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Has the cost of health care gotten cheaper? Are doctors, labs, clinics, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals charging less? If the answer to those two questions is no, then how can people magically start affording what was unaffordable? How can they suddenly pay medical expenses with ease? Could the answer be subsidized health care? If the answer is yes, then someone is subsidizing it, to make it easier to pay health care expenses. The ACA ( Obamacare ) takes from some to give to others. While the ACA makes healthcare affordable and less of a financial strain on some, it is also placing an additional burden on others. The ACA ( Obamacare ) is not a "net gain" proposition. Obamacare is NOT a "win win" proposition. Higher cost for some, enables some to be less burdened by health care cost. It's akin to the "Robin Hood" take from the rich to give to the poor.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proofWhen will people stop lying about their personal experiences with the ACA? I'll guess 2017.
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Dear LoneLaugher
There are plenty of places you can argue that ACA is helping people.
There are equal places that have hurt others who get shafted.
Please do not hurt credibility by slamming those real cases.
There are some on both sides. Please respect this.
You are not helping the cause if you trip over the provable cases
as Skullpilot points out.
You make it look like people are in such denial, even rejecting real life
experiences, that you appear only for propaganda that makes the
real cases in support of ACA seem suspect if you only care about facts on one side!
Please don't do this.
Please show respect for real life experiences
if you want pro ACA testimonies to be taken as real and not blind propaganda and BS.
We need to hear from each other if we are going to figure
out what parts of ACA to keep and what needs to be changed.
So we need the feedback to be as accurate as possible
if we are going to fix this and make it work for the peopl eit works for,
and change the parts that aren't working for other people equally.
it is not fair to impose a system that denies equal help to all people
if it is required for all people.
So please encourage truthful reporting and let's use that to figure out
where the problems are so these can be remedied.
Please do not hurt the credibility by rejecting honest feedback
and experiences.
They were already paying for that when ignorant and poor right wingers used the Emergency room as their only source of health care. Everyone knows that.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Thats just great for people who are subsidized.
What about the people who can no longer afford healthcare because they now have to pay for the subsidized bums as well?
You know,the people who actually contribute to society...
Really?if you're going to call me a liar you should post proof
Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Dear LoneLaugher
There are plenty of places you can argue that ACA is helping people.
There are equal places that have hurt others who get shafted.
Please do not hurt credibility by slamming those real cases.
There are some on both sides. Please respect this.
You are not helping the cause if you trip over the provable cases
as Skullpilot points out.
You make it look like people are in such denial, even rejecting real life
experiences, that you appear only for propaganda that makes the
real cases in support of ACA seem suspect if you only care about facts on one side!
Please don't do this.
Please show respect for real life experiences
if you want pro ACA testimonies to be taken as real and not blind propaganda and BS.
We need to hear from each other if we are going to figure
out what parts of ACA to keep and what needs to be changed.
So we need the feedback to be as accurate as possible
if we are going to fix this and make it work for the peopl eit works for,
and change the parts that aren't working for other people equally.
it is not fair to impose a system that denies equal help to all people
if it is required for all people.
So please encourage truthful reporting and let's use that to figure out
where the problems are so these can be remedied.
Please do not hurt the credibility by rejecting honest feedback
and experiences.
I don't reject honest feedback. You believe what you want. My bullshit detector is finely tuned. Got it?
They were already paying for that when ignorant and poor right wingers used the Emergency room as their only source of health care. Everyone knows that.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Thats just great for people who are subsidized.
What about the people who can no longer afford healthcare because they now have to pay for the subsidized bums as well?
You know,the people who actually contribute to society...
They were already paying for that when ignorant and poor right wingers used the Emergency room as their only source of health care. Everyone knows that.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Thats just great for people who are subsidized.
What about the people who can no longer afford healthcare because they now have to pay for the subsidized bums as well?
You know,the people who actually contribute to society...
Really?Your story looks like Swiss cheese, bro.
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Dear LoneLaugher
There are plenty of places you can argue that ACA is helping people.
There are equal places that have hurt others who get shafted.
Please do not hurt credibility by slamming those real cases.
There are some on both sides. Please respect this.
You are not helping the cause if you trip over the provable cases
as Skullpilot points out.
You make it look like people are in such denial, even rejecting real life
experiences, that you appear only for propaganda that makes the
real cases in support of ACA seem suspect if you only care about facts on one side!
Please don't do this.
Please show respect for real life experiences
if you want pro ACA testimonies to be taken as real and not blind propaganda and BS.
We need to hear from each other if we are going to figure
out what parts of ACA to keep and what needs to be changed.
So we need the feedback to be as accurate as possible
if we are going to fix this and make it work for the peopl eit works for,
and change the parts that aren't working for other people equally.
it is not fair to impose a system that denies equal help to all people
if it is required for all people.
So please encourage truthful reporting and let's use that to figure out
where the problems are so these can be remedied.
Please do not hurt the credibility by rejecting honest feedback
and experiences.
I don't reject honest feedback. You believe what you want. My bullshit detector is finely tuned. Got it?
If a program really works then why would people even MAKE UP objections to oppose it.
isn't it clear that if people support it they will support explanations that justify why.
And if people oppose it, they will express their dissent.
Why isn't their dissent good enough to say NO I don't agree to this bill.
When an atheist sues in court over a cross, does the person have to prove
they really are an atheist and really don't believe in Christianity?
Now many people will say that atheists are only choosing not to believe,
but guess what the secular laws go by. If you say you are an atheist
then that is accepted. and differences cannot be imposed but religious freedom must be respected
if that person objects.
Why can't we accept when people object religiously to this bill?
This is very strange. I must be the oddity here that I can see
when people have political beliefs that won't change and
are being crossed, and I want to respect that.
so maybe my "detector" for when someone has a political belief
is finely tuned. And I am sensing these two sides need to be separated
and not imposed on each other. That's the "reading" I have been getting
out of these conversations from day one.
I just find it odd that I am one of the few that sees BOTH sides
as having political beliefs. When will other people recognize this besides me?
Will it catch on, and will more people see that both sides need to have their
own system or they feel their inherent rights are violated? How cruel
to pit them up against each other, like Hindus and Muslims, and force
them to either impose one way or the other "for the whole nation to follow."
When will other people's detectors start to go off besides just mine?
They were already paying for that when ignorant and poor right wingers used the Emergency room as their only source of health care. Everyone knows that.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Thats just great for people who are subsidized.
What about the people who can no longer afford healthcare because they now have to pay for the subsidized bums as well?
You know,the people who actually contribute to society...
Really?
Tell that to my employee who was on her husband's plan that got cancelled
She had no deductible and the only plan I could get for her was one with a 2500 deductible.
They are both on a single plan now because the family plan was ridiculously priced
Bullshit.
Dear LoneLaugher
There are plenty of places you can argue that ACA is helping people.
There are equal places that have hurt others who get shafted.
Please do not hurt credibility by slamming those real cases.
There are some on both sides. Please respect this.
You are not helping the cause if you trip over the provable cases
as Skullpilot points out.
You make it look like people are in such denial, even rejecting real life
experiences, that you appear only for propaganda that makes the
real cases in support of ACA seem suspect if you only care about facts on one side!
Please don't do this.
Please show respect for real life experiences
if you want pro ACA testimonies to be taken as real and not blind propaganda and BS.
We need to hear from each other if we are going to figure
out what parts of ACA to keep and what needs to be changed.
So we need the feedback to be as accurate as possible
if we are going to fix this and make it work for the peopl eit works for,
and change the parts that aren't working for other people equally.
it is not fair to impose a system that denies equal help to all people
if it is required for all people.
So please encourage truthful reporting and let's use that to figure out
where the problems are so these can be remedied.
Please do not hurt the credibility by rejecting honest feedback
and experiences.
I don't reject honest feedback. You believe what you want. My bullshit detector is finely tuned. Got it?
If a program really works then why would people even MAKE UP objections to oppose it.
isn't it clear that if people support it they will support explanations that justify why.
And if people oppose it, they will express their dissent.
Why isn't their dissent good enough to say NO I don't agree to this bill.
When an atheist sues in court over a cross, does the person have to prove
they really are an atheist and really don't believe in Christianity?
Now many people will say that atheists are only choosing not to believe,
but guess what the secular laws go by. If you say you are an atheist
then that is accepted. and differences cannot be imposed but religious freedom must be respected
if that person objects.
Why can't we accept when people object religiously to this bill?
This is very strange. I must be the oddity here that I can see
when people have political beliefs that won't change and
are being crossed, and I want to respect that.
so maybe my "detector" for when someone has a political belief
is finely tuned. And I am sensing these two sides need to be separated
and not imposed on each other. That's the "reading" I have been getting
out of these conversations from day one.
I just find it odd that I am one of the few that sees BOTH sides
as having political beliefs. When will other people recognize this besides me?
Will it catch on, and will more people see that both sides need to have their
own system or they feel their inherent rights are violated? How cruel
to pit them up against each other, like Hindus and Muslims, and force
them to either impose one way or the other "for the whole nation to follow."
When will other people's detectors start to go off besides just mine?
Damn....you are wordy.
ACA horror stories are now a meme. A few people have had to change plans and fewer have had to change doctors. Some have had to spend a bit more.......but the reason for that lies with the insurance companies...not the law.
When someone states their gripe in terms that are believable.....then I will believe them. Simple.
Has the cost of health care gotten cheaper? Are doctors, labs, clinics, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals charging less? If the answer to those two questions is no, then how can people magically start affording what was unaffordable? How can they suddenly pay medical expenses with ease? Could the answer be subsidized health care? If the answer is yes, then someone is subsidizing it, to make it easier to pay health care expenses. The ACA ( Obamacare ) takes from some to give to others. While the ACA makes healthcare affordable and less of a financial strain on some, it is also placing an additional burden on others. The ACA ( Obamacare ) is not a "net gain" proposition. Obamacare is NOT a "win win" proposition. Higher cost for some, enables some to be less burdened by health care cost. It's akin to the "Robin Hood" take from the rich to give to the poor.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Has the cost of health care gotten cheaper? Are doctors, labs, clinics, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals charging less? If the answer to those two questions is no, then how can people magically start affording what was unaffordable? How can they suddenly pay medical expenses with ease? Could the answer be subsidized health care? If the answer is yes, then someone is subsidizing it, to make it easier to pay health care expenses. The ACA ( Obamacare ) takes from some to give to others. While the ACA makes healthcare affordable and less of a financial strain on some, it is also placing an additional burden on others. The ACA ( Obamacare ) is not a "net gain" proposition. Obamacare is NOT a "win win" proposition. Higher cost for some, enables some to be less burdened by health care cost. It's akin to the "Robin Hood" take from the rich to give to the poor.Fewer People Are Having Trouble Paying Medical Bills Thanks To Obamacare
Just incredible! How will the GOP spin this to be "BAD....JUST BAD!"
They better start planning a good rebuttal for 2016, or they will again be an also ran....
Was just watching an interview with Atul Gawande where he talked about how health care costs have been flat, have not increased, since ObamaCare was enacted.
ALL insurance works the same way - those who do not file claims subsidize those who do. That's true of your car insurance, which you are required to have, as well as the insurance you have on your home.
A difference now is that you have to buy health insurance instead of getting it free (subsidized by taxpayers) at the ER.
OTOH, EMTALA is still available and there is no real penalty for not buying health care insurance.