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Again you show your complete ignorance of the facts due to your blinding hatred. The BLS surveys 60,000 HOUSEHOLDS!!!!You are a perfect example of how CON$ are so full of hate that they are blinded to the truth and see only what they want to see.
When you clicked on the BLS link you saw that the jobs were listed under the EMPLOYED check box, but in your extreme hate EMPLOYED was blocked out from reaching your brain, thus the highlighted part of your post.
Yes...Typical lib spin. Because you cannot rebut the facts, you dredge up the old hate card.
Eddie, you're out of gas here.
I don't care about check boxes or cereal boxes. The BLS stats do not prove anything. They are an estimate based on straw polling of employers. The numbers are a guess.
And the BLS STILL does not calculate nor will it ever, the NET gain or loss of actual employed.
These BLS numbers mean very little in face of public perception. If the people generally feel good about jobs and the economy, they will vote for the incumbent. If they do not, which is the current perception, they will blame the incumbent.
Whether you want to accept this fact or not, jobs and the weak economy are going to be campaign issues which Obama is going to have to defend. This will be difficult.
So you can carry on spewing numbers that are designed to make Obama look good all day long. It's not going to change a thing. The American people are going to vote with their bank accounts and job prospects in mind.
Have you bothered to examine as to why Obama and his people are trying to get social issues out in front of the voters?
But thank you for admitting that the CON$ervoFascist plan is to lie about the economy in hope of controlling public perception with their CON$ervoFascist lies.
Of course you do!Again you show your complete ignorance of the facts due to your blinding hatred. The BLS surveys 60,000 HOUSEHOLDS!!!!Yes...Typical lib spin. Because you cannot rebut the facts, you dredge up the old hate card.
Eddie, you're out of gas here.
I don't care about check boxes or cereal boxes. The BLS stats do not prove anything. They are an estimate based on straw polling of employers. The numbers are a guess.
And the BLS STILL does not calculate nor will it ever, the NET gain or loss of actual employed.
These BLS numbers mean very little in face of public perception. If the people generally feel good about jobs and the economy, they will vote for the incumbent. If they do not, which is the current perception, they will blame the incumbent.
Whether you want to accept this fact or not, jobs and the weak economy are going to be campaign issues which Obama is going to have to defend. This will be difficult.
So you can carry on spewing numbers that are designed to make Obama look good all day long. It's not going to change a thing. The American people are going to vote with their bank accounts and job prospects in mind.
Have you bothered to examine as to why Obama and his people are trying to get social issues out in front of the voters?
But thank you for admitting that the CON$ervoFascist plan is to lie about the economy in hope of controlling public perception with their CON$ervoFascist lies.
No one has to lie about the economy to know that we are in bad shape, even if we take Obama's numbers as he presents them it sucks. You are the one lying, trying to tell us the economy is doing so much better than even Obama says. There is a reason Obama is taking about all this other crap "war on women" "gay marriage" talking points for the clones
That would be an opinion, not "evidence".
And not even your own opinion - its someone else's, that you're just agreeing with, because you want to believe it.
And CON$ervoFascists need this great country to fail to satisfy their all consuming hate.Actually, us conservatives wish that it was, but sadly...it is recovering at such a slow pace that noone can really notice a recovery at all. To turn it around on you...You wish!!!!! Because your messiah needs it to and it is just not happening. Happy November to you!!!
Yep obama needs the economy to recover
Who issues the unemployment numbers the BLS?
See, you don't even know that, how are you claiming the data is manipulated?
Why do you keep dodging the question of how the numbers are supposedly manipulated?
Who issues the unemployment numbers the BLS?
See, you don't even know that, how are you claiming the data is manipulated?
Why do you keep dodging the question of how the numbers are supposedly manipulated?
Who issues the numbers of the bls? that's not a dodge on my part but yours.
We can actually test some things here. Mr. Williams claims that he is taking the U-6 measurement and adding in people who would be classified as Discouraged except that they haven't looked for work in over a year and adding them, and only them, in raises the UE rate to 22.3% for April. He doesn't do his own collection and relies entirely on BLS data.Shadow Government Statistics : Home Page
Have you ever wondered why the CPI, GDP and employment numbers run counter to your personal and business experiences? The problem lies in biased and often-manipulated government reporting.
All the data can be found at obama's labor department got it.We can actually test some things here. Mr. Williams claims that he is taking the U-6 measurement and adding in people who would be classified as Discouraged except that they haven't looked for work in over a year and adding them, and only them, in raises the UE rate to 22.3% for April. He doesn't do his own collection and relies entirely on BLS data.Shadow Government Statistics : Home Page
Have you ever wondered why the CPI, GDP and employment numbers run counter to your personal and business experiences? The problem lies in biased and often-manipulated government reporting.
So...our terms:
Unemployed: wants to work, available to work, actively looked for work previous 4 weeks.
Labor Force: Employed + Unemployed
Marginally Attached (includes Discouraged): wants to work, available to work, actively looked in previous 12 months but not previous 4 weeks. Discouraged stop looking due to the specific reason of believing they'd be unsuccessful.
Part Time for Economic Reasons: wants to and can work 35+ hours but worked < 35 hours due to slack business or couldn't find full time work.
Unemployed (U) = 12,500,000
Labor Force (L) = 154,365,000
Marginally Attached (M) = 2,363,000 (968,000 Discouraged)
Part Time for Economic Reasons (P) = 7,853,000
All data can be found at www.bls.gov/new.release/empsit.toc.htm and I'm using seasonally adjusted except for Marginally Attached.
So the U-6 is (U+M+P)/(L+M) = (12,500,000+2,363,000+7,853,000)/(154,365,000+2363,000) = 22,716,000/156,728,000 = 14.5%
Now we add in X, Mr Williams' claimed Discouraged over 1 year:
(22,716,000+X)/(156,728,000+X) = 0.223
Solve for X and we get 15,746,000 as the number of people he's adding in. He's claiming there are 15,746,000 people who want to work, are available to work, but quit looking over a year ago because they don't believe they'll find work.
hmmmm one problem. Looking at Tabke A-1 we see that there are only 6,366,000 people not already counted as Unemployed who say they want to work. Subtracting the Marginally Attached from that category, we have him adding 11,743,000 people more than those who say they want to work. How does that work? 11.7 million people who say they don't want to work but really do and quit searching due to discouragement? Seriously?
See, you don't even know that, how are you claiming the data is manipulated?
Why do you keep dodging the question of how the numbers are supposedly manipulated?
Who issues the numbers of the bls? that's not a dodge on my part but yours.
BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
Who issues the numbers of the bls? that's not a dodge on my part but yours.
BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
All the data can be found at obama's labor department got it.We can actually test some things here. Mr. Williams claims that he is taking the U-6 measurement and adding in people who would be classified as Discouraged except that they haven't looked for work in over a year and adding them, and only them, in raises the UE rate to 22.3% for April. He doesn't do his own collection and relies entirely on BLS data.Shadow Government Statistics : Home Page
Have you ever wondered why the CPI, GDP and employment numbers run counter to your personal and business experiences? The problem lies in biased and often-manipulated government reporting.
So...our terms:
Unemployed: wants to work, available to work, actively looked for work previous 4 weeks.
Labor Force: Employed + Unemployed
Marginally Attached (includes Discouraged): wants to work, available to work, actively looked in previous 12 months but not previous 4 weeks. Discouraged stop looking due to the specific reason of believing they'd be unsuccessful.
Part Time for Economic Reasons: wants to and can work 35+ hours but worked < 35 hours due to slack business or couldn't find full time work.
Unemployed (U) = 12,500,000
Labor Force (L) = 154,365,000
Marginally Attached (M) = 2,363,000 (968,000 Discouraged)
Part Time for Economic Reasons (P) = 7,853,000
All data can be found at www.bls.gov/new.release/empsit.toc.htm and I'm using seasonally adjusted except for Marginally Attached.
So the U-6 is (U+M+P)/(L+M) = (12,500,000+2,363,000+7,853,000)/(154,365,000+2363,000) = 22,716,000/156,728,000 = 14.5%
Now we add in X, Mr Williams' claimed Discouraged over 1 year:
(22,716,000+X)/(156,728,000+X) = 0.223
Solve for X and we get 15,746,000 as the number of people he's adding in. He's claiming there are 15,746,000 people who want to work, are available to work, but quit looking over a year ago because they don't believe they'll find work.
hmmmm one problem. Looking at Tabke A-1 we see that there are only 6,366,000 people not already counted as Unemployed who say they want to work. Subtracting the Marginally Attached from that category, we have him adding 11,743,000 people more than those who say they want to work. How does that work? 11.7 million people who say they don't want to work but really do and quit searching due to discouragement? Seriously?
BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
And is Obama actually doing the manipulation? NO...he is directing his minions to do it.
Because that's what the proceedures and laws are. The week of release the BLS office that produces the Employment Situation goes on lock-down, with no one except those working directly with the data are authorized in the office space without escort. The day before release, when all the numbers have been crunched, the program office meets with the BLS press officer and the commissioner to go over the release, the commissioner signs off and the report is sent to publications. BY LAW, the only other person authorized a pre-publication copy is the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and he can share it with the President. But he only gets it the night before release. Statistical Policy Directive No. 3 para 5Who issues the numbers of the bls? that's not a dodge on my part but yours.
BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
And is Obama actually doing the manipulation? NO...he is directing his minions to do it.
Because that's what the proceedures and laws are. The week of release the BLS office that produces the Employment Situation goes on lock-down, with no one except those working directly with the data are authorized in the office space without escort. The day before release, when all the numbers have been crunched, the program office meets with the BLS press officer and the commissioner to go over the release, the commissioner signs off and the report is sent to publications. BY LAW, the only other person authorized a pre-publication copy is the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and he can share it with the President. But he only gets it the night before release. Statistical Policy Directive No. 3 para 5BLS does, of course. But you knew that. What's your point except to assert that the President can make them say what he wants. But how? He doesn't know what the numbers are until release.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
The President does not necessarily get it until public release. But in any case, there's no time to make any changes.
How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
And is Obama actually doing the manipulation? NO...he is directing his minions to do it.
And your evidence is????????
But you have no evidence that the laws and policies are actually being broken. You're just asserting that they must be.Because that's what the proceedures and laws are. The week of release the BLS office that produces the Employment Situation goes on lock-down, with no one except those working directly with the data are authorized in the office space without escort. The day before release, when all the numbers have been crunched, the program office meets with the BLS press officer and the commissioner to go over the release, the commissioner signs off and the report is sent to publications. BY LAW, the only other person authorized a pre-publication copy is the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and he can share it with the President. But he only gets it the night before release. Statistical Policy Directive No. 3 para 5How do you know when the numbers are given too obama? you ACTUALLY THINK THEY KEEP THE NUMBERS CONCEALED FROM HIM UNTIL THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC?
The President does not necessarily get it until public release. But in any case, there's no time to make any changes.
Since when do politician;s hold too the law?
Nope. Evidence for what? That something is not happening? How does that work?And is Obama actually doing the manipulation? NO...he is directing his minions to do it.
And your evidence is????????
After you show the evidence to BigReb's questions YOU seem to be skirting at every turn.
Get it?
Nope. Evidence for what? That something is not happening? How does that work?And your evidence is????????
After you show the evidence to BigReb's questions YOU seem to be skirting at every turn.
Get it?
Nope. Evidence for what? That something is not happening? How does that work?After you show the evidence to BigReb's questions YOU seem to be skirting at every turn.
Get it?
I rest my case.
