Orioles, A's, Reds, and Pirates Fans Sound Off

[odanny]

Management can kill a sports franchise. Reds fans are really disgusted with the comments by their owner, the Castellini family, threatening to move this proud franchise after gutting a team with a winning record.

'It’s not his fault Phil Castellini is a jackass': Fans of Reds, Pirates, Orioles and A’s sound off about their teams’ losing ways

We wanted to hear if supporters of four MLB teams in various stages of losing feel alienated by the franchises they love.

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[sealybobo]

Management can kill a sports franchise. Reds fans are really disgusted with the comments by their owner, the Castellini family, threatening to move this proud franchise after gutting a team with a winning record.

'It’s not his fault Phil Castellini is a jackass': Fans of Reds, Pirates, Orioles and A’s sound off about their teams’ losing ways

We wanted to hear if supporters of four MLB teams in various stages of losing feel alienated by the franchises they love.

www.yahoo.com

I don't remember the last time any of these teams were competitive. Baseball should be like European soccer. The shitty teams go down to the minor league. If you win the minor league championship you come back up to play with the big boys.

Last time the Reds were good Sparky Anderson was the coach. LOL. Black and white TV's.

 

[martybegan]

Management can kill a sports franchise. Reds fans are really disgusted with the comments by their owner, the Castellini family, threatening to move this proud franchise after gutting a team with a winning record.

'It’s not his fault Phil Castellini is a jackass': Fans of Reds, Pirates, Orioles and A’s sound off about their teams’ losing ways

We wanted to hear if supporters of four MLB teams in various stages of losing feel alienated by the franchises they love.

www.yahoo.com

To be fair we need to distribute wins from better teams to worse teams, in the name of equity.

 

[sealybobo]

To be fair we need to distribute wins from better teams to worse teams, in the name of equity.

I found this on Quora

Don't forget that there is no promotion/relegation system in the U.S. either. It is impossible to be a capitalist in American sports because you can't work harder/better to earn your way from Division 3 to the Premiership championship. All U.S. big league sports teams are guaranteed to continue making big money in perpetuity.

American teams are socialist because the law in the U.S. allows them to be, though socialist is not quite the correct term. The term that is used in American economics is "trust", which is a group of firms in the same industry who collude to fix prices and destroy competition in order to maximize profits and maintain power. Trusts have been illegal in the U.S. since the 19th century (unlike in Europe where many industries have traditionally functioned as trusts, ironically). A trust allows a set of companies to monopolize (technically oligopolize) an industry, construct high barriers to entry, and collude with each other to maximize profits. This is how all American sports work. NFL teams share television revenue equally, making it impossible not to make money even if your team is horrible and nobody goes to the games. My hometown NFL team is the Detroit Lions and they have been as bad as any professional team over the past 50 years. They always make a profit (that's why the Fords own the team). College football teams equally share their profits from television rights and the large bowl game payouts (e.g., Alabama shared all their bowl earnings with the rest of the SEC). Leagues execs are in charge of changing the rules of the game every year in order to maximize profits for all teams. Owners meet every year to discuss how they can cooperate to make more money together. Football and basketball don't even pay for their own player development leagues-- that's handled by universities. There is no competition in the board room or on the field (we call this 'parity'-- it means that everyone is a winner).

Americans don't know that this is going on because the teams appear to pay a lot of money for their employees (athletes). They are forced to do this because these human beings are extreme genetic rarities who use the privilege of their super strength to leverage favorable terms from the trusts (every athlete is a business). Basic economics dictates that the fewer teams there are, the more valuable the extreme genetic rarities are, so player unions work to keep salary numbers high by limiting the number of teams. They rarely negotiate basic health of the players (concussions). For many years, the Lions played American football on a concrete field covered in thin, unpadded carpet (it looks sooo good on the TV).

Professional sports in the U.S. may be the least competitive sports in the world, but that's the way we like it. They've worked out economic models to maximize profit for everyone involved- owners and players. Because so few Americans watch European soccer that we don't know what its like to have teams that compete against each other. So the answer is: money.

 

[odanny]

I don't remember the last time any of these teams were competitive. Baseball should be like European soccer. The shitty teams go down to the minor league. If you win the minor league championship you come back up to play with the big boys.

Last time the Reds were good Sparky Anderson was the coach. LOL. Black and white TV's.

Wrong, Eric Davis and company won a championship in the early 90's.

 

[sealybobo]

Wrong, Eric Davis and company won a championship in the early 90's.

Look at me talking shit. Last time we won it was 84.

But we went in 06 and 12. Just didn't win it.

We've won 4 world series. Reds won 5. Shit I lose that too. LOL.

 

[Polishprince]

There are winners and losers in every game. If Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Oakland stink, well, someone has to.

They just need to quit whining and try harder IMHO.

For every Hulk Hogan, there has to be a Franky WIlliams, for every Ric Flair, there has to be a George South.

 

[odanny]

Look at me talking shit. Last time we won it was 84.

But we went in 06 and 12. Just didn't win it.

We've won 4 world series. Reds won 5. Shit I lose that too. LOL.

I love it when small market teams are good. As a kid growing up, many of them were. The Reds and the Royals had some great teams in the 70's and 80's, and in the 70's, the Pirates won two championships. I remember the 1979 Pirates team. But the large market teams make more money, and can pay more. Look at the Yankees payroll, and look at that deadly lineup they have this year.

And now look at the Angels and Mets, the weak sisters of both of the two largest cities in America. Even they are both good this year.

 

[sealybobo]

There are winners and losers in every game. If Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Oakland stink, well, someone has to.

They just need to quit whining and try harder IMHO.

For every Hulk Hogan, there has to be a Franky WIlliams, for every Ric Flair, there has to be a George South.

And did you ever see Moneyball? Oakland Athletics were not a bunch of high paid all stars. No team in baseball no matter how much they spend is unbeatable.

In the NBA, the best team will win the championship around 62% of the time. In NHL and MLB, it's a coin flip. I'm assuming they mean 50/50 that the better team will win.

The Green Bay Packers have the highest all-time winning percentage during the regular season of the National Football League. And yet Aaron Rogers has only won once.

 

[sealybobo]

I love it when small market teams are good. As a kid growing up, many of them were. The Reds and the Royals had some great teams in the 70's and 80's, and in the 70's, the Pirates won two championships. I remember the 1979 Pirates team. But the large market teams make more money, and can pay more. Look at the Yankees payroll, and look at that deadly lineup they have this year.

And now look at the Angels and Mets, the weak sisters of both of the two largest cities in America. Even they are both good this year.

 

[evenflow1969]

Management can kill a sports franchise. Reds fans are really disgusted with the comments by their owner, the Castellini family, threatening to move this proud franchise after gutting a team with a winning record.

'It’s not his fault Phil Castellini is a jackass': Fans of Reds, Pirates, Orioles and A’s sound off about their teams’ losing ways

We wanted to hear if supporters of four MLB teams in various stages of losing feel alienated by the franchises they love.

www.yahoo.com

Cincinnati is the birth place of professional sports. The ducker with a f should be hung if he moves them. Damn 1 percenters think they own the world. With out the fans there is no sport. The damn banana man gutted the team the year after the tax player in Cincinnati paid for his new stadium. Now this idiot screws the fans again. WTF?

 

[Meathead]

Management can kill a sports franchise. Reds fans are really disgusted with the comments by their owner, the Castellini family, threatening to move this proud franchise after gutting a team with a winning record.

'It’s not his fault Phil Castellini is a jackass': Fans of Reds, Pirates, Orioles and A’s sound off about their teams’ losing ways

We wanted to hear if supporters of four MLB teams in various stages of losing feel alienated by the franchises they love.

www.yahoo.com

Every team should have an 81 - 81 record at the end of the season. This is the America of the future. It could be done with a sort of affirmative action scoring.

 

[22lcidw]

Baseball teams have local endorsements and Broadcast contracts. Some cities have a massive advantage and more money to spend. The best of those teams will stay competitive. The Phillies are a team that have money and have not been for over a decade. So, teams like the Reds and Pirates are shut out on pricy free agents. They have to ace the drafts and get some luck in the free agents they can afford.

 

[AMart]

Reds should have made the playoffs last year. They just fell apart after winkler got hurt. They made the playoffs the COVID season prior. In 2012 they came from San Francisco with 2-0 lead and lost 3 straight. Cincinnati bearcats baseball has sellouts and $5 beer. The reds have heavily discounted tickets and concessions due to super low attendance.

 

[AMart]

Baseball teams have local endorsements and Broadcast contracts. Some cities have a massive advantage and more money to spend. The best of those teams will stay competitive. The Phillies are a team that have money and have not been for over a decade. So, teams like the Reds and Pirates are shut out on pricy free agents. They have to ace the drafts and get some luck in the free agents they can afford.

Yeah the reds get like 48 million in local tv revenue and the Yankees or dodgers get 250 million.

 

[odanny]

Every team should have an 81 - 81 record at the end of the season. This is the America of the future. It could be done with a sort of affirmative action scoring.

Great idea, I think you’re on to something.

 

[martybegan]

I found this on Quora

Don't forget that there is no promotion/relegation system in the U.S. either. It is impossible to be a capitalist in American sports because you can't work harder/better to earn your way from Division 3 to the Premiership championship. All U.S. big league sports teams are guaranteed to continue making big money in perpetuity.

American teams are socialist because the law in the U.S. allows them to be, though socialist is not quite the correct term. The term that is used in American economics is "trust", which is a group of firms in the same industry who collude to fix prices and destroy competition in order to maximize profits and maintain power. Trusts have been illegal in the U.S. since the 19th century (unlike in Europe where many industries have traditionally functioned as trusts, ironically). A trust allows a set of companies to monopolize (technically oligopolize) an industry, construct high barriers to entry, and collude with each other to maximize profits. This is how all American sports work. NFL teams share television revenue equally, making it impossible not to make money even if your team is horrible and nobody goes to the games. My hometown NFL team is the Detroit Lions and they have been as bad as any professional team over the past 50 years. They always make a profit (that's why the Fords own the team). College football teams equally share their profits from television rights and the large bowl game payouts (e.g., Alabama shared all their bowl earnings with the rest of the SEC). Leagues execs are in charge of changing the rules of the game every year in order to maximize profits for all teams. Owners meet every year to discuss how they can cooperate to make more money together. Football and basketball don't even pay for their own player development leagues-- that's handled by universities. There is no competition in the board room or on the field (we call this 'parity'-- it means that everyone is a winner).

Americans don't know that this is going on because the teams appear to pay a lot of money for their employees (athletes). They are forced to do this because these human beings are extreme genetic rarities who use the privilege of their super strength to leverage favorable terms from the trusts (every athlete is a business). Basic economics dictates that the fewer teams there are, the more valuable the extreme genetic rarities are, so player unions work to keep salary numbers high by limiting the number of teams. They rarely negotiate basic health of the players (concussions). For many years, the Lions played American football on a concrete field covered in thin, unpadded carpet (it looks sooo good on the TV).

Professional sports in the U.S. may be the least competitive sports in the world, but that's the way we like it. They've worked out economic models to maximize profit for everyone involved- owners and players. Because so few Americans watch European soccer that we don't know what its like to have teams that compete against each other. So the answer is: money.

Like top level Association football isn't about money either....

 

[sealybobo]

Y

Like top level Association football isn't about money either....

yea but cities don’t have to pay for stadiums. And bad teams aren’t rewarded.

I wonder if the owners restrict how many teams can join the league like they do here. Here Montana and Idaho can’t just start a football teams

 

[AMart]