POLL: How Bout An Official Gesture Of Atonement For Past Sins Against African Americans?...

[2aguy]

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Says the fascist liberal Nazi....

absolutely clueless. lol

Indeed....

We know where you stand...

Laughed out of polite society and academe, dupe. Communism is pure left (everything state owned), Nazism/fascism is pure right (corporations aristocrats, GOPers). That is RW crap for ignoramuses like you.

Wrong twit....nazis hated capitalism......the internet now allows even morons like you to see the truth.......

Communism, fascism and nazism are all different types of left wing socialism...moron...Conservatism and libertarianism are all right wing...twit....

Read something, shyttehead. The Nazis loved corps and their aristo owners, as long as they weren't jewish. See Messerschmitt, Heinkel, Porsche, Todt, Krupp, etc etc etc. Idiot.

I have moron....you need to look past left wing crap designed to hide the lies of socialism.....

 

[2aguy]

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Says the fascist liberal Nazi....

absolutely clueless. lol

Indeed....

We know where you stand...

Laughed out of polite society and academe, dupe. Communism is pure left (everything state owned), Nazism/fascism is pure right (corporations aristocrats, GOPers). That is RW crap for ignoramuses like you.

Wrong twit....nazis hated capitalism......the internet now allows even morons like you to see the truth.......

Communism, fascism and nazism are all different types of left wing socialism...moron...Conservatism and libertarianism are all right wing...twit....

Read something, shyttehead. The Nazis loved corps and their aristo owners, as long as they weren't jewish. See Messerschmitt, Heinkel, Porsche, Todt, Krupp, etc etc etc. Idiot.

Here you go...learn something.....

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

11/11/2005George Reisman


My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party — Mises's identification might not appear all that noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?

Nevertheless, apart from Mises and his readers, practically no one thinks of Nazi Germany as a socialist state. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

 

[2aguy]

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Says the fascist liberal Nazi....

absolutely clueless. lol

Indeed....

We know where you stand...

Laughed out of polite society and academe, dupe. Communism is pure left (everything state owned), Nazism/fascism is pure right (corporations aristocrats, GOPers). That is RW crap for ignoramuses like you.

Wrong twit....nazis hated capitalism......the internet now allows even morons like you to see the truth.......

Communism, fascism and nazism are all different types of left wing socialism...moron...Conservatism and libertarianism are all right wing...twit....

Read something, shyttehead. The Nazis loved corps and their aristo owners, as long as they weren't jewish. See Messerschmitt, Heinkel, Porsche, Todt, Krupp, etc etc etc. Idiot.

Read some more....notice when this was written twit.......

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational.


The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.

But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.”


It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs.

It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

 

[Searcher44]

Would you support it? Do you think it would help heal the deep wounds? Maybe an official Government-sponsored acknowledgement and atonement could lead to reconciliation.

Most African Americans still feel anger and sorrow over how they've been treated. It does seem like an open festering wound. Maybe a kind official gesture could help African Americans forgive and get some kind of closure. What do you think?

Never work, most Americans think time heals all wounds. Statute of Limitations and all that. Maybe even Double Jeopardy - many think the South paid big time during that period of Reconstruction, before they invented the KKK.

 

[Anathema]

I have an idea for our Afro-American population that wants reparations.....

An all expense paid, ONE WAY ticket on a cruise ship, back to their country of origin or Liberia; their choice for them and their whole family.

Removal of their pesky US Citizenship upon reaching International Waters.

Freezing and confiscation of those unpleasant assets that might make them think of their time enslaved here in the USA.

This should go a long way to returning these individuals to the third world, subsistence level existence their great-great-great great-great-great grandparents had before being enslaved; which they apparently prefer.

 

[paulitician]

It's not about you personally being responsible. It's about a collective nation's responsibility. As a nation, we should extend a kind gesture of acknowledgement to both African Americans and Native Americans. I think they would appreciate it, and it could lead to some peace.

I think they wouldn't even hear about it yet alone give a F. It's just like the site I posted earlier about Congress apologizing for slavery in an effort to buy votes. Go ask the next ten black people you run into if they know anything about it.

Our country didn't enslave blacks, people did. Our country didn't discriminate against blacks, people did, and those people are long gone now. There is no reason for people today that had nothing to do with awful things to somehow try to make things up.

I suppose YOU think that if we did something like that, it would end the violence, end the poverty, end the lack of education, end the racial disparities.

I'd bet you a months paycheck vs a week of yours that Black Dopes Matter would still be out there the next day protesting and causing problems. It wouldn't change one thing.

"Folks, liberals measure success by intent. Conservatives measure success by results."
Rush Limbaugh

Nah, i think most would appreciate it and could then find some closure. I have more faith than you do.

 

[paulitician]

Sadly, i have to admit i've observed a whole lotta vicious white racism on this thread. I'm actually surprised at how much. And it does appear it is coming from self-avowed Republicans.

It really does reinforce the feeling that the Republican Party is a racist Party. It's one of the reasons i'm no longer a Republican. It's gone in a direction that i'm no longer comfortable with. It saddens me.

Yeah, and we really miss you too.

You likely will. Good luck gettin the White House back. Y'all probably won't be seeing it for a very long time.

 

[paulitician]

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

Funny. I can think of all kinds of "reconciliation" that we've done in the past and it hasn't done much good. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results each time.

Let's give it a shot. Let's do it big. A Bipartisan piece of official acknowledgement and atonement. I truly believe it could help. We've got nothing to lose by trying.

 

[paulitician]

That's the same as forcing a personal apology from every American.

Go fuck yourself. I've done nothing to apologize for.

It's not. It's a collective acknowledgement of the awful suffering African Americans have endured for centuries. It would do our nation's conscience some good. Maybe then we could move on.

Horseshit. Why would I apologize for something I haven't done? "Collective acknowledgements" are horseshit propaganda. They mean nothing, and only provide a justification for demanding concessions, like reparations.

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

By definition. Hang it up. And vote dem to help ALL the victims of the New BS GOP. see sig.

NO ONE IS FOR REPARATIONS, people. 99% GOP strwman.

There it is, folks. Liberals look at anyone they can as a victim. They make victims where none exist in order to push an agenda.

Your sig line, much like you, is a worthless piece of shit.

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

 

[Anathema]

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

Then what is it about?.... Worthless words that have no meaning or value?

 

[paulitician]

Not talkin about a personal apology. I'm talkin about a collective nation acknowledgement and atonement gesture.

That's the same as forcing a personal apology from every American.

Go fuck yourself. I've done nothing to apologize for.

It's not. It's a collective acknowledgement of the awful suffering African Americans have endured for centuries. It would do our nation's conscience some good. Maybe then we could move on.

Horseshit. Why would I apologize for something I haven't done? "Collective acknowledgements" are horseshit propaganda. They mean nothing, and only provide a justification for demanding concessions, like reparations.

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

I have nothing to reconcile on this matter.

We as a nation do. And until we face it and reach some sort of reconciliation, the wound won't be healed.

 

[Conservative65]

It's not. It's a collective acknowledgement of the awful suffering African Americans have endured for centuries. It would do our nation's conscience some good. Maybe then we could move on.

Horseshit. Why would I apologize for something I haven't done? "Collective acknowledgements" are horseshit propaganda. They mean nothing, and only provide a justification for demanding concessions, like reparations.

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

By definition. Hang it up. And vote dem to help ALL the victims of the New BS GOP. see sig.

NO ONE IS FOR REPARATIONS, people. 99% GOP strwman.

There it is, folks. Liberals look at anyone they can as a victim. They make victims where none exist in order to push an agenda.

Your sig line, much like you, is a worthless piece of shit.

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

I don't owe black people reparations or an apology. It doesn't matter whether it monetary or not. It's the premise behind what you support. You want those that didn't do things to apologize to that the didn't have those things done to them.

 

[Conservative65]

That's the same as forcing a personal apology from every American.

Go fuck yourself. I've done nothing to apologize for.

It's not. It's a collective acknowledgement of the awful suffering African Americans have endured for centuries. It would do our nation's conscience some good. Maybe then we could move on.

Horseshit. Why would I apologize for something I haven't done? "Collective acknowledgements" are horseshit propaganda. They mean nothing, and only provide a justification for demanding concessions, like reparations.

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

I have nothing to reconcile on this matter.

We as a nation do. And until we face it and reach some sort of reconciliation, the wound won't be healed.

Nope.

 

[paulitician]

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

Then what is it about?.... Worthless words that have no meaning or value?

Not so 'worthless' to some. The Nation as a whole, still hasn't properly acknowledged and atoned for how African Americans and Native Americans have been treated. The wound is still bleeding.

 

[paulitician]

Horseshit. Why would I apologize for something I haven't done? "Collective acknowledgements" are horseshit propaganda. They mean nothing, and only provide a justification for demanding concessions, like reparations.

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

By definition. Hang it up. And vote dem to help ALL the victims of the New BS GOP. see sig.

NO ONE IS FOR REPARATIONS, people. 99% GOP strwman.

There it is, folks. Liberals look at anyone they can as a victim. They make victims where none exist in order to push an agenda.

Your sig line, much like you, is a worthless piece of shit.

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

I don't owe black people reparations or an apology. It doesn't matter whether it monetary or not. It's the premise behind what you support. You want those that didn't do things to apologize to that the didn't have those things done to them.

Collectively, as a nation. Not you personally. If we openly officially acknowledge what was done to African Americans and Native Americans, maybe they can forgive and move on.

 

[Desperado]

What the hell are you thinking?
An official opology? Are you out of your fucking mind? That would only feed the fire!

 

[Conservative65]

If there is no reconciliation, the wound will remain open. The problem won't go away.

By definition. Hang it up. And vote dem to help ALL the victims of the New BS GOP. see sig.

NO ONE IS FOR REPARATIONS, people. 99% GOP strwman.

There it is, folks. Liberals look at anyone they can as a victim. They make victims where none exist in order to push an agenda.

Your sig line, much like you, is a worthless piece of shit.

He or she was just pointing out that it's not about monetary reparations. Some are pushing that, but most aren't.

I don't owe black people reparations or an apology. It doesn't matter whether it monetary or not. It's the premise behind what you support. You want those that didn't do things to apologize to that the didn't have those things done to them.

Collectively, as a nation. Not you personally. If we openly officially acknowledge what was done to African Americans and Native Americans, maybe they can forgive and move on.

Since I'm part of this nation, there is no difference.

I'm part of a local organization that was contemplating endorsing one of the candidates for local office. It wasn't the candidate that I personally supported but had the organization endorsed one, as a member of it, the appearance would have been that I also endorsed that person.

 

[Conservative65]

What the hell are you thinking?
An official opology? Are you out of your fucking mind? That would only feed the fire!

The next step would be for them to say now that you admitted it, you owe us.

 

[paulitician]

What the hell are you thinking?
An official opology? Are you out of your fucking mind? That would only feed the fire!

I think we're feeding the fire by avoiding facing it.

 

[Anathema]

Not so 'worthless' to some. The Nation as a whole, still hasn't properly acknowledged and atoned for how African Americans and Native Americans have been treated. The wound is still bleeding.

Acknowledged what? That we were involved in a practice that nearly every nation has used at one time or another? Or that we drove tribal people who were unable or unwilling to leave, off their land? Show me a Great nation that never did so.

I have far greater sympathy for the acts of the US Government against the horses of the Plains tribes than I do for the Indians themselves..... Adapt, Defeat, or Die. Those are the only options that should be available to an invaded people.