Once again bullying was the root cause

[Pop23]

Um, no, the root cause was he was able to get guns and shoot people.

Bullshit. It does not require a gun to kill people, dumbass.

Is it okay with you if we consider more than one cause?

Sure, but why not just stop the Murder first? Like, quite feeding our chillin meds that turn some into Killing Monsters.

Oh, but that would actually show you a fool.

Never mind.

 

[Muhammed]

It's a matter of degree. The bullying today writes a new chapter on viciousness.

What a generation of pussies and cowards we have raised.

When I was young, as I said before, bullying necessarily involved physical violence of credible threats thereof. My generation learned that “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.“

How did we get from there to now, when mere insults are deemed to constitute “bullying”?

No “…new chapter on viciousness” here. Just a new chapter on weakness and cowardice.

wtf?

In this case the bullying/sexual harassment went from mere threats against the girl to carrying out those threats right there in the classroom.

Obviously his threats were very credible indeed.

 

[LuckyDuck]

But the nation will hold vigils and marches denouncing assault rifles, semi-auto pistols, all guns, Dimocrat politicians will make speeches and write new gun laws and proclaim the NRA a terrorist group.

But there won't be marches or speeches denouncing the root cause of why a fellow student goes off the deep end.


Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches 'emotionally bullied' suspected shooter

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Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches 'emotionally bullied' suspected shooter

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  A student who survived the Texas school shooting on Friday has spoken out about the accused gunman, saying that he was 'emotionally bullied' by his classmates and coaches.
  
  Dustin Severin, an 11th-grade student at Santa Fe High School, told KRIV that the suspected shooter, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtiz, was constantly teased at school, but that he believed it never escalated into anything physical.
  
  "I know he's picked on by coaches and other students. He didn't really talk to anyone," he told the station. "My friends from the football team told me that coaches said he smelled, like, right in front of his face. And other kids would look at him and laugh at him ... nothing like physical but they still emotionally bullied him."
  
  "I never thought he would just snap and shoot up the school," Severin added. "He didn't seem like he was a hateful person."

/QUOTE]

According to an MSM source, the shooter was rejected multiple times by a girl and shortly after she emphatically rejected him the last time, he returned to school with the shotgun and handgun his father owned.
I can understand the frustration of being bullied, I was on the receiving end of it for a few years in school myself, however, in one of my shop classes before the teacher arrived, one of those bullies started in on me and I decided that I had had enough and fought him there in the classroom. After the fight, the word got out that I would stand up to the bullies and they left me alone after that. No gun needed.

 

[koshergrl]

Sounds to me like the victim, the girl, who was bullied, then killed, is the victim of the bullying..not the kid who bullied her.

Local paper reported that the dad did report that the kid was stalking, harassing, and had threatened, his daughter.

 

[koshergrl]

Kruz was also reported for bullying:



The schools don't care. They get extra money for the students who are dangerous.

 

[JoeB131]

It depends if the intoxication was voluntary or involuntary.

Was the defendant "tricked" into consuming the intoxicant, or did he take it voluntary?

From the link:

Guy, the problem with this argument is that the person taking the SSRI took it on the advice of a doctor on the assumption it would make them better.

Not one shooter has tried to claim that the drugs a doctor prescribed to them made them crazy.

 

[JoeB131]

FDA placed the "Black Box" warning on these for a reason. Is the FDA a front for Scientology?

doesn't matter.

One more time... if these medicines are making people crazy, why hasn't ONE MASS SHOOTER tried to raise it as a defense?

This isn't complicated, and you can repost all the shit from the Scientologists you want.

 

[JoeB131]

Gun's aren't new. Why shootings now? The semi auto rifle has been around for over a hundred years, so why in the past 30 years? What has changed?

That the GUn Industry started marketing it to civilians? That gun laws have been weakened, such as the repeal of the Assault weapons ban?

We've been medicating our teens with a new class of antidepressants (EIGHT MILLION TIMES A DAY), that turns a few into monsters.

What do I win?

Well, let us know when someone actually wins with that defense, because not one mass shooter has tried it.

A few have tried to claim they were crazy because they weren't taking their drugs, like Jared Loughner.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think we need to teach our kids how to be kind and caring towards other people.

We as an society spawn kids that don't understand how to be human beings far to often.

The BIGGEST problem in society is when MEN rule. Men want to fight, destroy, break heads, not sit down and talk about how best to deal with things.

Have women running everything then ? No thanks.

And why not?

Because you'd feel your masculinity at risk?
Because you want to be on top, rather than underneath?

You want them running EVERYTHING ?
I'll take a more shared approach thank you very much.

Why? There isn't so much of a shared approach at present with men running everything, and they've shown how bad they are at running stuff.

 

[Pop23]

It depends if the intoxication was voluntary or involuntary.

Was the defendant "tricked" into consuming the intoxicant, or did he take it voluntary?

From the link:

Guy, the problem with this argument is that the person taking the SSRI took it on the advice of a doctor on the assumption it would make them better.

Not one shooter has tried to claim that the drugs a doctor prescribed to them made them crazy.

So, you said that the Doctor tricked them into taking the drug?

Can’t you keep up? Unless the Doctor did, then the killer voluntarily intoxicated and the claim of that defense can’t be used?

Damn you’re dense.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

But the nation will hold vigils and marches denouncing assault rifles, semi-auto pistols, all guns, Dimocrat politicians will make speeches and write new gun laws and proclaim the NRA a terrorist group.

But there won't be marches or speeches denouncing the root cause of why a fellow student goes off the deep end.


Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches 'emotionally bullied' suspected shooter

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Santa Fe High School student claims students and coaches 'emotionally bullied' suspected shooter

• 
  
  A student who survived the Texas school shooting on Friday has spoken out about the accused gunman, saying that he was 'emotionally bullied' by his classmates and coaches.
  
  Dustin Severin, an 11th-grade student at Santa Fe High School, told KRIV that the suspected shooter, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtiz, was constantly teased at school, but that he believed it never escalated into anything physical.
  
  "I know he's picked on by coaches and other students. He didn't really talk to anyone," he told the station. "My friends from the football team told me that coaches said he smelled, like, right in front of his face. And other kids would look at him and laugh at him ... nothing like physical but they still emotionally bullied him."
  
  "I never thought he would just snap and shoot up the school," Severin added. "He didn't seem like he was a hateful person."

/QUOTE]

So, is bullying new? Why shootings now? How did you manage to pinch off that lame OP, without addressing these things at all?

As pointed out, shotguns, and semi-auto pistols are not new either.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I think we need to teach our kids how to be kind and caring towards other people.

We as an society spawn kids that don't understand how to be human beings far to often.

The BIGGEST problem in society is when MEN rule. Men want to fight, destroy, break heads, not sit down and talk about how best to deal with things.

Have women running everything then ? No thanks.

And why not?

Because you'd feel your masculinity at risk?
Because you want to be on top, rather than underneath?

You want them running EVERYTHING ?
I'll take a more shared approach thank you very much.

Why? There isn't so much of a shared approach at present with men running everything, and they've shown how bad they are at running stuff.

They do not run everything, and if you've bothered to take a look at what the future holds for graduates, it will be mostly women, so you're likely to get your wish.
In the meantime in this era of the war on men, I'll work to help my fellow bros going forward. If not, men will become more and more irrelevant.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The BIGGEST problem in society is when MEN rule. Men want to fight, destroy, break heads, not sit down and talk about how best to deal with things.

Have women running everything then ? No thanks.

And why not?

Because you'd feel your masculinity at risk?
Because you want to be on top, rather than underneath?

You want them running EVERYTHING ?
I'll take a more shared approach thank you very much.

Why? There isn't so much of a shared approach at present with men running everything, and they've shown how bad they are at running stuff.

They do not run everything, and if you've bothered to take a look at what the future holds for graduates, it will be mostly women, so you're likely to get your wish.
In the meantime in this era of the war on men, I'll work to help my fellow bros going forward. If not, men will become more and more irrelevant.

What are you talking about?

We're talking politics here.

"war on men", that's nice. You pretend you're the victim.

 

[JoeB131]

So, you said that the Doctor tricked them into taking the drug?

Can’t you keep up? Unless the Doctor did, then the killer voluntarily intoxicated and the claim of that defense can’t be used?

Damn you’re dense.

Guy, I know you are twisting yourself into a pretzel here.

If the drugs are dangerous, and the person wasn't specifically warned, 'This drug will turn your kid into a psychopath", it's a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

Except no Mass Shooter has been able to assert this defense.

 

[Pop23]

So, you said that the Doctor tricked them into taking the drug?

Can’t you keep up? Unless the Doctor did, then the killer voluntarily intoxicated and the claim of that defense can’t be used?

Damn you’re dense.

Guy, I know you are twisting yourself into a pretzel here.

If the drugs are dangerous, and the person wasn't specifically warned, 'This drug will turn your kid into a psychopath", it's a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

Except no Mass Shooter has been able to assert this defense.

Doctors warn patients moron, as would the pharmacist. It’s the law, and we all know nobody breaks the law!

In fact, patients must sign consent forms

What’s next moron?

 

[JoeB131]

Doctors warn patients moron, as would the pharmacist. It’s the law, and we all know nobody breaks the law!

In fact, patients must sign consent forms

What’s next moron?

Okay, but that doesn't preclude using that as a defense.

"Yeeerr Honor (as we say in Chicago), my client was a perfectly sane and normal kid until he started taking SSRI's, and then he started shooting stuff up, totally out of the blue".

No Defense Attorney has made this claim. Not once.

Because it would be laughed out of court.

 

[Pop23]

Doctors warn patients moron, as would the pharmacist. It’s the law, and we all know nobody breaks the law!

In fact, patients must sign consent forms

What’s next moron?

Okay, but that doesn't preclude using that as a defense.

"Yeeerr Honor (as we say in Chicago), my client was a perfectly sane and normal kid until he started taking SSRI's, and then he started shooting stuff up, totally out of the blue".

No Defense Attorney has made this claim. Not once.

Because it would be laughed out of court.

You’re an idiot. You didn’t even read the link and how and when intoxication can and cannot be used as a defense.

Intoxicating yourself, then committing a crime is not allowed as defense.

And you are an idiot, even not intoxicated.

 

[JoeB131]

You’re an idiot. You didn’t even read the link and how and when intoxication can and cannot be used as a defense.

Because this wouldn't be "intoxication".

Simply put, if an SSRI is causing these problems, that's a defense of diminished capacity..

That not ONE mass shooter has tried to assert.

Not. One.

Intoxicating yourself, then committing a crime is not allowed as defense.

Except they didn't "intoxicate" themselves. They took a drug they were told would help their medical situation.

 

[Pop23]

You’re an idiot. You didn’t even read the link and how and when intoxication can and cannot be used as a defense.

Because this wouldn't be "intoxication".

Simply put, if an SSRI is causing these problems, that's a defense of diminished capacity..

That not ONE mass shooter has tried to assert.

Not. One.

Intoxicating yourself, then committing a crime is not allowed as defense.

Except they didn't "intoxicate" themselves. They took a drug they were told would help their medical situation.

Tell that to everyone else who tried using drug use, both legal and illegal, as a defense. And failed.

It's used often to mitigate the sentence, but even then, it's hit and miss.

 

[JoeB131]

Tell that to everyone else who tried using drug use, both legal and illegal, as a defense. And failed.

It's used often to mitigate the sentence, but even then, it's hit and miss.

But no one has even tried it to mitigate a sentence.

Your argument is that SSRI's have the opposite of the desired effect of not being crazy... that it make normal folks crazy.

But we've captured a bunch of mass shooters alive. And not a one of them tried to claim this.

Not. A. One.

Because they'd be laughed out of court when they put medical professionals on the stand.