Obama admin bullying states into allowing transgendered bathrooms

[IndependantAce]

Now this is just pathetic. Considering how many incidents have already been reported of perverts claiming to be "transgender" just to gain access to women's bathrooms, I wonder how long before the feminist backlash occurs.

The Obama administration's directive Friday that every public school provide transgender access -- or face the loss of federal funds -- drew swift and strong condemnation from conservatives, with one public official blasting it as presidential "blackmail."


The administration’s directive -- citing Title IX in telling schools to give transgender students access to all activities and facilities consistent with their gender identity -- effectively touched off a national debate that could well extend into the next president’s term and reverberate through the courts.

Conservatives outraged over Obama transgender directive to public schools | Fox News

 

[emilynghiem]

It's just a threat. But an open invitation for states to start rejecting federal funding, or separating public and private schools depending which districts agree or don't agree with which school policies.

Dan Patrick: Transgender bathrooms are 'come and take it' moment | www.statesman.com

Texas to Instruct Schools Not to Obey Obama's Transgender Bathroom Decree

Since Texas only gets 10 billion from the federal funding and it goes to feed children,
that's who is going to be affected by this cut. I agree with Dan Patrick to take the cut
and start revamping school districts to go without federal funding. I wouldn't even wait
for the threat to become reality, given the problems with textbooks, prayer/religious references
in schools, already creating hassles and lawsuits. Separate now, and work with party leaders
in each district to buy back the property and ownership/management of each school, and use it
for training party members and local leaders in policy and budget management and administration. Instead of wasting money on empty campaigns, invest in creating jobs and training for future leaders to have real experience to list on their resumes when seeking office later.

Keep the democratically elected and funded structure, but shift it to local groups, from parties to church/nonprofit, business leaders and civic organizations to help manage democratically, and out of federal govt, except with research grants or other things that are project specific where terms can be worked out.

And start building police and health care training, education and services per school district to organize each community to develop independent govt and management. Use it all as training for citizens to become independent and invest taxes directly in their own communities and deduct from federal taxes.

Go for it!

 

[midcan5]

Human rights for all has always been a problem for conservatives, nothing new here. Conservatives and republicans are so predictable and simple, all they do is define the other's position in simple terms, in logic a strawman, and then retreat to their mentally comfort place secure in the knowledge they have said something. No originality, no analysis of either the complexity of the subject or even understanding. And still they wonder why a reality show star controls their party today. Take the transgender hullabaloo, really, states rights arguments over a non issue? Considering male heterosexuals are the usual predators why not ban them from bathrooms? Immigration was debated and nothing was done by this useless congress, on top of that Reagan and Bush both did what they now scream about. And 911 got less attention than Benghazi, you know why? Think and you shall find. Anyone wonder why nothing gets done in America today?

 

[Fenton Lum]

 

[emilynghiem]

Human rights for all has always been a problem for conservatives, nothing new here. Conservatives and republicans are so predictable and simple, all they do is define the other's position in simple terms, in logic a strawman, and then retreat to their mentally comfort place secure in the knowledge they have said something. No originality, no analysis of either the complexity of the subject or even understanding. And still they wonder why a reality show star controls their party today. Take the transgender hullabaloo, really, states rights arguments over a non issue? Considering male heterosexuals are the usual predators why not ban them from bathrooms? Immigration was debated and nothing was done by this useless congress, on top of that Reagan and Bush both did what they now scream about. And 911 got less attention than Benghazi, you know why? Think and you shall find. Anyone wonder why nothing gets done in America today?

Dear midcan5
Given that conservatives generally believe in limited govt, of course, nothing is going to get done that depends on federal govt solving it for us, when responsibility belongs locally to people to do our part first.

The first step is to shift responsibility back to states and people, and then we can address root causes of conflicts ourselves. If you overburden federal levels of govt with problems escalating from local levels, of course nothing is going to get done if the real responsibility is LOCAL. And especially if you push PRIVATE issues of BELIEFS from local levels to federal govt that is not designed to micromanage social programs and personal decisions, it will cause deadlocks!

As for restroom policy, yes, it is just as wrong to collectively punish all male heterosexuals with a bathroom policy as it is to collectively punish all members of the public who don't agree with the transgender policies.
This is why it won't work, it is not written well, and has unintended consequences that aren't recognized as valid issues but "unfounded fears", and instead of addressing public grievances and objections seriously,
the advocates have "jumped to conclusions" and started accusing and assuming any objections as being from "hateful bigots" instead of fulfilling govt duty toward "redressing of grievances" and "consent of the governed."

 

[LoneLaugher]

How many incidents have there been?

 

[emilynghiem]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

 

[LoneLaugher]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

 

[emilynghiem]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Correction LoneLaugher

1. the issue is NOT "transgender people" assaulting anyone
it's OTHER PEOPLE ABUSING the policy because it's poorly written.

just allowing MEN in the women's restroom means predators can enter

The argument is trying to write the policy for the % of 1% opens
the door to abuse by other people not related to that at all.

2. now if you write school policies POORLY
this opens the door for
"adolescent boys to shower with adolescent girls"
NOT TRANSGENDER BUT HETEROSEXUAL MALES

this isn't just about the Transgender crowd, it's about not
considering the consequences and affecting other people, too!

 

[LoneLaugher]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Correction LoneLaugher

1. the issue is NOT "transgender people" assaulting anyone
it's OTHER PEOPLE ABUSING the policy because it's poorly written.

just allowing MEN in the women's restroom means predators can enter

The argument is trying to write the policy for the % of 1% opens
the door to abuse by other people not related to that at all.

2. now if you write school policies POORLY
this opens the door for
"adolescent boys to shower with adolescent girls"
NOT TRANSGENDER BUT HETEROSEXUAL MALES

this isn't just about the Transgender crowd, it's about not
considering the consequences and affecting other people, too!

OK. Freak.

 

[Pop23]

Human rights for all has always been a problem for conservatives, nothing new here. Conservatives and republicans are so predictable and simple, all they do is define the other's position in simple terms, in logic a strawman, and then retreat to their mentally comfort place secure in the knowledge they have said something. No originality, no analysis of either the complexity of the subject or even understanding. And still they wonder why a reality show star controls their party today. Take the transgender hullabaloo, really, states rights arguments over a non issue? Considering male heterosexuals are the usual predators why not ban them from bathrooms? Immigration was debated and nothing was done by this useless congress, on top of that Reagan and Bush both did what they now scream about. And 911 got less attention than Benghazi, you know why? Think and you shall find. Anyone wonder why nothing gets done in America today?

The state as a Duty to protect the privacy of Women.

When a trans person rejects self, they create their own problem. They need to deal with that.

 

[Pop23]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Correction LoneLaugher

1. the issue is NOT "transgender people" assaulting anyone
it's OTHER PEOPLE ABUSING the policy because it's poorly written.

just allowing MEN in the women's restroom means predators can enter

The argument is trying to write the policy for the % of 1% opens
the door to abuse by other people not related to that at all.

2. now if you write school policies POORLY
this opens the door for
"adolescent boys to shower with adolescent girls"
NOT TRANSGENDER BUT HETEROSEXUAL MALES

this isn't just about the Transgender crowd, it's about not
considering the consequences and affecting other people, too!

How could they deny the shower room, no matter how it's written.

If declared a female, they must have full access to all female accomodations. That is how Civil Rights work.

 

[bucs90]

Please Democrats keep making this a major topic for the election!!!!!

I see some liberals here who....while their intent is disgusting....actually have somewhat capable brains and can reason a little- are already trying to make this topic go away.

 

[emilynghiem]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Correction LoneLaugher

1. the issue is NOT "transgender people" assaulting anyone
it's OTHER PEOPLE ABUSING the policy because it's poorly written.

just allowing MEN in the women's restroom means predators can enter

The argument is trying to write the policy for the % of 1% opens
the door to abuse by other people not related to that at all.

2. now if you write school policies POORLY
this opens the door for
"adolescent boys to shower with adolescent girls"
NOT TRANSGENDER BUT HETEROSEXUAL MALES

this isn't just about the Transgender crowd, it's about not
considering the consequences and affecting other people, too!

How could they deny the shower room, no matter how it's written.

If declared a female, they must have full access to all female accomodations. That is how Civil Rights work.

Fine, if someone is BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE there is no issue, Pop23
but base this on SCIENCE not on what someone "feels":

What's messed up is the loose definitions open the door
for MALES to get in the Women's facilities. That's what the hubbub is about.

Don't write the laws so poorly that MALES get in there!

And don't PUNISH people for insisting that the policies be written clearly
where it doesn't infringe on the other 99% of the population's right to
assemble peacefully and securely in restrooms!

 

[emilynghiem]

Please Democrats keep making this a major topic for the election!!!!!

I see some liberals here who....while their intent is disgusting....actually have somewhat capable brains and can reason a little- are already trying to make this topic go away.

Dear bucs90 one of the progressive community advocates I know
wants to push this issue as the key to ending all other issues.
Transgender is IT for him, he's not transgender, he's a white male business man.

He is going to push this as a key issue!

I told him the REAL issue is spiritual healing that will change public policy.
pushing LGBT will bring out the issue of how orientation has changed,
and spiritual healing is universal to all sides: people have come out
and changed to either heterosexual, homosexual, transgender, whatever
their natural default state is after going through forgiveness, healing and letting go.

That's the real understanding that is going to "come out" from all this.

People are going to have to come to terms with the fact we have
different and conflicting beliefs, and govt cannot be abused to make us change that.

We will separate first, by party, by district whatever it takes to get away
from someone else's politics we don't want to be under.

And when it's safe to come out with our beliefs, then all the
solutions to problems will also come out instead of being
obstructed by the party politics going on consuming all the media.

 

[MaryL]

Given the tiny number of people that are affected, it astounds me that this is even a social issue. It's totally contrived to make liberals feel good . Like they are fighting against evil transgressors. Actually, it's just silly and needless. Like worrying how to fight the zombie apocalypse. Really?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Since transsexuals have already gone through with genital mutilation and hormones, there is no choice but to let them use the restrooms and showers of their chosen physical (but not biological) change. Transgenders, however, are nothing more than transvestites. These are people who cannot shower with the opposite sex. It isn't bigotry to refuse service to allow them. Perverts and undersexed teenage boys will demand access to the girls showers and will expose their erections to the girls with impunity.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Hey dipshit, too many. Dipshit.

 

[LoneLaugher]

How many incidents have there been?

Of federal intrusion on states' and people's rights?
Or Democrats overriding Constitutional limits on govt in general?

For Obama's administration
A. the ACA mandates are contested as unconstitutional, both the vote in Congress
and the judicial ruling where Roberts changed both his position and changed the law to be "interpreted"
as a tax when it wasn't passed as one
Proposed solution: to run a vote through Congress on whether or not proposed bills are Constitutional
or require a Constitutional amendment first to expand the powers of federal govt or to recognize
something as a right that isn't already expressed in the law

B. the ruling on marriage
contested as the role of legislatures or states to write this as a right,
and not the role of judiciary to make laws from the bench.
It can be argued that BANS on gay marriage are unconstitutional,
but it is another thing to ESTABLISH same sex marriage through govt
through the judiciary instead of appropriate legislation voted on by the public

C. now this bathroom policy issue (threat only, no official executive order or action yet)
Because issues of homosexuality and orientation/gender that aren't proven by science yet
remain FAITH BASED, these issues of BELIEFS should be treated equally as beliefs
about Christianity, creation/evolution, and other things not established by science.
They remain up to the faith and free choice of individuals.

Bullying, harassment and abuse of persons should be protected against for
ALL people not just LGBT. Any contested policy should be resolved locally by the people affected and/or in charge, without harassing, excluding, penalizing or discriminating against any person for their beliefs.

For the President to take one side and threaten punishment against others is abuse of office *IF HE ABUSES HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO DO SO*. If he is just preaching in the media, then this is not discrimination if all public leaders are allowed to preach their personal, religious or political beliefs in the media. But the limit is whether someone abuses public office, authority or laws to enforce one side of a faith based conflict,
then that is discriminating by creed against citizens of other beliefs who can't be forced by govt to change their faith.

If you want the list for the City of Houston that has been run by Democrats, aside from conspiring with developers to deny civil rights and equal protections to the residents of Freedmen's Town where I live,
I can count at least 3 Constitutional violations that required lawsuits against the City:
A. the red light camera ordinance
Sued and won on the basis of violating due process
Result was citizens still have to pay 4.8 million of public money to the contractors
and are not refunded for tickets paid previously. some of the contested tickets
came from police ordering drivers to run red lights and they still got tickets through the system.
B. the homeless ordinance
religious groups contested this ordinance banning groups from offering assistance to homeless people downtown, unless they were with an organization that met strict criteria such as having a permanent address and other regulations that not all the nonprofit volunteers and ministries could meet. some volunteers were threatened with arrest and fines, which they argued violated their religious freedom to obey their calling to help these people by going to them wherever they were.
I don't think this issue has been resolved.
C. change in marriage benefits and proposed bathroom ordinance under "HERO" (equal rights ordinance)
first the previous Mayor Annise Parker used her executive authority as Mayor to change the city policy to recognize same sex couples in order to extend the same benefits afforded to employees and their spouses who are married, which was argued as violating Texas law that does not recognize same sex marriages.

then the same Mayor not only pushed an ordinance punishing citizens with up to $5000 in fines if they even questioned transgender people in the restroom which counted as harassment (after this was contested repeatedly but ignored) but abused power to reject a valid PETITION to put this to a vote, and cost citizens MORE money to fight in court in order for the Petition to be found valid after the Mayor LIED about the results the City Secretary had confirmed. The vote resulted in the ordinance FAILING to pass, though the same Mayor resolved to keep pushing for this policy.

This push for personal beliefs of one side, while penalizing people of opposing beliefs, cost the taxpayers thousands if not millions of dollars.

I didn't put Freedmen's Town on the list, where the debts and damages go way off the chart.
But it grieves me to no end that our Mayors would waste millions of dollars on political abuse,
when that money could have gone into restoring important national historic landmarks in Houston we
are at risk at losing completely -- not just Freedmen's Town, but also the Astrodome. There is no
funding to save national history, while our city administration has blown millions upon millions of
dollars on politics that has proven destructive and damaging, all at taxpayers expense.

So that is the list I am making to organize a formal public complain against the Democratic Party
for causing damage at both local and federal levels. Ironically, to pay for the damage, it may
take going after the contract money wasted under the Bush administration as part of the contested
war spending that cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. If Republicans go after that corruption under their
own party leadership, I propose they lend it to the Democrats to fix corruption under their leadership.

If we set up a restitution system to bank against debts owed to taxpayers for illicit, abusive or wasteful
spending that wasn't authorized and/or was contested, maybe we can invest CREDITS to develop jobs reforming the health care, VA, prison and education system to accommodate the changes both sides are asking for. If we don't agree on what to change policies to, that's where I call for separate systems by party, and let people fund their own programs as voted on and managed by their own party systems. So there is no need to fight, but everyone can get what they want, fund it directly, and deduct expenses from federal taxes.

No freak. Of transgendered people assaulting women in bathrooms.

Freak.

Hey dipshit, too many. Dipshit.

How many? Got some examples?

 

[Rozman]

Government abuse of power....
Comply or lose federal funding
Comply or be fined
Comply or have charges brought....

We need to fight back against this tyranny.