Obama: ‘Simply Locking People Up Doesn’t Make Communities Safer’

[frigidweirdo]

Does it?

The states with the highest homicide rates are 1) Louisiana, 2) Mississippi, 3) Missouri, 4) South Carolina, 5) Maryland

The states with the highest incarceration rates are 1) Louisiana, 2) Oklahoma, 3) Mississippi, 4) Alabama, 5) Georgia

So, number one and two for murder and numbers one and three for incarceration. Missouri is 14th, South Carolina 19th.

Does this look like more incarceration leads to less crime? Doesn't to me.

Those states have more black people than other states.

There are lots of things we could say about the states.

Mississippi is the most religious state, and still has high crime and high incarceration. Are we going to say that it is religion that makes people commit crimes?

Mississippi Most Religious State, Vermont Least Religious

Louisiana is the fourth most religious, Alabama, South Carolina, etc are at the top too.

At the bottom you have places like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine etc.

Maine has the lowest incarceration rates, Vermont is 5th, New Hampshire is 7th.

So it would seem that religion and incarceration go hand in hand.

Population Distribution by Race/Ethnicity

As to whether blacks are there, well...

Mississippi has the most black people, and then yes, again it goes down the list of states who have high crime and high incarceration.

Then again it could have something to do with whether you have lots of Republicans or not.

Louisiana has house and senate Republican
Oklahoma has governor, house and senate Republican
Mississippi has governor, house and senate Republican
Alabama has governor, house and senate Republican
Georgia has governor, house and senate Republican
Texas has governor, house and senate Republican
Arizona has governor, house and senate Republican
Arkansas has governor, house and senate Republican
Florida has governor, house and senate Republican
New Mexico has has governor, house Republican

And then you get to Delaware which is all Democrat.

So the TOP TEN states for incarceration have at least two of three elected power bodies that are Republican, and only two of them have two, the rest have three.

Seems to be a policy of the right to incarcerate.

Did the crimes rates increase with the election of Republicans?

You're not thinking about this properly are you?

Crime rates don't happen just because a Republican, or Republicans are there in charge. Just as Obama didn't cause the massive recession simply because he was in office.
These are the impact of years and years of policies. But Republican policies are more likely to be as we're seeing on this forum now. The negative "everyone can make it in the USA" (so we'll leave them alone and not give them good education and basically not bother doing much at all) sort of attitude.

You're the one that brought up Republican majority state governments.

Yes, and MY point here is that Republican POLICY is one which leads to more locking up and less being pro-active in making lives better, and not "Republicans go in therefore from day one crime should instantly rise"

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Those states have more black people than other states.

There are lots of things we could say about the states.

Mississippi is the most religious state, and still has high crime and high incarceration. Are we going to say that it is religion that makes people commit crimes?

Mississippi Most Religious State, Vermont Least Religious

Louisiana is the fourth most religious, Alabama, South Carolina, etc are at the top too.

At the bottom you have places like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine etc.

Maine has the lowest incarceration rates, Vermont is 5th, New Hampshire is 7th.

So it would seem that religion and incarceration go hand in hand.

Population Distribution by Race/Ethnicity

As to whether blacks are there, well...

Mississippi has the most black people, and then yes, again it goes down the list of states who have high crime and high incarceration.

Then again it could have something to do with whether you have lots of Republicans or not.

Louisiana has house and senate Republican
Oklahoma has governor, house and senate Republican
Mississippi has governor, house and senate Republican
Alabama has governor, house and senate Republican
Georgia has governor, house and senate Republican
Texas has governor, house and senate Republican
Arizona has governor, house and senate Republican
Arkansas has governor, house and senate Republican
Florida has governor, house and senate Republican
New Mexico has has governor, house Republican

And then you get to Delaware which is all Democrat.

So the TOP TEN states for incarceration have at least two of three elected power bodies that are Republican, and only two of them have two, the rest have three.

Seems to be a policy of the right to incarcerate.

Did the crimes rates increase with the election of Republicans?

You're not thinking about this properly are you?

Crime rates don't happen just because a Republican, or Republicans are there in charge. Just as Obama didn't cause the massive recession simply because he was in office.
These are the impact of years and years of policies. But Republican policies are more likely to be as we're seeing on this forum now. The negative "everyone can make it in the USA" (so we'll leave them alone and not give them good education and basically not bother doing much at all) sort of attitude.

You're the one that brought up Republican majority state governments.

Yes, and MY point here is that Republican POLICY is one which leads to more locking up and less being pro-active in making lives better, and not "Republicans go in therefore from day one crime should instantly rise"

Republican policy doesn't cause people to break the law.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Republican policy doesn't cause people to break the law.

Correct and yet Democratic policy seems to enhance criminal behavior. Look at DC, Chicago, Baltimore....

 

[JQPublic1]

There are lots of things we could say about the states.

Mississippi is the most religious state, and still has high crime and high incarceration. Are we going to say that it is religion that makes people commit crimes?

Mississippi Most Religious State, Vermont Least Religious

Louisiana is the fourth most religious, Alabama, South Carolina, etc are at the top too.

At the bottom you have places like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine etc.

Maine has the lowest incarceration rates, Vermont is 5th, New Hampshire is 7th.

So it would seem that religion and incarceration go hand in hand.

Population Distribution by Race/Ethnicity

As to whether blacks are there, well...

Mississippi has the most black people, and then yes, again it goes down the list of states who have high crime and high incarceration.

Then again it could have something to do with whether you have lots of Republicans or not.

Louisiana has house and senate Republican
Oklahoma has governor, house and senate Republican
Mississippi has governor, house and senate Republican
Alabama has governor, house and senate Republican
Georgia has governor, house and senate Republican
Texas has governor, house and senate Republican
Arizona has governor, house and senate Republican
Arkansas has governor, house and senate Republican
Florida has governor, house and senate Republican
New Mexico has has governor, house Republican

And then you get to Delaware which is all Democrat.

So the TOP TEN states for incarceration have at least two of three elected power bodies that are Republican, and only two of them have two, the rest have three.

Seems to be a policy of the right to incarcerate.

Did the crimes rates increase with the election of Republicans?

You're not thinking about this properly are you?

Crime rates don't happen just because a Republican, or Republicans are there in charge. Just as Obama didn't cause the massive recession simply because he was in office.
These are the impact of years and years of policies. But Republican policies are more likely to be as we're seeing on this forum now. The negative "everyone can make it in the USA" (so we'll leave them alone and not give them good education and basically not bother doing much at all) sort of attitude.

You're the one that brought up Republican majority state governments.

Yes, and MY point here is that Republican POLICY is one which leads to more locking up and less being pro-active in making lives better, and not "Republicans go in therefore from day one crime should instantly rise"

Republican policy doesn't cause people to break the law.

Yes, GOP policy does cause people to break the law.Unemployment seems to rise precipitously during republican administrations. Have you forgotten on whose watch the Great Depression was born? And surely the latest republican attack on the USA economy is fresh in your memory. Have you forgotten Bush's Wars, tax cuts for the rich and sub-Prime lending that nearly destroyed our economic infrastructure? Those events sent the stock market into a tailspin and many people lost their life's savings and liquid assets. The middle class was nearly decimated ; entire families were uprooted from their homes; I saw White families living under highway overpasses. These are the ways republican policies contribute to an increase in crime.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are lots of things we could say about the states.

Mississippi is the most religious state, and still has high crime and high incarceration. Are we going to say that it is religion that makes people commit crimes?

Mississippi Most Religious State, Vermont Least Religious

Louisiana is the fourth most religious, Alabama, South Carolina, etc are at the top too.

At the bottom you have places like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine etc.

Maine has the lowest incarceration rates, Vermont is 5th, New Hampshire is 7th.

So it would seem that religion and incarceration go hand in hand.

Population Distribution by Race/Ethnicity

As to whether blacks are there, well...

Mississippi has the most black people, and then yes, again it goes down the list of states who have high crime and high incarceration.

Then again it could have something to do with whether you have lots of Republicans or not.

Louisiana has house and senate Republican
Oklahoma has governor, house and senate Republican
Mississippi has governor, house and senate Republican
Alabama has governor, house and senate Republican
Georgia has governor, house and senate Republican
Texas has governor, house and senate Republican
Arizona has governor, house and senate Republican
Arkansas has governor, house and senate Republican
Florida has governor, house and senate Republican
New Mexico has has governor, house Republican

And then you get to Delaware which is all Democrat.

So the TOP TEN states for incarceration have at least two of three elected power bodies that are Republican, and only two of them have two, the rest have three.

Seems to be a policy of the right to incarcerate.

Did the crimes rates increase with the election of Republicans?

You're not thinking about this properly are you?

Crime rates don't happen just because a Republican, or Republicans are there in charge. Just as Obama didn't cause the massive recession simply because he was in office.
These are the impact of years and years of policies. But Republican policies are more likely to be as we're seeing on this forum now. The negative "everyone can make it in the USA" (so we'll leave them alone and not give them good education and basically not bother doing much at all) sort of attitude.

You're the one that brought up Republican majority state governments.

Yes, and MY point here is that Republican POLICY is one which leads to more locking up and less being pro-active in making lives better, and not "Republicans go in therefore from day one crime should instantly rise"

Republican policy doesn't cause people to break the law.

No? Then why do Republican states have more crime?

Crime average of states with a Republican governor and Republican house and senate (or like Nebraska, a majority of Republicans in its unicamera)
3107.4

Crime average of states with 2 out of three Republicans
2788.5

Crime average of states with 1 out of three Republicans
2521.0

Crime average of states with 0 Republicans
2700.3

What do you see?
I see higher crime in states with a Republican governor and Republican legislature. Do you?

Why do they have more crime if they're always "tough on crime" and their policies don't cause more crime????

 

[Weatherman2020]

Obama: 'Simply Locking People Up Doesn't Make Communities Safer' - Breitbart

I think every felon should be pardoned, handed a new cutlery set as a gift, and given a room in a Democrats home until they can get back on their feet.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Republican policy doesn't cause people to break the law.

Correct and yet Democratic policy seems to enhance criminal behavior. Look at DC, Chicago, Baltimore....

Most large cities have Democratic mayors

City Mayors: US Mayors

33 of the mayors on this list are Democrat.
12 are Republican
6 either don't say or are independent or non-partisan.

The largest city with a Republican on this list in in San Diego which There doesn't seem to be much difference here other than Democrats will end up running larger cities.