Project 2025 proposed adjustment to Overtime laws....

[Harpy Eagle]

Well, the cops I talk to almost on a daily basis are pretty happy about getting OT pay. They’re government employees. When I worked pub sec, I got paid OT for special events/deployments. Not sure about the “certain level”...

Yes, it is not that way for all of them.

My wife is a Nurse with the VA and they get over time pay, yet those working for the USDA as a GS12 do not

 

[Winston]

Do you have any comment on the pluses or minuses of the propose rule changes?

It is stupid. It in no way reflects an empathy for the working man or woman. Seriously, you think working 60 hours one week and twenty the next is even plausible for the average Joe? What about daycare for those that have children?

Like I said, I did a hell of a lot more than read the OP. The author of that chapter in project 2025, he is a prime example of born on third base. He has no comprehension of what live is like for the working man. He is a lawyer, he represents companies, not workers, and he hasn't ever, in his life, worked a real manual labor job. If he had, he wouldn't float such nonsense.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is stupid. It in no way reflects an empathy for the working man or woman. Seriously, you think working 60 hours one week and twenty the next is even plausible for the average Joe? What about daycare for those that have children?

Which is why it would be an optional thing between the employer and the employee.

 

[leftwinger]

Most of them are like Trump, born on third base and actually believe they hit a triple. To the point that they flippin brag about it, as if the womb they climbed out of means anything. It is asinine. Hell, they ain't even faced a damn pitcher.

Another Idiot with full blown TDS. Tell me all the buildings the Bidens put up with their LLC?

 

[Woodznutz]

Indeed, which is why it should be up to the business and the employees.

It gets better. We were often approached by homeowners asking if we could do odd tree work on their properties while we were in the neighborhood. We often did these after-hours 'private work' jobs and split the fees (always in cash) between us. This was voluntary of course. Better still the owner of the company had no problem with this and assured us that we and the work was fully insured even though he got nothing from these jobs. Great company pr.

 

[Care4all]

Well yeah, a job seeker will have to go along with company policy, they do not like it, they go elsewhere....just like it has always been.

Ok...surely so.

Then I am against it as being another new thing for the employer's monetary benefit, and not all potential workers.

As an employee, and my employer was forcing overtime because of need that particular week, I would like the opportunity to barter with my employer and state that I am willing to give up my time and a half or double time pay in exchange for days off compensation for the extra OT hours worked, of my choice on future days off, then yeah, it could be a good thing....otherwise I can see all kinds of problems rising that are not in favor of all workers.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, I know, that is what I said in the OP.

So, how does this change allow your kids to bring home more money?

By allowing employers to give them more hours of work .

Plus, who the hell is going to work 430 hours in a week?

Typo. It should say 30.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

By allowing employers to give them more hours of work .

they can already do that, they just have to pay them OT instead of the employee being able to choose which they want.

 

[Care4all]

Sounds like you wish to do away with contracts all together.

The applicant is always free so say, No.

That is how both parties agree to it.

Far to many people want to do to the companies what they perceive the company is doing to them.

A simple solution is to start your own company. I'll lay money on the fact that the attitudes toward this change overnight.

Ok, labor is worth less than the capitalist....I understand your position now....

 

[Winston]

they can already do that, they just have to pay them OT instead of the employee being able to choose which they want.

Where is the choice here? Do you seriously believe this is the choice? Employer, I need you to work 20 hours of overtime this week. Instead of paying you time and a half, I will give you off twenty hours next week? That OK for you

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Where is the choice here? Do you seriously believe this is the choice? Employer, I need you to work 20 hours of overtime this week. Instead of paying you time and a half, I will give you off twenty hours next week? That OK for you

Yes, it is. They can say no, I want the OT pay. Many people I know would be happy for the time off and actually work that way now, but they are salaried so it is under different rules.

 

[Darkwind]

Ok, labor is worth less than the capitalist....I understand your position now....

You don't understand, apparently.

 

[Winston]

Yes, it is. They can say no, I want the OT pay. Many people I know would be happy for the time off and actually work that way now, but they are salaried so it is under different rules.

Specifically, employers and employees should be able to set a two- or fourweek period over which to calculate overtime. This would give workers greater flexibility to work more hours in one week and fewer hours in the next and would not require the employer to pay them more for that same total number of hours of work during the entire period

Show me where it is at the discretion of the employee, where the employee has the choice, where the employee can choose time and a half rather than the time off later. Once the policy is in place there will be no choice.

 

[leftwinger]

If they wanted to work 8 hours OT one week....maybe they could get 1/2 THURS and all day FRI the next week to make up for the 1.5X pay rate they are foregoing on the OT?

Who knows? Leave it to the boss and the company. If you don't like it leave, find another job. The GOVT could stay out of it mostly.

You can't mass legislate common sense or fairness for everything from a 3-person company to a 33,000 employee type company.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Specifically, employers and employees should be able to set a two- or fourweek period over which to calculate overtime. This would give workers greater flexibility to work more hours in one week and fewer hours in the next and would not require the employer to pay them more for that same total number of hours of work during the entire period

Show me where it is at the discretion of the employee, where the employee has the choice, where the employee can choose time and a half rather than the time off later. Once the policy is in place there will be no choice.

Harpy has never worked at a for profit company. He thinks they are as generous to and undemanding of employees as the VA.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Specifically, employers and employees should be able to set a two- or fourweek period over which to calculate overtime. This would give workers greater flexibility to work more hours in one week and fewer hours in the next and would not require the employer to pay them more for that same total number of hours of work during the entire period

employers and employees

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Harpy has never worked at a for profit company. He thinks they are as generous to and undemanding of employees as the VA.

Yeah, WalMart is not a for profit company!

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yeah, WalMart is not a for profit company!

Oh, you're a greeter now?

Congratulations!

 

[initforme]

What this may do is open the door so that now the powers that be will take another step towards gutting overtime pay for workers. I'd like to see how the road crew guys would react as many make double time on Sundays and receive overtime pay after 40 hours. I know a few that approach $100 per hour on overtime hours. That's decent, but not excessive.

 

[Lakhota]