to do with the force of the state behind them, then the wall might well still be in place and soviet expansion might have been even greater than it was.
On the socialist scale, hitler was surely on the right side. But he was not conservative and his government aspired to none of the long recognized conservative, or classical liberal tennets. Again, when you say right wing, left wing, you are, in reality, just speaking about the various forms of socialism.
The problem with you elitists is that you don't even recognize when you are getting your ass kicked. What conservative tennets do you think were present in hitler's government, or any of the 4 modern governments that you have named?
SSDD -
Your own political views are extreme. It is purely and simply a matter of accepting that.
Anyone who would claim that a nation with socialized medicine is conservative is a blooming idiot...you named 4
I could name 12 absolutely conservative governments who support universal health care. The Tea Party does not define conservatim, and neither do you. What you do here is to take an extreme stand, and then say anything which does not agree with it is socialist. That is your mistake, without question.
I can also post dictionary and encylopedia pages which state that each of the parties I listed earlier are right wing or centre right, and have formed right wing or centre right governments. These are not theories, not opinions - they are facts.
Hitler not only didn't despise socialism, but actively considered himself a socialist. He viewed himself as a socialist and the basis of his socialist theory was that every individual and every group must unquestioningly work to fulfill national policy. That being the case, it didn't matter who owned and operated any given business so long as the people who managed it were doing what they were told by the state.
Hitler not only didn't despise socialism, but actively considered himself a socialist. He viewed himself as a socialist and the basis of his socialist theory was that every individual and every group must unquestioningly work to fulfill national policy. That being the case, it didn't matter who owned and operated any given business so long as the people who managed it were doing what they were told by the state.
In all seriousness, SSDD, this may be amongst the most stupid and false claim ever made on this board. PLEASE go and do a little research.
I can't imagine how hard you must have worked to avoid all of the evidence proving the opposite. It must have taken years to have built the little bubble of myths you live inside.
I could provide a hundred book references, statements and dictionary definitions here, but to be honest anyone who believes Hitler was left wing has taken the act of religious faith far too long ago to suggest mere facts win convince him of anything.
Here is what Hitler had to say:
"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."
"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."
"In the years 1913 and 1914, I expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."
"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."
"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."
"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."
"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."
And the historian Bullock:
"While Hitler's attitude towards liberalism was one of contempt, towards Marxism he showed an implacable hostility Ignoring the profound differences between Communism and Social Democracy in practice and the bitter hostility between the rival working class parties, he saw in their common ideology the embodiment of all that he detested -- mass democracy and a leveling egalitarianism as opposed to the authoritarian state and the rule of an elite; equality and friendship among peoples as opposed to racial inequality and the domination of the strong; class solidarity versus national unity; internationalism versus nationalism."[/I]
Myth: Hitler was a leftist
Westwall -
You know perfectly well that Hitler and fascism and Nazism were right wing.
