Obama Confers Immunity (Impunity) On George W. Bush:

[MikeK]

People today throw the words war crimes around almost as loosely as they do hero. The holocaust was a war crime, The Bataan death march was a war crime the people who endured these and survived are hero's. Neither Iraq or Manning qualify as a war crime or a hero.

The perpetrators of the Bataan Death March and the Nazi Pogrom were prosecuted and punished. But how do you categorize the invasion of Iraq if not as a war crime?

The Iraq invasion was implemented via an obviously deceptive criminal conspiracy, which probably could be proved if diligently and competently investigated and prosecuted. Neither the Iraqi military nor any of the Iraqi people ever did a thing to provoke our military aggression against them -- and that includes Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, which was provoked by the brazen theft of Iraqi oil.

Iraq's aggression toward Kuwait was none of our business. In fact, Hussein informed our ambassador, April Glaspie, of his intention, asking if the U.S. had any objection, and was told the U.S. had no interest or objection. We then launched Operation Desert Storm against Iraq, cruelly destroying its army and commencing a process of destroying that nation's infrastructure with nine years of intermittent bombing raids -- all conducted for the spurious purpose of eliminating a non-existent WMD production program.

It is estimated that a million innocent Iraqi civilians were killed as the result of our unprovoked and unnecessary military aggression, many of whom were women and children. Thousands of of little children. So if asked whether or not Americans are baby-killers, can we say no?

If you don't consider what we did to Iraq a war crime with many individual specifications, what does it take?

Denying reality, denying the facts, is not patriotism. It is self-delusion.

 

[blackhawk]

People today throw the words war crimes around almost as loosely as they do hero. The holocaust was a war crime, The Bataan death march was a war crime the people who endured these and survived are hero's. Neither Iraq or Manning qualify as a war crime or a hero.

The perpetrators of the Bataan Death March and the Nazi Pogrom were prosecuted and punished. But how do you categorize the invasion of Iraq if not as a war crime?

The Iraq invasion was implemented via an obviously deceptive criminal conspiracy, which probably could be proved if diligently and competently investigated and prosecuted. Neither the Iraqi military nor any of the Iraqi people ever did a thing to provoke our military aggression against them -- and that includes Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, which was provoked by the brazen theft of Iraqi oil.

Iraq's aggression toward Kuwait was none of our business. In fact, Hussein informed our ambassador, April Glaspie, of his intention, asking if the U.S. had any objection, and was told the U.S. had no interest or objection. We then launched Operation Desert Storm against Iraq, cruelly destroying its army and commencing a process of destroying that nation's infrastructure with nine years of intermittent bombing raids -- all conducted for the spurious purpose of eliminating a non-existent WMD production program.

It is estimated that a million innocent Iraqi civilians were killed as the result of our unprovoked and unnecessary military aggression, many of whom were women and children. Thousands of of little children. So if asked whether or not Americans are baby-killers, can we say no?

If you don't consider what we did to Iraq a war crime with many individual specifications, what does it take?

Denying reality, denying the facts, is not patriotism. It is self-delusion.

Horseshit this has nothing to do with war crimes or justice it's simply about wanting to trash a President and administration you don't like which is your right but don't try and pretend it's anything more than that.

 

[Yurt]

People today throw the words war crimes around almost as loosely as they do hero. The holocaust was a war crime, The Bataan death march was a war crime the people who endured these and survived are hero's. Neither Iraq or Manning qualify as a war crime or a hero.

The perpetrators of the Bataan Death March and the Nazi Pogrom were prosecuted and punished. But how do you categorize the invasion of Iraq if not as a war crime?

The Iraq invasion was implemented via an obviously deceptive criminal conspiracy, which probably could be proved if diligently and competently investigated and prosecuted. Neither the Iraqi military nor any of the Iraqi people ever did a thing to provoke our military aggression against them -- and that includes Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, which was provoked by the brazen theft of Iraqi oil.

Iraq's aggression toward Kuwait was none of our business. In fact, Hussein informed our ambassador, April Glaspie, of his intention, asking if the U.S. had any objection, and was told the U.S. had no interest or objection. We then launched Operation Desert Storm against Iraq, cruelly destroying its army and commencing a process of destroying that nation's infrastructure with nine years of intermittent bombing raids -- all conducted for the spurious purpose of eliminating a non-existent WMD production program.

It is estimated that a million innocent Iraqi civilians were killed as the result of our unprovoked and unnecessary military aggression, many of whom were women and children. Thousands of of little children. So if asked whether or not Americans are baby-killers, can we say no?

If you don't consider what we did to Iraq a war crime with many individual specifications, what does it take?

Denying reality, denying the facts, is not patriotism. It is self-delusion.

you admit you don't even know for a fact what crimes were committed, yet you blindly believe iraq is a war crime.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Snap. Yurt admits he is a reactionary neo-con. Is Bush a war criminal? Was the admin justified at the time for the invasion of Iraq?

 

[Yurt]

Bush and Blair Aren't Guilty of War Crimes in Iraq

Steven Strauss: Bush and Blair Aren't Guilty of War Crimes in Iraq

jake can't refute this so he blabbers about reactionaries

dumb troll

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bush and Blair Aren't Guilty of War Crimes in Iraq

Steven Strauss: Bush and Blair Aren't Guilty of War Crimes in Iraq

jake can't refute this so he blabbers about reactionaries dumb troll

This is what Yurt is running from: "Snap. Yurt admits he is a reactionary neo-con. Is Bush a war criminal? Was the admin justified at the time for the invasion of Iraq?"

Of course Yurt supported Bush in Afghanistan (so did I until he turn a punishment of Taliban and AQ into a nation making exercise) and Iraq.

He won't deny it.

 

[Yurt]

i give you a good article on why bush is not a war criminal and all you can do is lie and claim i did not respond to whether bush is a war criminal?

you're a joke jake, nothing more. btw, the guy who wrote the article is not a neo con. you have nothing to offer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

i give you a good article on why bush is not a war criminal and all you can do is lie and claim i did not respond to whether bush is a war criminal?

you're a joke jake, nothing more. btw, the guy who wrote the article is not a neo con. you have nothing to offer.

The joke is on you, young Yurt. Here is the appropriate answer to your young law professor inexperienced in the word by the big dogs. And you still won't answer whether you supported Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan. So by the doctrine of affirmative silence, why, yes, you did support Bush, while denying Obama the same legitimacy.

You continue out of your league, busher.




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Former U.S. President George W. Bush recently dedicated his Presidential Library in Dallas. The ceremony included speeches by President Obama, ex-President Bush, and every other living ex-president. But none of the speeches so much as mentioned to Iraq war — the undertaking that dominated George W. Bush’s presidency, and will define his historic legacy.

This omission might be due, at least in part, to the fact that Mr. Bush is now a convicted war criminal who dares not travel abroad out of fear of being arrested.

In February 2011, Bush was forced to cancel a scheduled appearance in Geneva, Switzerland after human rights groups filed a criminal complaint charging him with violating international treaties against torture.

His trouble increased dramatically a year ago when Bush — along with former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and several other top Bush administration officials — were convicted of war crimes in absentia by a special war crimes tribunal in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal was convened and conducted according to internationally recognized procedures and rules of evidence, and the week-long hearing ended with the five-member panel unanimously delivering guilty verdicts.

Bush Adminstration Convicted of War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity | Global Research
What is the significance of that tribunal? Is its verdict legally binding? Are there troublesome aspects to the idea that a foreign tribunal can sit in judgment of a U.S. President — whatever we may think of his actions? We will discuss these vitally important questions with Dr. Francis Boyle, a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He served as a prosecutor at the tribunal.
Take time to watch the video, Yurt, to help educate yourself on this issue.

 

[Yurt]

jake supports a terrorist regime convicting bush of war crimes

that alone proves jake is lying when he claims he is republican

nothing in your link contradicts anything my link stated about bush not being a war criminal. you have added nothing as usual.

 

[Vox]

jake supports a terrorist regime convicting bush of war crimes

that alone proves jake is lying when he claims he is republican

nothing in your link contradicts anything my link stated about bush not being a war criminal. you have added nothing as usual.

fakey will support whatever pays.
it is not even a regime - it is a private foundation
this so called "trial" has zero jurisdiction and zero credibility, not to even mention zero importance.
it's a show.

for the fakeys of the world - so they can spread lies and the low information and extremely low intellect libtard voter will consider this crap to be the ultimate truth

The prosecution occurred at the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal Foundation, a private organization chartered under Malaysian law. It has no endorsement from any government worldwide

a theater, in other words - Shakespeare drama of modern times

 

[U2Edge]

(Excerpt)

Days before Bradley - now Chelsea - Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison for helping expose U.S. war crimes in Iraq, the Obama Department of Justice filed a petition in federal court arguing that the perpetrators of those crimes - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al - enjoy “absolute immunity” against criminal charges or civil liability. The filing came in a suit brought by Sundus Shaker Saleh, an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, who alleges that the planning and waging of the Iraq war under false pretenses constituted a "crime of aggression" under a law used in the Nuremberg trials. With neither Congress nor Obama willing to hold Bush & Co. accountable for the Iraq catastrophe, supporters see the suit as a last-chance tactic to force the issue back into the public eye - an effort the Obama adminstration clearly opposes. More, all dispiriting, on the increasingly flawed Bush-Obama-lesser-of-two-evils thesis, and the current culture of impunity.

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Read more here: Obama Gives Bush "Absolute Immunity" For Everything | Common Dreams

The Bush administration is NOT guilty of any crimes in Iraq. The removal of Saddam's regime was necessity regardless of whether certain pieces of intelligence about WMD proved not to be accurate.

In fact, it was a blessing that Saddam did not have stocks of WMD to use against coalition forces in March 2003. This saved a huge number of lives. The US goal after 1991 war was to PREVENT Saddam from rebuilding his WMD capacity, not to wait until he had rebuilt it before doing something about it!

Finally, the invasion in 2003 was simply a continuation of events put in motion by Saddam when he invaded and annexed Kuwait in August 1990. Even after the end of the Gulf War, the United States and Iraq engaged in military activity against each other right up to the time of the invasion in 2003.

The whole engagement involving sanctions, weapons embargo and military action lasted from August 1990 to December 2011 in terms of foreign states being involved in Iraq or on its borders.

Unfortunately, the erosion of sanctions and the weapons embargo after 1998 played a large role in making the invasion and regime change a necessity. Without the key means of containment in place, regime change through invasion was the only option left.