Obama, North Korea, and Iran

[PoliticalChic]

Reality is based on actions, not words.



1. "On Monday, the United Nations released a scathing report on North Korea, strongly criticizing its alleged human rights abuses as without "any parallel in the contemporary world."
The36-page report and its 373-page addendum add gruesome details to what the world already knew or at least suspected: North Korea is a totalitarian state that, as official policy, does some pretty awful things to its citizens and quashes most basic freedoms.
Pyongyang's "crimes against humanity entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons, and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation," the report says.

Pyongyang's "crimes against humanity entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons, and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation," the report says."
North Korea isn't Nazi Germany ? in some ways, it's worse - The Week




2. " The responsibility to protect (RtoP or R2P)... Responsibility to Protect, or Responsibility to Act, as cited by Obama, is a set of principles, now backed by the United Nations, based on the idea that sovereignty is not a privilege but a responsibility that can be revoked if a country is accused of “war crimes,” “genocide,” “crimes against humanity” or “ethnic cleansing.”
Read more at Panetta caught in one-world scheme

"...the World Federalist Movement, promotes democratized global institutions with plenary constitutional power. It is a coordinator and member of Responsibility to Protect, the controversial military doctrine used by Obama as the main justification for U.S. and international airstrikes against Libya."
Panetta caught in one-world scheme

a. Samantha Powers is Obama's UN ambassador....and her views are sympatico with Obamas. They have suggested using R2P to put an army in the sovereign nation of Israel.

"... hostile towards Israel, largely on the basis of statements she made in a 2002 interview with Harry Kreisler. When asked what advice she would give to the president if either the Israelis or Palestinians looked "like they might be moving toward genocide," Power said that the U.S. might consider the deployment of a "mammoth protection force" ... Samantha Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, Obama and the one-world globalists support R2P, deny sovereignty.....yet have no plans to confront North Korea....

Why not?
What's stopping them?




You know what's stopping them:

3. " Experts predominantly assert that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) has developed several nuclear devices but not yet mastered the ability to miniaturize the warhead nor deliver it via missile..... this analytic construct is flawed since, for example, it gives insufficient weight to Pyongyang’s lengthy collaborative nuclear and missile relationship with Pakistan, a country that all experts assess already has nuclear weapons deliverable by missile..... underestimated North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs due to ideologically-driven analysis, political expediency," North Korea: Sanctions, Nuclear and Missile Threat




So....North Korea is an insult to the world......Obama and the UN support incursions into nations that they describe as such......

But the possession of nuclear capability prevents action.

Any disagreement so far?

 

[Mad Scientist]

If the U.N. actually cared about North Korea and their Human Rights abuses they'd call on the South to stop using the Kaesong Joint Manufacturing Facility in N. Korea.

Yes. South Korea uses North Korean Slave Labor for it's products which in turn ships them all over the world to include the USA.

I first learned of this when Obama signed that US-South Korea "Free" Trade Agreement a few years ago. Free for who? Not the N. Korean people that's for sure.

Oh and please encourage your children to join the US Army so they can go and risk their lives guarding the DMZ there in Korea. What a sick joke!

Kaesong Industrial Region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

If the U.N. actually cared about North Korea and their Human Rights abuses they'd call on the South to stop using the Kaesong Joint Manufacturing Facility in N. Korea.

Yes. South Korea uses North Korean Slave Labor for it's products which in turn ships them all over the world to include the USA.

I first learned of this when Obama signed that US-South Korea "Free" Trade Agreement a few years ago. Free for who? Not the N. Korean people that's for sure.

Oh and please encourage your children to join the US Army so they can go and risk their lives guarding the DMZ there in Korea. What a sick joke!

Kaesong Industrial Region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The question being posed is whether or not Obama/ the UN would take further steps against North Korea if it were not a nuclear power.


The answer is both obvious, and essential to the rest of this post.

 

[Siete]

the post is irrelevant

 

[Mad Scientist]

Now, Obama and the one-world globalists support R2P, deny sovereignty.....yet have no plans to confront North Korea....

Why not?
What's stopping them?

Free Trade Agreements. Like the one I already mentioned.

The U.N. is an impotent organization at all levels and should be defunded and booted from the US.

South and North Korea should just continue to work at the reunification process by themselves. Because they know better what the other needs.

You wouldn't want Japan helping out would ya'? So why would the U.N. be any better?

 

[Mad Scientist]

2. " The responsibility to protect (RtoP or R2P)... Responsibility to Protect, or Responsibility to Act, as cited by Obama, is a set of principles, now backed by the United Nations, based on the idea that sovereignty is not a privilege but a responsibility that can be revoked if a country is accused of “war crimes,” “genocide,” “crimes against humanity” or “ethnic cleansing.”
Read more at Panetta caught in one-world scheme

Oh you GOTTA' be f*ckin' kidding me!

That means the U.N. can Invade the US if they find (or think) that we're doing any of that!

Our Sovereignty isn't a Privilege that the U.N. can revoke! Who the f*ck died and made THEM King of the f*ckin' World?

 

[PoliticalChic]

the post is irrelevant

Certainly true to those unencumbered with higher intelligence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. " The responsibility to protect (RtoP or R2P)... Responsibility to Protect, or Responsibility to Act, as cited by Obama, is a set of principles, now backed by the United Nations, based on the idea that sovereignty is not a privilege but a responsibility that can be revoked if a country is accused of “war crimes,” “genocide,” “crimes against humanity” or “ethnic cleansing.”
Read more at Panetta caught in one-world scheme

Oh you GOTTA' be f*ckin' kidding me!

That means the U.N. can Invade the US if they find (or think) that we're doing any of that!

Our Sovereignty isn't a Privilege that the U.N. can revoke! Who the f*ck died and made THEM King of the f*ckin' World?

1. "Meanwhile, a closer look at the Soros-funded Global Center for the Responsibility to Protect is telling. Board members of the group include former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, former Ireland President Mary Robinson and South African activist Desmond Tutu. Robinson and Tutu have recently made solidarity visits to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip as members of a group called The Elders, which includes former President Jimmy Carter.

a. The committee that devised the Responsibility to Protect doctrine included Arab League Secretary General Amre Moussa as well as Palestinian legislator Hanan Ashrawi, a staunch denier of the Holocaust who long served as the deputy of late Palestinian Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat.


b. The Carr Center is a research center concerned with human rights located at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Samantha Power, the National Security Council special adviser to Obama on human rights, was Carr’s founding executive director and headed the institute at the time it advised in the founding of Responsibility to Protect. With Power’s center on the advisory board, the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty first defined the Responsibility to Protect doctrine.



2. In his address to the nation in April explaining the NATO campaign in Libya, Obama cited the doctrine as the main justification for U.S. and international airstrikes against Libya.
Responsibility to Protect, or Responsibility to Act, as cited by Obama, is a set of principles, now backed by the United Nations, based on the idea that sovereignty is not a privilege but a responsibility that can be revoked if a country is accused of “war crimes,” “genocide,” “crimes against humanity” or “ethnic cleansing.”
Why U.S. military in Uganda? Soros fingerprints all over it! Obama’s billionaire friend has interests in African country’s oil « Klein Online
Why U.S. military in Uganda? Soros fingerprints all over it! Obama?s billionaire friend has interests in African country?s oil « Klein Online

 

[Siete]

the post is irrelevant

Certainly true to those unencumbered with higher intelligence.

really ? 6 posts, 4 are yours.. you're stupidly irrelevant at best.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the post is irrelevant

Certainly true to those unencumbered with higher intelligence.

really ? 6 posts, 4 are yours.. you're stupidly irrelevant at best.

Yet....here you are.

 

[jwoodie]

Always good to slum it once in a while in the Politics forum just to remind oneself that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. So....the problem of North Korea is that it is unstable, based on insane leadership, doctrines not consistent with the 21st century.....and....it is nuclear.


See where this is going?




5. 2007...Obama: " The recent NIE tells us that Iran in 2003 halted its effort to design a nuclear weapon. While this does not mean that Iran is no longer a threat to the United States or its allies, it does give us time to conduct aggressive and principled personal diplomacy aimed at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons." Boston.com - Special reports - News

6. 2008: " During the campaign, as Iran has kept building centrifuges to produce nuclear fuel,... Senator Obama has said he would do anything in his power to keep Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon,..." On the Issues: Iran - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times


[He wouldn't reduce sanctions....and give them billions of dollars......would he?]


7. June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region. It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


[...and his interests?]



8. October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region.... it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


[I know we can count on Obama acting in America's best interests..........can't w?]


9. February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; ...

10. November 14, 2011, press conference: "... the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. .... it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


[So....a policy of containment of a nuclear Iran is certainly out of the question.........it seems.]



11. March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.



[And the best way to do that is to do exactly what Iran wants us to do.......?]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait!!! A deal!

Perhaps Obama did it!
Can we see the end of the Iranian nuclear enrichment program? A reduction in the number of centrifuges??

Let's see:



12. November 2013
" Geneva, Switzerland (CNN) -- A historic deal was struck early Sunday between Iran and six world powers over Tehran's nuclear program that slows the country's nuclear development program in exchange for lifting some sanctions while a more formal agreement is worked out.

The agreement -- described as an "initial, six-month" deal -- includes "substantial limitations that will help prevent Iran from creating a nuclear weapon," U.S. President Barack Obama said in a nationally televised address.

Obama warned that if Tehran violates terms of the deal, "We will turn off the relief and ratchet up the pressure."... As part of the deal, according to Zarif, Iran retains the right to nuclear technology, including the enriching of uranium under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons -- which requires it not to create nuclear weapons or enable other countries to obtain them.
In exchange for Iran's concessions, sanctions on its oil revenues will be eased.
Despite the sanctions, Iran today has 19,000 centrifuges and is building more advanced ones, according to Mark Hibbs, a nuclear policy expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace." Obama: Iran nuclear deal limits ability to create nuclear weapons - CNN.com


Again.....Obama: "... if Tehran violates terms of the deal, "We will turn off the relief and ratchet up the pressure."


a. Actually.....a "seven month deal." "President Obama is confirming that the clock starts ticking Jan. 20 on a six-month nuclear deal with Iran, which has agreed to temporarily limit uranium enrichment in exchange for a loosening of sanctions." Obama: Six-month deal with Iran starts Jan. 20


That doesn't mean we'll extend the benefits for Iran......does it?


Obama sure snuckered Iran, didn't he.....But.....look at this:

b. " Iran President Hassan Rouhani endorsed the agreement in a nationally broadcast speech Sunday, saying the accord recognizes Iran's "nuclear rights" even if that precise language was kept from the final document because of Western resistance.
"No matter what interpretations are given, Iran's right to enrichment has been recognized," said Rouhani,...."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/24/deal-reached-on-iranian-nuclear-program/




Iran's right to enrichment has been recognized,

By whom?

Oh.....by Obama.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait!!! A deal!

Perhaps Obama did it!
Can we see the end of the Iranian nuclear enrichment program? A reduction in the number of centrifuges??

Let's see:



12. November 2013
" Geneva, Switzerland (CNN) -- A historic deal was struck early Sunday between Iran and six world powers over Tehran's nuclear program that slows the country's nuclear development program in exchange for lifting some sanctions while a more formal agreement is worked out.

The agreement -- described as an "initial, six-month" deal -- includes "substantial limitations that will help prevent Iran from creating a nuclear weapon," U.S. President Barack Obama said in a nationally televised address.

Obama warned that if Tehran violates terms of the deal, "We will turn off the relief and ratchet up the pressure."... As part of the deal, according to Zarif, Iran retains the right to nuclear technology, including the enriching of uranium under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons -- which requires it not to create nuclear weapons or enable other countries to obtain them.
In exchange for Iran's concessions, sanctions on its oil revenues will be eased.
Despite the sanctions, Iran today has 19,000 centrifuges and is building more advanced ones, according to Mark Hibbs, a nuclear policy expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace." Obama: Iran nuclear deal limits ability to create nuclear weapons - CNN.com


Again.....Obama: "... if Tehran violates terms of the deal, "We will turn off the relief and ratchet up the pressure."


a. Actually.....a "seven month deal." "President Obama is confirming that the clock starts ticking Jan. 20 on a six-month nuclear deal with Iran, which has agreed to temporarily limit uranium enrichment in exchange for a loosening of sanctions." Obama: Six-month deal with Iran starts Jan. 20


That doesn't mean we'll extend the benefits for Iran......does it?


Obama sure snuckered Iran, didn't he.....But.....look at this:

b. " Iran President Hassan Rouhani endorsed the agreement in a nationally broadcast speech Sunday, saying the accord recognizes Iran's "nuclear rights" even if that precise language was kept from the final document because of Western resistance.
"No matter what interpretations are given, Iran's right to enrichment has been recognized," said Rouhani,...."
US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress | Fox News




Iran's right to enrichment has been recognized,

By whom?

Oh.....by Obama.....



Only two possibilities.....either Obama is a real dunce.......

.....or........

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

...or...
Let's be real. Anyone with a brain recognized from the outset that this Obama fraud is nothing but an empty suit with no leadership qualifications or experience. Faux black, faux leader. Just a self-promoting mouthpiece preying on the guilt of whites and bigotry of blacks.
God help us.

 

[PoliticalChic]

...or...
Let's be real. Anyone with a brain recognized from the outset that this Obama fraud is nothing but an empty suit with no leadership qualifications or experience. Faux black, faux leader. Just a self-promoting mouthpiece preying on the guilt of whites and bigotry of blacks.
God help us.

"...Obama fraud is nothing but an empty suit with no leadership qualifications...."

Actually.....I believe there is a plan behind it all....



Let's get to the bottom of this! If we didn't get an end to Iran's nuclear enrichment program....or even a reduction in the number of centrifuges.......what was the plan?



And....could Obama find any other way to help Iran.......

13. " Obama Urges Congress Not To Impose On New Iran Sanctions" Obama Urges Congress Not To Impose On New Iran Sanctions

Well....at least we know the time until Iran gives in is only seven months....Obama lied and said six......now there had better be some movement!!!!





14. Uh oh.....And then the next shoe dropped:

" In the midst of all the “false crises” that the White House worries people will fret over, another crisis got yet another deferral. In a development that should surprise no one at all, the P5+1 group allowed Iran a four-month extension over the weekend on a deadline for a deal on full transparency on its nuclear program.

Not only did Iran get a four-month extension, it also got access to another $2.8 billion in badly-needed cash — assets that were being used for leverage to force Iran to comply with its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty....

When deadlines arrive, they renege and claim either that they need more time, or that the P5+1 hasn’t delivered on their end of the bargain. The West extends deadlines and discusses how they can sweeten the deal." Former Obama administration officials blast extension for Iran « Hot Air

What???? Give them another half year or so?????

By now....everyone should be able to see the plan!




Even Obama's former aides are catching on to the real deal:

15. " It is stunning that two of the president’s former top advisers on the subject have so obviously lost faith in the president’s handling of negotiations and have openly embraced the same measure virtually all Republicans and a large number of Democrats have advocated. The White House has called those pushing for additional sanctions to increase pressure on Iran “war mongers.”
Iran extension blasted ? by ex-Obama senior officials - The Washington Post





Every one knows what a lying scoundrel Obama is.....
But few have connected the dots: his aim is to allow Iran to become nuclear, another North Korea.

You still say 'no'????

Then , how would the linked quotes in this thread be any different if Obama had stated all along that a nuclear Iran is exactly what he planned?
How?


Remember how this thread began:
Reality is based on actions, not words.
A liar just lies.....a dullard believes the lies.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

That's 'Being There' territory. I don't think our boy is that bright to be anywhere near that calculating. He is very much like councilmen and school administrators here in affirmative action land of PG County, MD. Talk a lot, have meetings, act important and do nothing while everything falls apart around you. But they don't worry because their legacy is that the gov will come take care of it all like the cavalry. Problem is obama IS the cavalry now.
We're fucked.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That's 'Being There' territory. I don't think our boy is that bright to be anywhere near that calculating. He is very much like councilmen and school administrators here in affirmative action land of PG County, MD. Talk a lot, have meetings, act important and do nothing while everything falls apart around you. But they don't worry because their legacy is that the gov will come take care of it all like the cavalry. Problem is obama IS the cavalry now.
We're fucked.

"That's 'Being There' territory."

You must be a reader.....that's Kosinski!!!

The non-readers.....Liberals.



But....as I asked in the post......how would it be any different if Obama has said all along that his plan was to make certain that Iran became a nuclear power?

 

[shart_attack]

...or...
Let's be real. Anyone with a brain recognized from the outset that this Obama fraud is nothing but an empty suit with no leadership qualifications or experience. Faux black, faux leader. Just a self-promoting mouthpiece preying on the guilt of whites and bigotry of blacks.
God help us.

"...Obama fraud is nothing but an empty suit with no leadership qualifications...."

Actually.....I believe there is a plan behind it all....

Let's get to the bottom of this! If we didn't get an end to Iran's nuclear enrichment program....or even a reduction in the number of centrifuges.......what was the plan?

And....could Obama find any other way to help Iran.......

13. " Obama Urges Congress Not To Impose On New Iran Sanctions" Obama Urges Congress Not To Impose On New Iran Sanctions

Well....at least we know the time until Iran gives in is only seven months....Obama lied and said six......now there had better be some movement!!!!

14. Uh oh.....And then the next shoe dropped:

" In the midst of all the “false crises” that the White House worries people will fret over, another crisis got yet another deferral. In a development that should surprise no one at all, the P5+1 group allowed Iran a four-month extension over the weekend on a deadline for a deal on full transparency on its nuclear program.

Not only did Iran get a four-month extension, it also got access to another $2.8 billion in badly-needed cash — assets that were being used for leverage to force Iran to comply with its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty....

When deadlines arrive, they renege and claim either that they need more time, or that the P5+1 hasn’t delivered on their end of the bargain. The West extends deadlines and discusses how they can sweeten the deal." Former Obama administration officials blast extension for Iran « Hot Air

What???? Give them another half year or so?????

By now....everyone should be able to see the plan!

Even Obama's former aides are catching on to the real deal:

15. " It is stunning that two of the president’s former top advisers on the subject have so obviously lost faith in the president’s handling of negotiations and have openly embraced the same measure virtually all Republicans and a large number of Democrats have advocated. The White House has called those pushing for additional sanctions to increase pressure on Iran “war mongers.”

Iran extension blasted ? by ex-Obama senior officials - The Washington Post

Every one knows what a lying scoundrel Obama is.....
But few have connected the dots: his aim is to allow Iran to become nuclear, another North Korea.

You still say 'no'????

Then , how would the linked quotes in this thread be any different if Obama had stated all along that a nuclear Iran is exactly what he planned?
How?

Remember how this thread began:
Reality is based on actions, not words.
A liar just lies.....a dullard believes the lies.

Sure are lotsa things "dropping" in that post — shoes and whatnot.

Sounds like someone just might be "stripping Obama naked" again:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/362562-stripping-obama-naked.html

Uh. Oh.