POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[Kosh]

The people have the best government in the last 40 years, by a long shot.

It’s been getting worse since Reagan. More and more taken over by the 1%

A cute lie, but a lie nonetheless.

Yes, the top 1% are paying almost 50% of all taxes now. It's out of control. But the left still lies

What % of the nation's wealth do the 1%ers control?

I think it is something like 80%.

Try about 50%, but it just goes to show the far left will just post anything.

And how many of them are far left or even left leaning?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Don’t blame the democrats. The people have the government they deserve

The people have the best government in the last 40 years, by a long shot.

It’s been getting worse since Reagan. More and more taken over by the 1%

A cute lie, but a lie nonetheless.

Yes, the top 1% are paying almost 50% of all taxes now. It's out of control. But the left still lies

What % of the nation's wealth do the 1%ers control?

What difference does that make?

Do you have more buying power today than you had 2 years ago? The answer is "yes," regardless of what strata of the economy you are in.

All Americans are significantly better off under Trump than they were under Obama. That you are envious that someone might get more than you is just your childish jealousy acting up.

 

[Doc1]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

No, they want to control it.

 

[Mac1958]

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
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Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

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What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Um, I didn't use the term "Economic Equilibrium".

Maybe read my post one more time.

Then you can try again.
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Pathetic Mac.

Equilibrium is an economic term and concept, which you deployed in a discussion on economics.

Weaseling out of your obvious faux paus is unbecoming.

Holy crap, talk about pathetic. You should have just admitted you were wrong.

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2. equal balance between any powers, influences, etc.; equality of effect.
3. mental or emotional balance; equanimity: The pressures of the situation caused her to lose her equilibrium.

That's nice. We were specifically discussing economics.

Context matters.

Indeed. And had I said "Economic Equilibrium", you would have had a point.

But it really is okay to use the term "equilibrium" in a macroeconomic context without meaning "Economic Equilibrium" specifically.

You know that, right? Well, maybe you don't.
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[Wry Catcher]

Back to the seminal question:

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

We can see the division every day on this message board, it become tedious to continue to read vacuous posts based on Straw Men and Red Herrings.

The question is about Capitalism. Some seek free markets, i.e. unregulated by government, and never consider how such an economic system can lead to monopolies, cartels and fraud.

The division is the handiwork of you Communists who are engaged in a civil war in an attempt to overthrown the United States Constitution.

The division is manufactured by you to foment the treason you are engaged in.

Thanks so much for sharing; your attention to detail is amazing.

You keep trying to pimp the same lie.

It didn't work the first ten times you told it, yet you are sure you'll get away with it this time.

If you actually believe I "pimp the same lie" you should post the lie so the reader will understand that which you claim. I'm curious too, so do it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Did Obama...issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms?

Nope. Instead he did it via a Presidential Memorandum so he could dupe you blind followers into believing that he “issued less Executive Orders than any President in modern history”.

But either way...he was separating children.

Please post the "Presidential Memorandum" which required ICE to separate families and place children in secure custody in the US and deport the parent.

 

[sealybobo]

How many of these far right drones are Alex Jones fans? Or FOX fans. Or Rush. These are right wing propoganda/spin/lies.

See how the far left reacts when you make them face reality?

Ha! Only 10% of the time Fox News tells the truth

FOX's file: | PunditFact

And that is 10% more of the time than what you far left drones tell.

And according your own link it is a lot more than 10%..

See how the far left will lie even after providing a link?

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Again you just shown that you lie!

I think you are borderline retarded so don't take anything I say too seriously, or take everything I say with a grain of salt. You're an idiot! LOL

 

[Kosh]

See how the far left reacts when you make them face reality?

Ha! Only 10% of the time Fox News tells the truth

FOX's file: | PunditFact

And that is 10% more of the time than what you far left drones tell.

And according your own link it is a lot more than 10%..

See how the far left will lie even after providing a link?

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10% of the time Fox tells a TRUEth

Again you just shown that you lie!

I think you are borderline retarded so don't take anything I say too seriously, or take everything I say with a grain of salt. You're an idiot! LOL

The irony of these comments from a far left religious cult follower.

Once again the far left has to justify their lies..

 

[Kosh]

Did Obama...issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms?

Nope. Instead he did it via a Presidential Memorandum so he could dupe you blind followers into believing that he “issued less Executive Orders than any President in modern history”.

But either way...he was separating children.

Please post the "Presidential Memorandum" which required ICE to separate families and place children in secure custody in the US and deport the parent.

You mean when Obama shipped children all over the country separating them from families, did not clue you in?

 

[sealybobo]

Ha! Only 10% of the time Fox News tells the truth

FOX's file: | PunditFact

And that is 10% more of the time than what you far left drones tell.

And according your own link it is a lot more than 10%..

See how the far left will lie even after providing a link?

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10% of the time Fox tells a TRUEth

Again you just shown that you lie!

I think you are borderline retarded so don't take anything I say too seriously, or take everything I say with a grain of salt. You're an idiot! LOL

The irony of these comments from a far left religious cult follower.

Once again the far left has to justify their lies..

Kosh, who's listening to you? You're a loser and idiot as far as I can tell. It'll make it all the better when we take back the house and senate unless the elections are now rigged. I would not put it past Donald J Trump or his buddies in Russia.

Def Con Hackers Easily Bust Into Voting Machines, But Will Tech Companies Listen? | HuffPost

 

[danielpalos]

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.

Some on the left want to use revenue from the recycling effort to subsidize, any idle, New England privateers.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The far left wants to be Nazi's and have the government control everything, including speech, thoughts, etc.

Seriously? Reality suggests Trumpism is the first step to dysphoria.

 

[danielpalos]

The Capitalism of Junk Bonds, not the Socialism of Junk Laws!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Did Obama...issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms?

Nope. Instead he did it via a Presidential Memorandum so he could dupe you blind followers into believing that he “issued less Executive Orders than any President in modern history”.

But either way...he was separating children.

Please post the "Presidential Memorandum" which required ICE to separate families and place children in secure custody in the US and deport the parent.

You mean when Obama shipped children all over the country separating them from families, did not clue you in?

I suspect you must mean when Trump and Kirstjen M. Nielsen separated kids from their parents, and then lost the ability to have them reconnect - even when ordered to do so by Federal Judges.

Incompetence seems to run throughout the Executive Branch beginning in Jan 2017. How's that swamp cleaning going?

 

[Wry Catcher]

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

Obama was elected in November of 2008, and took office in Jan 2009; the Recession began in 2007.

The Great Recession—which officially lasted from December 2007 to June 2009—began with the bursting of an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble. The resulting loss of wealth led to sharp cutbacks in consumer spending. ... This was the most dramatic employment contraction (by far) of any recession since the Great Depression.

The Great Recession | State of Working America

The effort to rewrite history is a damn lie.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

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No, Western Europe is Capitalist, because they do have free markets. (They don't have a command economy, but rather a free market one)

Absolute falsehood.

A free market is one where concerns are free to trade without the permission and interference of the state. The EU has a strictly regimented and controlled economy.

You don't understand what Right-Wing is, you don't understand what Capitalism, and you don't understand that Capitalism sells out to Liberal values.

What do the British savages down South understand?

If you call the EU a "free market," then you must think the USSR was a Capitalist dream.

Like how Trump's interfering with the free market to prop up farmers, and to stop free trade with tariffs?

 

[danielpalos]

It is the right wing that introducing all of the friction to our economy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It’s been getting worse since Reagan. More and more taken over by the 1%

A cute lie, but a lie nonetheless.

Yes, the top 1% are paying almost 50% of all taxes now. It's out of control. But the left still lies

What % of the nation's wealth do the 1%ers control?

I think it is something like 80%.

Try about 50%, but it just goes to show the far left will just post anything.

And how many of them are far left or even left leaning?

See: Job loss | State of Working America

Intelligent and well educated people are generally left leaning. That is not to suggest that those who lean right are not intelligent or well educated. The distinction maybe the former is empathetic, and the latter are greedy.

One data point which suggests this conclusion is Rep. Chris Collins; the conservative Republican worth a reported $66 million whose insider trading provided his friends and family with money, money which was lost by those who kept the stock and saw it fall to penny's per share.

 

[sealybobo]

It’s been getting worse since Reagan. More and more taken over by the 1%

A cute lie, but a lie nonetheless.

Yes, the top 1% are paying almost 50% of all taxes now. It's out of control. But the left still lies

What % of the nation's wealth do the 1%ers control?

I think it is something like 80%.

Try about 50%, but it just goes to show the far left will just post anything.

And how many of them are far left or even left leaning?

Currently, the richest 1% hold about 38% of all privately held wealth in the United States. while the bottom 90% held 73% of all debt.

Those people have incomes of over $27 million, or roughly 540 times the national average income. Altogether, the top 1 percent control 43 percent of the wealth in the nation; the next 4 percent control an additional 29 percent.

So the top 5% control 72% of the wealth.

 

[kaz]

Don’t blame the democrats. The people have the government they deserve

The people have the best government in the last 40 years, by a long shot.

It’s been getting worse since Reagan. More and more taken over by the 1%

A cute lie, but a lie nonetheless.

Yes, the top 1% are paying almost 50% of all taxes now. It's out of control. But the left still lies

What % of the nation's wealth do the 1%ers control?

They earn 20% of the income, it's absurd.

As long as we tax income, there should be a flat tax on all income. No free riders. Wow, your class warfare would take a hit