[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Uncensored2008]

Stadium subsidies are a good example of the hypocrisy of Republicans when it comes to government spending.

In Cobb Co. Georgia, the 4 republicans on the commission voted for over 300million in subsidies for a stadium, the one Democrat voted no, although she said she just wanted more time to consider terms. The Republicans were all for the subsidy.

Cobb County commissioners approve plan for Braves stadium

You may be a mindless partisan hack, but at least.

Wait, there is no "at least," you're just a hack.

{Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has decided to spend $1 million in federal grants — money that had been avidly sought by residents of Skid Row — to instead o instead help out San Francisco–based Gensler, a 2,800-employee giant that enjoyed $463 million in revenue last year.

The mayor has vowed that the NFL stadium won’t get a dollar from taxpayers, but the $1 million would go to the lead architectural firm for the stadium.}

Huge Subsidy for Stadium Architect - Page 1 - News - Los Angeles - LA Weekly

You remember Villaraigosa? Opened up the convention for you shameful democrats?

 

[ShawnChris13]

3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individ- ual mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.



Straight from SCOTUS PMZ. They changed the law and defined it as a tax. No matter how roundabout they did it, they didn't rule it unconstitutional and they changed it.

How does making the obvious statement that the chit they called a mandate is not a mandate at all? YOU ARE NOT MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. You are taxed if you don't. Perhaps you are just confused by the difference between use of the term mandate and use of the term mandating. This is a typical confusion of many to not get the subtle difference between the name of a thing and the actions of the thing.

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

 

[PMZ]

3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individ- ual mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.

Straight from SCOTUS PMZ. They changed the law and defined it as a tax. No matter how roundabout they did it, they didn't rule it unconstitutional and they changed it.

A law consists of the specific words recoded in Congressional records that are exactly what was voted on when the law passed. Those words can't be changed by anyone but Congress with an amendment.

 

[PMZ]

3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individ- ual mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.

Straight from SCOTUS PMZ. They changed the law and defined it as a tax. No matter how roundabout they did it, they didn't rule it unconstitutional and they changed it.

How does making the obvious statement that the chit they called a mandate is not a mandate at all? YOU ARE NOT MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. You are taxed if you don't. Perhaps you are just confused by the difference between use of the term mandate and use of the term mandating. This is a typical confusion of many to not get the subtle difference between the name of a thing and the actions of the thing.

You can argue that every law is exactly like that. What you can be forced to do is not comply with the law but, rather, suffer the consequences prescribed by the law for infractions.

 

[dcraelin]

Stadium subsidies are a good example of the hypocrisy of Republicans when it comes to government spending.

In Cobb Co. Georgia, the 4 republicans on the commission voted for over 300million in subsidies for a stadium, the one Democrat voted no, although she said she just wanted more time to consider terms. The Republicans were all for the subsidy.

Cobb County commissioners approve plan for Braves stadium

You may be a mindless partisan hack, but at least.
Wait, there is no "at least," you're just a hack.
{Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has decided to spend $1 million in federal grants — money that had been avidly sought by residents of Skid Row — to instead o instead help out San Francisco–based Gensler, a 2,800-employee giant that enjoyed $463 million in revenue last year.
The mayor has vowed that the NFL stadium won’t get a dollar from taxpayers, but the $1 million would go to the lead architectural firm for the stadium.}
Huge Subsidy for Stadium Architect - Page 1 - News - Los Angeles - LA Weekly
You remember Villaraigosa? Opened up the convention for you shameful democrats?

I disapprove of democrats subsidizing too but it is less hypocritical because some of them get elected supporting greater public spending on such projects. Most Republicans don't.

That's what makes it hypocritical.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I disapprove of democrats subsidizing too but it is less hypocritical because some of them get elected supporting greater public spending on such projects. Most Republicans don't.

That's what makes it hypocritical.

ROFL

It's wrong for Republicans, but right for our GLORIOUS PEOPLES democrats...

 

[dcraelin]

I disapprove of democrats subsidizing too but it is less hypocritical because some of them get elected supporting greater public spending on such projects. Most Republicans don't.

That's what makes it hypocritical.

ROFL

It's wrong for Republicans, but right for our GLORIOUS PEOPLES democrats...

CAN YOU READ?????? Didnt say it was right, said it was less hypocritical....look up the word after your done rolling on the floor.

 

[RKMBrown]

3. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–B that the individ- ual mandate must be construed as imposing a tax on those who do not have health insurance, if such a construction is reasonable.



Straight from SCOTUS PMZ. They changed the law and defined it as a tax. No matter how roundabout they did it, they didn't rule it unconstitutional and they changed it.

How does making the obvious statement that the chit they called a mandate is not a mandate at all? YOU ARE NOT MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. You are taxed if you don't. Perhaps you are just confused by the difference between use of the term mandate and use of the term mandating. This is a typical confusion of many to not get the subtle difference between the name of a thing and the actions of the thing.

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

 

[PMZ]

How does making the obvious statement that the chit they called a mandate is not a mandate at all? YOU ARE NOT MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. You are taxed if you don't. Perhaps you are just confused by the difference between use of the term mandate and use of the term mandating. This is a typical confusion of many to not get the subtle difference between the name of a thing and the actions of the thing.

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

If you are too irresponsible to provide for your own health care, chances are the day will come when we will have to bail you out. Using your money to bail you out is infinitely more sensible.

 

[ShawnChris13]

How does making the obvious statement that the chit they called a mandate is not a mandate at all? YOU ARE NOT MANDATED TO BUY INSURANCE. You are taxed if you don't. Perhaps you are just confused by the difference between use of the term mandate and use of the term mandating. This is a typical confusion of many to not get the subtle difference between the name of a thing and the actions of the thing.

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

You get a credit on taxes the year you but a house. Incredibly out of context point by you.

If you buy a car, you buy car insurance for he car. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying car insurance.

If you buy a house, you can buy flood insurance. You don't face a penalty for not buying flood insurance.

If you buy an expensive antique you buy insurance in case it's ever broken. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying accident insurance for antiques.

But wait! If you are healthy and don't feel you need insurance, you face a "tax" penalty. Why? Because you've been mandated to do it so that those less fortunate can receive tax subsidies. My 'fascination' appears only to be that I point out the obvious while you allow yourself to think that not borrowing money for a house (which means you paid cash if you bought the house) is the same as being forced to pay for other peoples insurance.

 

[Gadawg73]

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

If you are too irresponsible to provide for your own health care, chances are the day will come when we will have to bail you out. Using your money to bail you out is infinitely more sensible.

Many people are able to provide and pay for all of their own health care without insurance. That is how it was done for hundreds of years.
Tens of millions will still be UNINSURED 10 years from now.
NO LAW makes people buy insurance. Only the gullible and naive believes that.
Sad that the low information voter is just that and has elected their man twice.

 

[PMZ]

You are charged a penalty if you don't buy insurance. A tax is something easily definable. Just because the IRS charges you money doesn't mean it's tax. You think the late fee for not paying taxes is a tax? Is the interest on a mortgage a tax? Tax tax tax everything's a tax!

No. You are mandated to buy insurance and if you don't you pay a penalty.

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

You get a credit on taxes the year you but a house. Incredibly out of context point by you.

If you buy a car, you buy car insurance for he car. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying car insurance.

If you buy a house, you can buy flood insurance. You don't face a penalty for not buying flood insurance.

If you buy an expensive antique you buy insurance in case it's ever broken. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying accident insurance for antiques.

But wait! If you are healthy and don't feel you need insurance, you face a "tax" penalty. Why? Because you've been mandated to do it so that those less fortunate can receive tax subsidies. My 'fascination' appears only to be that I point out the obvious while you allow yourself to think that not borrowing money for a house (which means you paid cash if you bought the house) is the same as being forced to pay for other peoples insurance.

Inaccurate.

You are required to buy health care insurance because we almost all have health care expenses. And, as a society, we've decided that we would rather pay for emergency care than have people dying in the streets. Or allow you to declare bankruptcy if you can't pay your bills.

So if you decide to be irresponsible, we will collect funds from you to cover your virtually inevitable expenses.

We will avoid rewarding irresponsibility and will require personal responsibility.

Just like every other law does.

 

[PMZ]

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

If you are too irresponsible to provide for your own health care, chances are the day will come when we will have to bail you out. Using your money to bail you out is infinitely more sensible.

Many people are able to provide and pay for all of their own health care without insurance. That is how it was done for hundreds of years.
Tens of millions will still be UNINSURED 10 years from now.
NO LAW makes people buy insurance. Only the gullible and naive believes that.
Sad that the low information voter is just that and has elected their man twice.

Perhaps it's escaped you that health care costs and technology has been going up faster than inflation for decades.

And that very few people have liquid assets sufficient to cover worst case health care costs. And only a few of them would choose to self insure.

No law can make anyone do anything. Every law imposes consequences for non compliance.

So ACA imposes consequences for the irresponsible behavior of putting others at risk for having to pay your medical bills.

 

[ShawnChris13]

Said another way you are free to buy insurance or not. If you don't buy insurance you get taxed, if you do buy insurance you are are exempted from this new tax just like all the other taxes you are exempted from if you meet other exemptions. This one called the mandate(-tax) is but one of six new taxes on health care in the "affordable health care act" that is not affordable either. Should we say it's UN-constitutional because they lied about it being affordable? This fascination with the term mandate is really quite silly.

Am I mandated to buy a house? Why not? If I don't borrow money for a house have to pay more in taxes, which is in effect a mandate that we get loans for houses or face the home loan mandate in the the form of additional taxes.

You get a credit on taxes the year you but a house. Incredibly out of context point by you.

If you buy a car, you buy car insurance for he car. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying car insurance.

If you buy a house, you can buy flood insurance. You don't face a penalty for not buying flood insurance.

If you buy an expensive antique you buy insurance in case it's ever broken. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying accident insurance for antiques.

But wait! If you are healthy and don't feel you need insurance, you face a "tax" penalty. Why? Because you've been mandated to do it so that those less fortunate can receive tax subsidies. My 'fascination' appears only to be that I point out the obvious while you allow yourself to think that not borrowing money for a house (which means you paid cash if you bought the house) is the same as being forced to pay for other peoples insurance.

Inaccurate.

You are required to buy health care insurance because we almost all have health care expenses. And, as a society, we've decided that we would rather pay for emergency care than have people dying in the streets. Or allow you to declare bankruptcy if you can't pay your bills.

So if you decide to be irresponsible, we will collect funds from you to cover your virtually inevitable expenses.

We will avoid rewarding irresponsibility and will require personal responsibility.

Just like every other law does.

I have health insurance. You have propaganda and buy into whatever it is that comes out of the left.

 

[PMZ]

You get a credit on taxes the year you but a house. Incredibly out of context point by you.

If you buy a car, you buy car insurance for he car. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying car insurance.

If you buy a house, you can buy flood insurance. You don't face a penalty for not buying flood insurance.

If you buy an expensive antique you buy insurance in case it's ever broken. You don't face a tax penalty for not buying accident insurance for antiques.

But wait! If you are healthy and don't feel you need insurance, you face a "tax" penalty. Why? Because you've been mandated to do it so that those less fortunate can receive tax subsidies. My 'fascination' appears only to be that I point out the obvious while you allow yourself to think that not borrowing money for a house (which means you paid cash if you bought the house) is the same as being forced to pay for other peoples insurance.

Inaccurate.

You are required to buy health care insurance because we almost all have health care expenses. And, as a society, we've decided that we would rather pay for emergency care than have people dying in the streets. Or allow you to declare bankruptcy if you can't pay your bills.

So if you decide to be irresponsible, we will collect funds from you to cover your virtually inevitable expenses.

We will avoid rewarding irresponsibility and will require personal responsibility.

Just like every other law does.

I have health insurance. You have propaganda and buy into whatever it is that comes out of the left.

You need health care insurance adequate to insure that you've put yourself in a position to be personally responsible for your health care costs. The advantage to you is to reduce the likelihood that you will have to pay for other's health care in your insurance bill.

 

[ShawnChris13]

Inaccurate.

You are required to buy health care insurance because we almost all have health care expenses. And, as a society, we've decided that we would rather pay for emergency care than have people dying in the streets. Or allow you to declare bankruptcy if you can't pay your bills.

So if you decide to be irresponsible, we will collect funds from you to cover your virtually inevitable expenses.

We will avoid rewarding irresponsibility and will require personal responsibility.

Just like every other law does.

I have health insurance. You have propaganda and buy into whatever it is that comes out of the left.

You need health care insurance adequate to insure that you've put yourself in a position to be personally responsible for your health care costs. The advantage to you is to reduce the likelihood that you will have to pay for other's health care in your insurance bill.

Bro that's not how it works. People get bills whether or not they have their insurance.

And you still haven't explained your contradiction about the SCOTUS.

 

[PMZ]

I have health insurance. You have propaganda and buy into whatever it is that comes out of the left.

You need health care insurance adequate to insure that you've put yourself in a position to be personally responsible for your health care costs. The advantage to you is to reduce the likelihood that you will have to pay for other's health care in your insurance bill.

Bro that's not how it works. People get bills whether or not they have their insurance.

And you still haven't explained your contradiction about the SCOTUS.

That’s exactly how it works. Inconvenient for those who want ACA to fail for political reasons.

I have no idea what your second paragraph is supposed to mean.

 

[Gadawg73]

The law in every state is YOU are responsible for ALL of your health care bills. YOU have to pay them.
The relationship between you and your insurance company HAS NOTHING to do with the relationship between you and ALL health care providers regardless of what financial arrangement insurers have with medical providers. If you have health insurance that does not mean YOU are not responsible for 100% of all of the health care bills you run up. Your agreement with your health insurance company is 100% separate from your agreement with health care providers and each are a third NON party to each other in all financial agreements, arrangements and contracts.
Too bad Democrats and most Republicans do not know this.

 

[PMZ]

The law in every state is YOU are responsible for ALL of your health care bills. YOU have to pay them.
The relationship between you and your insurance company HAS NOTHING to do with the relationship between you and ALL health care providers regardless of what financial arrangement insurers have with medical providers. If you have health insurance that does not mean YOU are not responsible for 100% of all of the health care bills you run up. Your agreement with your health insurance company is 100% separate from your agreement with health care providers and each are a third NON party to each other in all financial agreements, arrangements and contracts.
Too bad Democrats and most Republicans do not know this.

What you are trying desperately to ignore is emergency room and urgent care treatment and medical bankruptcy. The two things that allow people to avoid responsibility for their own healthcare costs. That allow them to get others to pay their bills.

 

[Gadawg73]

The law in every state is YOU are responsible for ALL of your health care bills. YOU have to pay them.
The relationship between you and your insurance company HAS NOTHING to do with the relationship between you and ALL health care providers regardless of what financial arrangement insurers have with medical providers. If you have health insurance that does not mean YOU are not responsible for 100% of all of the health care bills you run up. Your agreement with your health insurance company is 100% separate from your agreement with health care providers and each are a third NON party to each other in all financial agreements, arrangements and contracts.
Too bad Democrats and most Republicans do not know this.

What you are trying desperately to ignore is emergency room and urgent care treatment and medical bankruptcy. The two things that allow people to avoid responsibility for their own healthcare costs. That allow them to get others to pay their bills.

ACA does nothing to address that or stop those that go there now.
You are the one ignoring that fact.
Tens of millions will STILL be uninsured and going there 10 years from now ACA or not.
You have this pipe dream that ACA changes people's behavior.
Show me where ONE, JUST ONE government program has changed the behavior of citizens.