POLL: How Bout An Official Gesture Of Atonement For Past Sins Against African Americans?...

[bripat9643]

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

Then what is it about?.... Worthless words that have no meaning or value?

Not so 'worthless' to some. The Nation as a whole, still hasn't properly acknowledged and atoned for how African Americans and Native Americans have been treated. The wound is still bleeding.

I'm sure it has great political value to leftwing douche bags like you. That's why it will never pass.

There is no "wound." There is only black dysfunction as a result of Democrat social programs like welfare.

You're just being stubbornly defensive. You have to rise above that.

That isn't being "defensive." That's simply stating the facts. Calling people "defensive" for sticking to their opinions is a classic douche bag leftist propaganda tactic

 

[Conservative65]

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

I don't owe black people reparations or an apology. It doesn't matter whether it monetary or not. It's the premise behind what you support. You want those that didn't do things to apologize to that the didn't have those things done to them.

Collectively, as a nation. Not you personally. If we openly officially acknowledge what was done to African Americans and Native Americans, maybe they can forgive and move on.

In neither case.

What Paul doesn't seem to get is that if I am part of a group that makes such a statement, there is no difference than had I done it myself.

He does get it, but he's ignoring that fact. That's what makes him a douche bag, like every other leftist.

He wants people that didn't do things to apologize to those to whom those things weren't done.

 

[Conservative65]

I don't owe black people reparations or an apology. It doesn't matter whether it monetary or not. It's the premise behind what you support. You want those that didn't do things to apologize to that the didn't have those things done to them.

Collectively, as a nation. Not you personally. If we openly officially acknowledge what was done to African Americans and Native Americans, maybe they can forgive and move on.

In neither case.

What Paul doesn't seem to get is that if I am part of a group that makes such a statement, there is no difference than had I done it myself.

He does get it, but he's ignoring that fact. That's what makes him a douche bag, like every other leftist.

Gotta let go of the hate man. We need reconciliation, not hate.

We, meaning this person, has nothing to reconcile.

 

[MarcATL]

Government pays ONE WAY fare...FIRST CLASS to anyone that wants REPARATIONS!....You can join the Obomanation upon his DISMISSAL!

Come on man.

This is the foolishness that is prevalent on the right.

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[paulitician]

Jeeebus what a dumb country...Thanks GOP. see sig. Nite.

Glad I block sig propaganda.

The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (750k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010.
Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

I thought Affirmative Action was atonement for slavery

It's atonement for GOP racism and discrimination duh.

Yeah, that's exactly how it will be painted if it's ever passed, and that's why no Republican will ever vote for it.

It's already passed and approved by the SC...

You do make some valid points. I have to admit that. Just had a conversation with a relative about how high rents are now. Too many Americans can't afford such rents.

It's just getting harder & harder for people to get by. And too many Republicans do seem pretty callous about it. It's a 'Fuck you, i got mine' mentality. We're going backwards as a nation.

 

[Redfish]

How about not profiling and targeting blacks by the police and justice system ? How about we start there .

I'd be much more appreciated .

Since that doesn't happen, your post is stupid.

but the counter to your stupid post is: how about blacks stop committing most of the crimes?

 

[Redfish]

Jeeebus what a dumb country...Thanks GOP. see sig. Nite.

Glad I block sig propaganda.

The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (750k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010.
Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

I thought Affirmative Action was atonement for slavery

It's atonement for GOP racism and discrimination duh.

Yeah, that's exactly how it will be painted if it's ever passed, and that's why no Republican will ever vote for it.

It's already passed and approved by the SC...

You do make some valid points. I have to admit that. Just had a conversation with a relative about how high rents are now. Too many Americans can't afford such rents. It's just getting harder & harder for people to get by. We're going backwards as a nation.

Why are rents high? any idea?

do you understand that the owner of the property has to pay the property taxes? do you understand that he has to pay for repairs done by renters? Do you understand that he has to pay the mortgages even when renters don't pay? Do you understand that he has to pay for insurance on the property?

I can tell you from personal experience, owning rental property is neither profitable or easy.

 

[Redfish]

I propose that every ex slave owner in the USA today pay every ex slave in the USA today one million dollars per year for the next 20 years.

 

[Conservative65]

Jeeebus what a dumb country...Thanks GOP. see sig. Nite.

Glad I block sig propaganda.

The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (750k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010.
Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

I thought Affirmative Action was atonement for slavery

It's atonement for GOP racism and discrimination duh.

Yeah, that's exactly how it will be painted if it's ever passed, and that's why no Republican will ever vote for it.

It's already passed and approved by the SC...

You do make some valid points. I have to admit that. Just had a conversation with a relative about how high rents are now. Too many Americans can't afford such rents.

It's just getting harder & harder for people to get by. And too many Republicans do seem pretty callous about it. It's a 'Fuck you, i got mine' mentality. We're going backwards as a nation.

Wrong. It's I earned mine so earn yours. I didn't get what I have by sitting around doing nothing. Too many want for nothing what the rest of us earned.

 

[Conservative65]

I propose that every ex slave owner in the USA today pay every ex slave in the USA today one million dollars per year for the next 20 years.

What Paul's wanting is for those that never owned slaves to apologize to those that never were slaves.

 

[paulitician]

Jeeebus what a dumb country...Thanks GOP. see sig. Nite.

Glad I block sig propaganda.

The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (750k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010.
Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

I thought Affirmative Action was atonement for slavery

It's atonement for GOP racism and discrimination duh.

Yeah, that's exactly how it will be painted if it's ever passed, and that's why no Republican will ever vote for it.

It's already passed and approved by the SC...

You do make some valid points. I have to admit that. Just had a conversation with a relative about how high rents are now. Too many Americans can't afford such rents. It's just getting harder & harder for people to get by. We're going backwards as a nation.

Why are rents high? any idea?

do you understand that the owner of the property has to pay the property taxes? do you understand that he has to pay for repairs done by renters? Do you understand that he has to pay the mortgages even when renters don't pay? Do you understand that he has to pay for insurance on the property?

I can tell you from personal experience, owning rental property is neither profitable or easy.

Oh boy, not really in the mood to get into it with greedy white Republican dudes over this one. The poster Franco did make some valid points though. You guys don't care that so many Americans can't afford rents. 'They're lazy, it's their own fault'... Yada Yada Yada. Movin on...

 

[MarcATL]

Would you support it? Do you think it would help heal the deep wounds? Maybe an official Government-sponsored acknowledgement and atonement could lead to reconciliation.

Most African Americans still feel anger and sorrow over how they've been treated. It does seem like an open festering wound. Maybe a kind official gesture could help African Americans forgive and get some kind of closure. What do you think?

No...we have already had two...one was the Civil War...where republicans had to shoot a bunch of democrats to free the black slaves, and the other was the civil rights movement where Republicans tried to keep blacks alive as the democrats and their kkk allies tried to keep them from voting and becoming full citizens....

the actual question should be....

Should the democrat party be disbanded and their assets dissolved to provide school vouchers to help the blacks they have been destroying get a good education?

So all these self-proclaimed conservative Republicans complaining and fighting to keep and maintain those Confederate flags that you say are Democrats are what...confused? On the wrong side, or simply today's conservative southerners?

Based on your own logic, every modern Republican should be for eradicating the old Democratic Confederate flag, no?

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[Anathema]

Well that could be what the problem is. You don't have sympathy. We have to overcome our hate and fear. We have to take a bold step. Let's as a collective nation, show African Americans that we do care about their past and present plight. A kind gesture can go a very long way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Perfect example of what is wrong with America roday.

 

[paulitician]

Well that could be what the problem is. You don't have sympathy. We have to overcome our hate and fear. We have to take a bold step. Let's as a collective nation, show African Americans that we do care about their past and present plight. A kind gesture can go a very long way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Perfect example of what is wrong with America roday.

Sometimes a kind gesture is all it takes. And that isn't happening enough these days. Too many are clinging to their old stubborn hate and pride. That's what's wrong with America today.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

My family didn't arrive here until the late 19th century.... I don't owe anyone an apology for anything.

 

[Papageorgio]

Clinton campaigned on it, he backed it, he wanted and called it a historic event. He loved NAFTA, you are putting out BS, why the hell do you think Hillary is trying to distance herself from Bill on this issue?
You lie so much, you are like your beloved Hillary.

BS ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ George H. W. Booosh and the GOP wrote it and then refused to follow thru on training Clinton wanted. Much like W and Ted and no child left behind. Scumbag GOP every time. Dupe.

Nope, Clinton wanted it, the GOP helped pass it, however, Clinton signed a bill if he vetoed would have been dead. Sorry, I know honesty and responsibility are not your strong suits. But you bastards are as guilty as the GOP, you really need to take some responsibility.

FUND THE TRAINING, dupe. DUH.

Funny how your narrative switched, lol!

Always exactly the same duh.

Keep moving the goal post bud, you are good at that. You haters are gonna hate. It's what you do.

 

[Anathema]

Sometimes a kind gesture is all it takes. And that isn't happening enough these days. Too many are clinging to their old stubborn hate and pride. That's what's wrong with America today.

HEY!!!!..... Hate and Pride are a large part of what make this country great.

 

[Papageorgio]

Jeeebus what a dumb country...Thanks GOP. see sig. Nite.

Glad I block sig propaganda.

The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (750k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/4/2010- don't be duped...again. Stimulus worked-ran out in 2010.
Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

I thought Affirmative Action was atonement for slavery

It's atonement for GOP racism and discrimination duh.

Yeah, that's exactly how it will be painted if it's ever passed, and that's why no Republican will ever vote for it.

It's already passed and approved by the SC...

I'm not reading it, so post your hate propaganda all you want. I've avoided it the past and will continue to do so. You haters are gonna hate and I don't listen to the crap. The extreme left haters and the extreme right haters are so full of crap. You aren't that smart.

 

[MarcATL]

Would you support it? Do you think it would help heal the deep wounds? Maybe an official Government-sponsored acknowledgement and atonement could lead to reconciliation.

Most African Americans still feel anger and sorrow over how they've been treated. It does seem like an open festering wound. Maybe a kind official gesture could help African Americans forgive and get some kind of closure. What do you think?

The government didn't enslave them. That being said if they want an official "we're sorry" that doesn't include reparations I have no problem with that. Reparations though are a non starter.

I'm willing to accept a compromise. But we have to heal this open festering wound. I think an official act could help African Americans forgive. Maybe help them find some sort of closure.

The problem with that is the jesse jacksons of the world have built their empires on creating, and maintaining, the division and hatred. obummer has furthered the separation of the races to foment exactly what is happening. A race war.

How does someone like Jesse "create" division when that division was there before they came on the scene or before they were even born?

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MLK was working towards blacks and whites working together for the common good. That's why he was assassinated. JJ has done nothing to bring the races together and instead has worked to keep them apart. He has raked in millions and millions of dollars by doing so. JJ is about HIM. He could give a crap about the black population.

Who assassinated him, and why?

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[MarcATL]

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

Funny. I can think of all kinds of "reconciliation" that we've done in the past and it hasn't done much good. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results each time.

List the various types of reconciliation that you can remember.

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