Not Only Did Democrats Spy On Trump But It Was Only Too Easy

[2aguy]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


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Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?

Trump's mistake was in thinking that democrats are nothing more than fellow Americans.

Hopefully he will catch on before it is too late....

 

[saveliberty]

true! good point, but the leaks said he discussed the sanctions, so they are not encrypted, no?

I m going to out on a limb and suggest the CIA can read encrypted messages from US phone calls. I also think it is unwise to trust spies who leak information..

then why fire flynn?

Public reasons are not always the real reasons.

 

[Care4all]

true! good point, but the leaks said he discussed the sanctions, so they are not encrypted, no?

I m going to out on a limb and suggest the CIA can read encrypted messages from US phone calls. I also think it is unwise to trust spies who leak information..

then why fire flynn?

Public reasons are not always the real reasons.

that's true too....we don't always know what is going on behind the curtain, and some times justly so...

and sometimes not.

I still want to know what is going on here though...like in YESTERDAY, not 2 yrs from now!

 

[Care4all]

''Let there be LIGHT'', the Lord sayeth!

Sunlight is a good disinfectant!

 

[saveliberty]

that's true too....we don't always know what is going on behind the curtain, and some times justly so...

and sometimes not.

I still want to know what is going on here though...like in YESTERDAY, not 2 yrs from now!

How about this? More experienced liars (Obama & Co.) are teaching less experienced liars (Trump & Co.) a lesson. The lesson was not suppose to go public.

 

[jknowgood]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


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So...you fell for the "Obama wiretapped Trump Tower" thingee, eh?

You fell for the Russiagate thingee . Lol

 

[mudwhistle]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

 

[mudwhistle]

People in Trump's admin have been leaking the criminal and obnoxious activities since day one.

Oh...and it must be because Trump got thousands of his people in their jobs on Jan 20th.

Get real

 

[mudwhistle]

''Let there be LIGHT'', the Lord sayeth!

Sunlight is a good disinfectant!

Yeah.....too bad you haven't opened your eyes in over 8 years.

 

[Care4all]

that's true too....we don't always know what is going on behind the curtain, and some times justly so...

and sometimes not.

I still want to know what is going on here though...like in YESTERDAY, not 2 yrs from now!

How about this? More experienced liars (Obama & Co.) are teaching less experienced liars (Trump & Co.) a lesson. The lesson was not suppose to go public.

nahhhh, Trump's just doing his usual lying, to deflect from something he knows is going to gob-smack him, or from Sessions trying to weasel himself out of an intentional lie or misconception...

Pres. Obama did not order Trump's phones wire tapped in Trump tower....if you believe THAT, then I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn!

PHEW!

(we are finally back to normal, disagreeing!!!!)

 

[JakeStarkey]

People in Trump's admin have been leaking the criminal and obnoxious activities since day one.

Oh...and it must be because Trump got thousands of his people in their jobs on Jan 20th. Get real

Read more slowly: "People in Trump's admin" does not mean Trump loyalists. It means American loyalists who will keep Trump's nose to the grind stone.

 

[RealDave]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


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What is inadvertent communication? Is it when we are spying on Russians & Donnie calls a Russian official & they record him colluding with the Russians on interfering with the election?

No wonder you & your ilk want so badly to paint this as a Democrat conspiracxy.

Your orange buddy's campaign secretly communicated with the fucking Russians. They did it. Quit covering for those traitorous fucks & stand up for America for a change.

 

[Care4all]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

 

[RealDave]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


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Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?

You're a damned idiot!!!

Explain how they found out about Gen Flynn and Trump's private conversations with foreign leaders last month.

Fucking dumbass.

When Trump people call or answer a call from those being spied upon? The fucking dumbass is you.

 

[boedicca]

Trump needs to blow it up. Charge obama, pelosi and Schumer with treason and order that investigation.

That's not the definition of treason. Let's separate criminal behavior from treason, please.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Lol, dont be an idiot, of course it does.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The MSM is hyping up the Trump administrations 'chaos' and generic ambiguous 'danger in order to justify marginalizing him or overthrowing him in a coup.

Mika Tearfully Tells Viewers of Trump: 'If People out There Feel Nervous, We Do Too'

 

[2aguy]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

 

[mudwhistle]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

Well he did lie to the VP, so he's gone.

 

[mudwhistle]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The left doesn’t need evidence.
Trump does.