Not Only Did Democrats Spy On Trump But It Was Only Too Easy

[mudwhistle]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


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What is inadvertent communication? Is it when we are spying on Russians & Donnie calls a Russian official & they record him colluding with the Russians on interfering with the election?

No wonder you & your ilk want so badly to paint this as a Democrat conspiracxy.

Your orange buddy's campaign secretly communicated with the fucking Russians. They did it. Quit covering for those traitorous fucks & stand up for America for a change.

Look, dumbass. They talked about leaked arguments with the PM from Australia. When did Australia hack our election?

Fucking cocksucker.

 

[Care4all]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

Well he did lie to the VP, so he's gone.

So, he lied to Pence, then THAT MEANS he LIED about the conversation on Obama Russian Sanctions with the Ambassador... wonder why Flynn felt the need to do that...?

 

[mudwhistle]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

Well he did lie to the VP, so he's gone.

So, he lied to Pence, then THAT MEANS he LIED about the conversation on Obama Russian Sanctions with the Ambassador... wonder why Flynn felt the need to do that...?

No. Now you're making shit up.

Flynn just told Pence he didn’t talk to him and the NSA leaked it to the press that he did. They neglected to state what exactly was said because it wasn't damaging enough.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sure thing, mud.

Don't you have a job?

That's Jake's job

 

[JakeStarkey]

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.

ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it....

Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

Well he did lie to the VP, so he's gone.

So, he lied to Pence, then THAT MEANS he LIED about the conversation on Obama Russian Sanctions with the Ambassador... wonder why Flynn felt the need to do that...?

No. Now you're making shit up.

Flynn just told Pence he didn’t talk to him and the NSA leaked it to the press that he did. They neglected to state what exactly was said because it wasn't damaging enough.

Mud, it was called a lie. You were Spec Ops green beanie. You were instructed on Ethics and Military Law. You know better.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump should never have trusted any democrat.

 

[RealDave]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

 

[RealDave]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The left doesn’t need evidence.
Trump does.

They had evidence. The press can not call up the DOJ & ask.

Trump can.

Where is Trump's evidence.

 

[mudwhistle]

Anything and everything is usable to the Dems. They just spin everything negatively.
Not really, because they failed to release it. What they did instead was accuse him of lying about it to the VP.

Oh, I'm sorry.....u must have forgotten about that fact.

But President Trump could have easily said bull crud, and shown us the truth by releasing through his declassification of the transcripts between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador, that could have proven Flynn was not a liar and did not lie to Pence....and Flynn would still be working for us...

Well he did lie to the VP, so he's gone.

So, he lied to Pence, then THAT MEANS he LIED about the conversation on Obama Russian Sanctions with the Ambassador... wonder why Flynn felt the need to do that...?

No. Now you're making shit up.

Flynn just told Pence he didn’t talk to him and the NSA leaked it to the press that he did. They neglected to state what exactly was said because it wasn't damaging enough.

Mud, it was called a lie. You were Spec Ops green beanie. You were instructed on Ethics and Military Law. You know better.

Obviously your reading comprehension is messed up because that's exactly what I was saying.

 

[mudwhistle]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The left doesn’t need evidence.
Trump does.

They had evidence. The press can not call up the DOJ & ask.

Trump can.

Where is Trump's evidence.

Explain how they had this evidence if they weren't tapping their phones.

 

[Iceweasel]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

No, presidents can't do anything they want. And where's all your evidence?

 

[RealDave]

The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant

Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


​

What is inadvertent communication? Is it when we are spying on Russians & Donnie calls a Russian official & they record him colluding with the Russians on interfering with the election?

No wonder you & your ilk want so badly to paint this as a Democrat conspiracxy.

Your orange buddy's campaign secretly communicated with the fucking Russians. They did it. Quit covering for those traitorous fucks & stand up for America for a change.

Look, dumbass. They talked about leaked arguments with the PM from Australia. When did Australia hack our election?

Fucking cocksucker.

Trump has how many people in the White House & how many were in Austral;ia listening. But nooooopoooo according to dumbfuck cocksucker you, it had to be a wiretapp.

Your orange POS fuckhead probably leaked this shit himself to get headlines.

Where is the proof? & what happens when we find out Trump lied? We all know Trump is lying.

Since this happened, that investigation Trump was trying to avoid will happen & we will know just how big of a piece of shit you & trimp are. Far far far worse than Watergate.

 

[RealDave]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The left doesn’t need evidence.
Trump does.

They had evidence. The press can not call up the DOJ & ask.

Trump can.

Where is Trump's evidence.

Explain how they had this evidence if they weren't tapping their phones.

Let me dumb it down for you.

The DEA has tapped your dealer's phone.

You call him & order your weekly supply of heroin.

The DEA now has you on record buying heroin.

Your phone was not tapped.

 

[mudwhistle]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

You're an idiot. Nobody claims Trump wiretapped himself because this happened while Trump was a private citizen.
BTW, is English your second language?

 

[RealDave]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

No, presidents can't do anything they want. And where's all your evidence?

The President can indeed ask the DOJ & get an answer.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?

Democrats don't have rules. They just claim whatever is convenient.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Sure thing, mud.

Don't you have a job?

I retired more than four years ago. And I have not needed to work since I was 48 or 49, and the money still keeps rolling in.

Obviously a government employee.

 

[RealDave]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

You're an idiot. Nobody claims Trump wiretapped himself because this happened while Trump was a private citizen.
BTW, is English your second language?

Learn to fucking read, jackass. I said Trumps people were caught up in a spying program on the Russians.
"You really aren't too fucking bright, are you?

 

[mudwhistle]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The left doesn’t need evidence.
Trump does.

They had evidence. The press can not call up the DOJ & ask.

Trump can.

Where is Trump's evidence.

Explain how they had this evidence if they weren't tapping their phones.

Let me dumb it down for you.

The DEA has tapped your dealer's phone.

You call him & order your weekly supply of heroin.

The DEA now has you on record buying heroin.

Your phone was not tapped.

 

[mudwhistle]

And again......every single story on Trump and the Russians hides this fact....there is no evidence of anything happening.....they hide that line deep in the story....

Now...with Trump accusing obama and his mininons of wire tapping him and his people.....in the first sentence or two they always say...but he has no evidence of it....

They have gone on and on since the election claiming there are allegations of Trump working with the Russians.......and there being absolutely no evidence of it happening...at all...from anyone.....

Yet now the democrat press is all upset about Trump not showing any evidence.....

It is really getting old and the left is getting out of hand...

The evidence is the Trump people caught while wiretapping the Russians compounded by their lying about these meetings.

That is the fucking proof, dumbass.

Trump said Obama did it & as President he has the ability to know. So does he? Did he?

I hope Obama suers him for billions.

You're an idiot. Nobody claims Trump wiretapped himself because this happened while Trump was a private citizen.
BTW, is English your second language?

Learn to fucking read, jackass. I said Trumps people were caught up in a spying program on the Russians.
"You really aren't too fucking bright, are you?

Obviously brighter than you dipshit.