One big thing that confuses about Islam and perhaps someone can explain it.

[irosie91]

Maybe I didn't understand your post 297.

how do you say "abomination of desolation"
in Hebrew or Aramaic? The term seems to
appear in many places and need not refer
SPECIFICALLY to the Temple. I have no idea
when Jesus repeated that phrase

 

[surada]

how do you say "abomination of desolation"
in Hebrew or Aramaic? The term seems to
appear in many places and need not refer
SPECIFICALLY to the Temple. I have no idea
when Jesus repeated that phrase

Antiochus IV aka God manifest, defiled the temple when he was on a mission to Hellenize the Jews. That's the first Abomination of Desolation. The Maccabees revolted and rededicated the temple. Chanukah sp.. celebrates that, I think.

 

[irosie91]

Antiochus IV aka God manifest, defiled the temple when he was on a mission to Hellenize the Jews. That's the first Abomination of Desolation. The Maccabees revolted and rededicated the temple. Chanukah sp.. celebrates that, I think.

that's the first time that the phrase which someone translated as "abomination of
Desolation" is used in hebrew or jewish aramaic
literature? I don't know----seems to me like something Jeremiah would say INCESSANTLY in
many applications

 

[surada]

that's the first time that the phrase which someone translated as "abomination of
Desolation" is used in hebrew or jewish aramaic
literature? I don't know----seems to me like something Jeremiah would say INCESSANTLY in
many applications

Antiochus IV Epiphanes | Biography, Reign, Jerusalem, Revolt, & Death

Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Seleucid king of the Hellenistic Syrian kingdom who reigned from 175 to 164 BCE. As a ruler he was best known for his encouragement of Greek culture and institutions. His attempts to suppress Judaism brought on the Wars of the Maccabees.

www.britannica.com

 

[irosie91]

Antiochus IV Epiphanes | Biography, Reign, Jerusalem, Revolt, & Death

Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Seleucid king of the Hellenistic Syrian kingdom who reigned from 175 to 164 BCE. As a ruler he was best known for his encouragement of Greek culture and institutions. His attempts to suppress Judaism brought on the Wars of the Maccabees.

www.britannica.com

does not answer my question on the phrase
"abomination of desolation" In fact the word
equivalent to "abomination" is very common in hebrew literature and SPOKEN DISCUSSION

 

[surada]

does not answer my question on the phrase
"abomination of desolation" In fact the word
equivalent to "abomination" is very common in hebrew literature and SPOKEN DISCUSSION

Wouldn't defiling the temple with pig sacrifices and Greek gods be an abomination that made the temple desolate? I'm not sure what you are asking.

 

[surada]

Wouldn't defiling the temple with pig sacrifices and Greek gods be an abomination that made the temple desolate? I'm not sure what you are asking.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes | Biography, Reign, Jerusalem, Revolt, & Death

Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Seleucid king of the Hellenistic Syrian kingdom who reigned from 175 to 164 BCE. As a ruler he was best known for his encouragement of Greek culture and institutions. His attempts to suppress Judaism brought on the Wars of the Maccabees.

www.britannica.com

 

[surada]

One thing of many things that confuse me in regards to Islam among their followers. Muhammad by their own admission isn't God. The term blasphemy is a term reserved only for God. So, why are they claiming it is blasphemy if anyone even depicts Muhammad in a picture of any kind but not any of their other Muslim warlords?

Meaning people can show pictures, photographs or paintings of the Sultans or Ayatollah etc and no problem.

You can even criticize them, but if anyone paints a painting or drawing or speaks out against Muhammad it is considered blasphemy.

That makes little sense and that reaction of exalting Muhammad as God (which they all say he wasn't) is a blasphemy unto itself.

How am I wrong?

In Persia they had depictions of Muhammad in art.

 

[JoeBlow]

Islam is a fake, made up religion by a pedophile and camel lover.

 

[surada]

Islam is a fake, made up religion by a pedophile and camel lover.

Aisha was born before the Call so she was 19 not 9.

 

[JoeBlow]

Aisha was born before the Call so she was 19 not 9.

Scapegoating a pedophile, which makes you...

A'isha, Mohammed's Nine-Year Old Wife

 

[Likkmee]

In Persia they had depictions of Muhammad in art.

He was heavy set, illiterate yet quite intelligent.
The NWO portayed him secretly in a TV series
He was portrayed as still having some Jewish traits due to the fact it was pre-enlightenement

 

[rylah]

A prophet is someone who receives revelation from God. A messenger is someone who was sent with a message from God to mankind.

That is sophistry.
Either there's no definition of prophecy in Islam,
or you avoid the answer because of intellectual laziness.

If Islamic doctrine sees prophecy distinct from revelation,
but can't yet define neither how do you know
your messenger..or prophet is from G-d?

If I send you an sms
with the correct weather forecast
is it prophecy? Where did it come from?

 

[irosie91]

Wouldn't defiling the temple with pig sacrifices and Greek gods be an abomination that made the temple desolate? I'm not sure what you are asking.

of course. ----but where does it say that the
ONLY usage of the phrase "desolation and
abomination" would refer SPECIFICALLY to the
Temple? I do not know that Jesus was
WITNESSED making such a comment in reference to the Temple. Can you cite the witness who reported it?
I seem to recall that he is said
to have made a comment about a future
destruction in one of the "gospels" but do not
know when and by whom that comment was
reported. ALSO---the word "NAVI" does not
mean "soothsayer" with a crystal ball

 

[rylah]

Is that not prophecy? For Christians he's also Messiah.

Really, you see much world peace for the last 2000 years?
Maybe they should check with customer service...

Jesus did predict the Abomination of Desolation and the destruction of the temple. Isn't that prophecy?

No he didn't and was neither a prophet.
If you study one day in a Yeshivah it doesn't make one
a prophet to quote a verse before trying to cancel Shabat.

Do Muslims really believe prophecy is like a weather forecast?

 

[surada]

Really, you see much world peace for the last 2000 years?
Maybe they should check with customer service...



No he didn't and was neither a prophet.
If you study one day in a Yeshivah it doesn't make one
a prophet to quote a verse before trying to cancel Shabat.

Do Muslims really believe prophecy is like choosing a weather forecast?

I'm a Christian so I wouldn't study yeshiva. I'm not well informed about Muslim beliefs about the end times. Most of Revelation was filled in the first century.

 

[rylah]

I'm a Christian so I wouldn't study yeshiva. I'm not well informed about Muslim beliefs about the end times. Most of Revelation was filled in the first century.

It doesn't take a prophet to see you're a lying Islamist apologist,
that's the only consistent thing about your posting,
and the only thing you religiously defend
no matter how irrational.
.
Since you can't follow a single conversation with me,
I suggest you shove that Dawa nonsense for illiterates - where it belongs.

A Note on Arabic Literacy and Translation

Discover the impact of illiteracy and translation limitations in the Arab world. Learn how increasing access to education and literature can help.

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[surada]

It doesn't take a prophet to see you're a lying Islamist apologist,
that's the only consistent thing about your posting,
and the only thing you religiously defend
no matter how irrational.
.
Since you can't follow a single conversation with me,
I suggest you shove your Dawa nonsense for illiterates - where it belongs.

A Note on Arabic Literacy and Translation

Discover the impact of illiteracy and translation limitations in the Arab world. Learn how increasing access to education and literature can help.

www.altalang.com

You're a vicious little moron.

 

[surada]

Scapegoating a pedophile, which makes you...

A'isha, Mohammed's Nine-Year Old Wife

Age of Aisha (ra) at time of marriage

 

[surada]

Age of Aisha (ra) at time of marriage