[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[ShawnChris13]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Any amount disproportionately assigned to any class of income that discriminates on anyone specifically. Such as our current tax rate which runs from 38-63% on anyone that actually earns money in the United States.

Insurance spreads risk across populations. The fortunate, that don't suffer the loss of whatever's insured, pay for the misfortunate who do.

Progressive income tax does the same. It spreads the consequence of good fortune, to those unfortunate.

And it keeps the biggest risk of capitalism, dysfunctional wealth inequality, under control.

America as we've known it, wouldn't exist without it.

Taxation and insurance are apples and oranges. Purchasing an insurance product and taxing people because of their success is not related nor comparable. America existed for a long time without "Progressive" ideals. Also America was arguably a stronger nation without them.

 

[PMZ]

Any amount disproportionately assigned to any class of income that discriminates on anyone specifically. Such as our current tax rate which runs from 38-63% on anyone that actually earns money in the United States.

Insurance spreads risk across populations. The fortunate, that don't suffer the loss of whatever's insured, pay for the misfortunate who do.

Progressive income tax does the same. It spreads the consequence of good fortune, to those unfortunate.

And it keeps the biggest risk of capitalism, dysfunctional wealth inequality, under control.

America as we've known it, wouldn't exist without it.

Taxation and insurance are apples and oranges. Purchasing an insurance product and taxing people because of their success is not related nor comparable. America existed for a long time without "Progressive" ideals. Also America was arguably a stronger nation without them.

No evidence.

 

[bripat9643]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

 

[PMZ]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

Life is not fair. Why should taxes be?

 

[RKMBrown]

You weren't clear enough or I read you wrong. I apologize for my confusion. However I agree with what I assume your point is.

I agree with your last point. China is a perfect example of socialists who instituted capitalism alongside their governmental structure in order to become successful.

And how did they become more successful? "It is gladdening to see that the Chinese government is not only handing out food, or giving the poor people fish, but also giving them a hand up in life, that is teaching them how to fish," Rierson said. UN official praises China´s poverty reduction CCTV News - CNTV English

Clearly, they are copying us.

No, they are copying conservatives. They are laughing at libtards like Obama and his green energy programs.

 

[orogenicman]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

That isn't actually true. But yes, I do have a question. Why did you not answer my question? Do you need me to post it again? Oh wait, I just did.

 

[PMZ]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

That isn't actually true. But yes, I do have a question. Why did you not answer my question? Do you need me to post it again? Oh wait, I just did.

As masters of the universe they are entitled to ask questions but not required to answer them. Rush Limbaugh conferred that entitlement.

 

[bripat9643]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

That isn't actually true. But yes, I do have a question. Why did you not answer my question? Do you need me to post it again? Oh wait, I just did.

Yes, it is true. What have you done that entitles you to anything I've earned? I did answer the question. You just aren't able to comprehend the answer.

 

[PMZ]

And how did they become more successful? "It is gladdening to see that the Chinese government is not only handing out food, or giving the poor people fish, but also giving them a hand up in life, that is teaching them how to fish," Rierson said. UN official praises China´s poverty reduction CCTV News - CNTV English

Clearly, they are copying us.

No, they are copying conservatives. They are laughing at libtards like Obama and his green energy programs.

And choking on their air.

If they were copying conservatives their economy would be shrinking, not growing.

 

[RKMBrown]

Clearly, they are copying us.

No, they are copying conservatives. They are laughing at libtards like Obama and his green energy programs.

And choking on their air.

If they were copying conservatives their economy would be shrinking, not growing.

Huh? You are the stupidest human alive. Male or female? I'd like to the courtesy of knowing whether it's ok to curse you out, or whether I have to hold the door for you in spite of your plans to destroy my country with socialism.

 

[orogenicman]

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

That isn't actually true. But yes, I do have a question. Why did you not answer my question? Do you need me to post it again? Oh wait, I just did.

Yes, it is true. What have you done that entitles you to anything I've earned? I did answer the question. You just aren't able to comprehend the answer.

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

And no you didn't answer my question. I asked what is an unfair share. You did not address this. You assume that you don't have to pay anything, apparently. If you believe that, perhaps you need to find another country in which to live, because as citizens of the U.S., you and I are constitutionally required to pay taxes. And by Constitutional law, the government is required to determine what those taxes are and how to collect them. So my question to you and anyone else, what constitutes an unfair share?

 

[ShawnChris13]

Conservatives, how much is an unfair share?

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

Life is not fair. Why should taxes be?

No evidence.

 

[ShawnChris13]

That isn't actually true. But yes, I do have a question. Why did you not answer my question? Do you need me to post it again? Oh wait, I just did.

Yes, it is true. What have you done that entitles you to anything I've earned? I did answer the question. You just aren't able to comprehend the answer.

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

None of which entitled you to the money any other individual earns. We had roads before the income tax. We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth.

 

[bripat9643]

Clearly, they are copying us.

No, they are copying conservatives. They are laughing at libtards like Obama and his green energy programs.

And choking on their air.

If they were copying conservatives their economy would be shrinking, not growing.

Can you list any libturd policy the Chinese have implemented in the last 30 years?

 

[orogenicman]

Yes, it is true. What have you done that entitles you to anything I've earned? I did answer the question. You just aren't able to comprehend the answer.

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

None of which entitled you to the money any other individual earns. We had roads before the income tax. We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth.

OMG. Folks this is what this guys wishes we had for roads today:

 

[PMZ]

Your "fair share" of my income is zero.

Any questions?

Life is not fair. Why should taxes be?

No evidence.

Every day is full of evidence for those with both eyes open.

 

[dcraelin]

If a Direct tax is defined as Pinckney did (as it should be). I would not have much of a problem applying apportionment.

That being said I see an income tax as an indirect tax and so could still support one, as indirect taxes need no apportionment.

POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO is one of the many idiotic decisions made by the supreme court, and is defunct now anyway.

And, you still have not answered the question.

I happen to support our Constitution and the documented intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted. JWK

"On every question of construction [of the Constitution], carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."--Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

I answered the question....all u gotta do is read with a little comprehension.

 

[PMZ]

Yes, it is true. What have you done that entitles you to anything I've earned? I did answer the question. You just aren't able to comprehend the answer.

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

None of which entitled you to the money any other individual earns. We had roads before the income tax. We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth.

Now that the wealthy with their bought and payed for political party have had a decade of redistributing wealth up, and the wealthy are in possession of all but the 15% of it shared by 80% of us, they think that they are entitled to what they stole from the middle class.

So they say "We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth."

They would, the country won't be. There is no doubt that the efforts of the wealthy to have it all are destructive to the country. No question that their successful wealth redistribution efforts have put the entire country at risk.

Fortunately we know how to restore what works. And we will.

 

[ShawnChris13]

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

None of which entitled you to the money any other individual earns. We had roads before the income tax. We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth.

OMG. Folks this is what this guys wishes we had for roads today:

Yes where would we be without the government to pave roads for us? Only the government can pay with money to pave a road. Companies have no interest in paving roads to transport goods.

 

[ShawnChris13]

I fought for you; I also cleaned up hundreds of gasoline service stations and hazardous waste sites so you and your family don't die of chemical exposure, both situations of which put me at risk for your sake. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that you apparently want your cake and eat it too. My taxes pay for your roads, for your freedoms and privileges, just as yours does mine. That's what it means to be a citizen. Do you ever recite the pledge of allegiance? Ever read the Constitution?

None of which entitled you to the money any other individual earns. We had roads before the income tax. We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth.

Now that the wealthy with their bought and payed for political party have had a decade of redistributing wealth up, and the wealthy are in possession of all but the 15% of it shared by 80% of us, they think that they are entitled to what they stole from the middle class.

So they say "We'd be fine without the redistribution of wealth."

They would, the country won't be. There is no doubt that the efforts of the wealthy to have it all are destructive to the country. No question that their successful wealth redistribution efforts have put the entire country at risk.

Fortunately we know how to restore what works. And we will.

Restore what works? Also I'm far from wealthy. What's being restored that works so well? Taking my money?