On the Ban a thought:

[boedicca]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

Is this an alternative fact?

Obama put allowing refugees from Iraq into the U.S. for 6 months in 2011.

It's history. You could learn about it all by yourself if you had the intellectual capacity to do so.

When you stoop to insult, you let yourself and your point down.

I have a strong back and thighs. Stooping to your level doesn't hurt me at all, but thank you for your concern.

 

[boedicca]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

Is this an alternative fact?

Obama put allowing refugees from Iraq into the U.S. for 6 months in 2011.

It's history. You could learn about it all by yourself if you had the intellectual capacity to do so.

Totally different situation, its apples and oranges

No, it's not.

Obama put accepting Iraqi refugees on hold for six months in 2011.

Trump has put accepting refugees from seven countries (SELECTED BY OBAMA IN 2015 for visa restrictions) on hold for 90 to 120 days in order to revise the program for evaluating those accepted for immigration to the U.S.

Pretty much the same intent, although Trump is more serious about making the program effective.

Vastly different and you know it... Being wilfully ignorant is not a defense...

The only material difference is that Obama was President in 2011, and Trump is President in 2017. Period.

 

[NoNukes]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

Is this an alternative fact?

Obama put allowing refugees from Iraq into the U.S. for 6 months in 2011.

It's history. You could learn about it all by yourself if you had the intellectual capacity to do so.

When you stoop to insult, you let yourself and your point down.

I have a strong back and thighs. Stooping to your level doesn't hurt me at all, but thank you for your concern.

Too bad your cranial area is not stronger.

 

[boedicca]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

Is this an alternative fact?

Obama put allowing refugees from Iraq into the U.S. for 6 months in 2011.

It's history. You could learn about it all by yourself if you had the intellectual capacity to do so.

When you stoop to insult, you let yourself and your point down.

I have a strong back and thighs. Stooping to your level doesn't hurt me at all, but thank you for your concern.

Too bad your cranial area is not stronger.

Too bad you are too intellectually limited to recognize proper and cognitively sound viewpoints.

 

[fncceo]

Did Jews vote Trump?

This one did.

 

[NoNukes]

Is this an alternative fact?

Obama put allowing refugees from Iraq into the U.S. for 6 months in 2011.

It's history. You could learn about it all by yourself if you had the intellectual capacity to do so.

When you stoop to insult, you let yourself and your point down.

I have a strong back and thighs. Stooping to your level doesn't hurt me at all, but thank you for your concern.

Too bad your cranial area is not stronger.

Too bad you are too intellectually limited to recognize proper and cognitively sound viewpoints.

If I see one, I will let you know. They certainly will not come from the likes of you.

 

[hazlnut]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

No specifics on what processes need to be reviewed.

And how come we don't ban sale of firearms after the massacre of 20 children and we can review process?

 

[kwc57]

Jews weren't responsible for 9/11.

Either was anyone from the 7 countries named by Trump... Also does a whole country need to pay for individuals actions...

Nationality Number
Saudi Arabia 15
United Arab Emirates 2
Egypt 1
Lebanon 1

None of these countries are apart of the 7 named...

Sorry but your point doesn't make any sense..

Read the order. Trump didn't NAME a single nation, he referenced an existing list by it's number. The list of nations came from the Obama administration. Facts are important and the facts are that this isn't a ban and it isn't targeted at Muslims. The word Islam and Muslim is never mentioned in the order just as the nations are not listed. The liberals and the press are clutching their collective pearls over made up narratives.

 

[kwc57]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

No specifics on what processes need to be reviewed.

And how come we don't ban sale of firearms after the massacre of 20 children and we can review process?

I'd answer you, but I know that if you are stupid enough to make ignorant statements and ask ignorant questions, you are too stupid to understand the answers. Aren't there other places you could troll?

 

[kaz]

Every year the Holocaust is remembered like it was on Friday. The Trump administration faced criticism on Friday to actually failing to mention Jews in their message...

But what they also failed to mention is how countries all over the world refused Jewish refugees... As the Jewish people were desperate to leave an evil regime who wanted to ethnic cleanse them from the earth many nations (including the US) refused many thousands entry.

How America’s rejection of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany haunts our refugee policy today
The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies | History | Smithsonian

Why?
"FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security.."

What is the saying about the holocaust we say: Never Again.

Now lets bring ourselves to modern times:
It was in the News this weekend that Assad Forces backed by Russian Troops and equipment are Ethnic Cleansing massive areas of Syria after the fall of Aleppo. The message is run or die...
Syrian regime accused of ethnic cleansing

Syria was 10% Christian but they are the ones fleeing quickest... They are targeted for special punishment..
Syria's beleaguered Christians - BBC News

Many of the neighbouring countries have taken Millions of Refugees and looking to have the load shared with other countries.
Syrian refugees in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon face an uncertain 2017

Lets make it clear the US has to take some responsibility for destabilizing the region...

Lets be clear out of the 8,000 refugees US has taken so far 78% have been women and children...
Most Syrian refugees coming to U.S. are women, children

There could have a simple test for christianity and accept christians for now? There is an estimated 1 million to choose from.

But lets get back to the statement said on Friday across the world 'Never Again', Are we using our simple prejudices like was used against the Jews in 1930s. Is this fear justified any more than the fear of the Jew in 1930s.
The facts are simple how many Syrian Refugees have killed US Citizens?


P.S. The talk of relaxing sanctions on the Russians should look at what Putin has ordered and done in the conflict. He has deliberately attacked civilian targets... He is a war criminal and should not be appeased...

So your strategy is to treat the 46 Muslim dominated countries all individually and allow each of their citizens to independently create a track record of violence specifically in the US before dealing with them one by one? Of course it is, you're an idiot.

Here's an alternative idea. What if we focus on the ones exporting the most terror in general and not assume it's somehow unclear whether we're excluded from that or not. Oh wait, we are ...

 

[kwc57]

Every year the Holocaust is remembered like it was on Friday. The Trump administration faced criticism on Friday to actually failing to mention Jews in their message...

But what they also failed to mention is how countries all over the world refused Jewish refugees... As the Jewish people were desperate to leave an evil regime who wanted to ethnic cleanse them from the earth many nations (including the US) refused many thousands entry.

How America’s rejection of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany haunts our refugee policy today
The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies | History | Smithsonian

Why?
"FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security.."

What is the saying about the holocaust we say: Never Again.

Now lets bring ourselves to modern times:
It was in the News this weekend that Assad Forces backed by Russian Troops and equipment are Ethnic Cleansing massive areas of Syria after the fall of Aleppo. The message is run or die...
Syrian regime accused of ethnic cleansing

Syria was 10% Christian but they are the ones fleeing quickest... They are targeted for special punishment..
Syria's beleaguered Christians - BBC News

Many of the neighbouring countries have taken Millions of Refugees and looking to have the load shared with other countries.
Syrian refugees in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon face an uncertain 2017

Lets make it clear the US has to take some responsibility for destabilizing the region...

Lets be clear out of the 8,000 refugees US has taken so far 78% have been women and children...
Most Syrian refugees coming to U.S. are women, children

There could have a simple test for christianity and accept christians for now? There is an estimated 1 million to choose from.

But lets get back to the statement said on Friday across the world 'Never Again', Are we using our simple prejudices like was used against the Jews in 1930s. Is this fear justified any more than the fear of the Jew in 1930s.
The facts are simple how many Syrian Refugees have killed US Citizens?


P.S. The talk of relaxing sanctions on the Russians should look at what Putin has ordered and done in the conflict. He has deliberately attacked civilian targets... He is a war criminal and should not be appeased...

So your strategy is to treat the 46 Muslim dominated countries all individually and allow each of their citizens to independently create a track record of violence specifically in the US before dealing with them one by one? Of course it is, you're an idiot.

Here's an alternative idea. What if we focus on the ones exporting the most terror in general and not assume it's somehow unclear whether we're excluded from that or not. Oh wait, we are ...

Yeah, but that would make sense..........

 

[boedicca]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

No specifics on what processes need to be reviewed.

And how come we don't ban sale of firearms after the massacre of 20 children and we can review process?

Your strawman is burning.

How about we review why so few Christians from a country in which ISIS is performing genocide against them are among the 10,000 refugees that Obabble allowed last year?

 

[kwc57]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

No specifics on what processes need to be reviewed.

And how come we don't ban sale of firearms after the massacre of 20 children and we can review process?

Your strawman is burning.

How about we review why so few Christians from a country in which ISIS is performing genocide against them are among the 10,000 refugees that Obabble allowed last year?

Damn it! It isn't fair if you keep going outside the accepted leftist narrative. Snowflakes are delicate. Your actions could cause heads to explode when faced with reason, logic and fact.

 

[boedicca]

The OP is making a fallacious characterization. It's not a ban, it's a suspension for a few months while processes are evaluated to ensure that proper vetting takes place. Obabble did the same thing for Iraqi refugees in 2011.

No specifics on what processes need to be reviewed.

And how come we don't ban sale of firearms after the massacre of 20 children and we can review process?

Your strawman is burning.

How about we review why so few Christians from a country in which ISIS is performing genocide against them are among the 10,000 refugees that Obabble allowed last year?

Damn it! It isn't fair if you keep going outside the accepted leftist narrative. Snowflakes are delicate. Your actions could cause heads to explode when faced with reason, logic and fact.

My policy is to apply the Left's Alinsky tactic to them by holding them accountable for the value system they promote.