Poll: Should the Govt provide every American with free guns?

[2aguy]

Poll: Should the Govt provide every American with free guns?

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

Voted no. Government should not be the source
of free anything.

"
Voted no. Government should not be the source
of free anything"

so....no more public roads?

no more police department?

(criminals will like that! are YOU a criminal?)

no more fire department

no more military to keep the iranians or the north koreans or the chinese or russians off our property.....

Sorry...those things are in the Constitution...those are the "General Welfare," of the general welfare clause.......and police and public roads are essentially a state concern outside of the interstate........the interstate is "general welfare," so........your point is innaccurate.

 

[2aguy]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

 

[2aguy]

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

at a minimum there shouldnt be any taxs on them or ammo

If it is a right, shouldn’t the govt provide them to us for free?

No....they don't provide ink for the press, they don't provide churches for religion. They are simply prevented from blocking those activities.

 

[harmonica]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

1. we've been over your bullshit a million times already
2. UNDENIABLE-firearms designed to kill --only

 

[2aguy]

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

at a minimum there shouldnt be any taxs on them or ammo

If it is a right, shouldn’t the govt provide them to us for free?

governments arent to provide rights they are to protect them

So why are Dimsocialists telling us the govt has to give us healthcare?

Cause they're stupid....

 

[2aguy]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

1. we've been over your bullshit a million times already
2. UNDENIABLE-firearms designed to kill --only

Except no.......guns are used most of the time to save lives and most of the time they are never fired in order to do this...........

They are designed, at the most basic level, to save the life of the one using them.....

 

[2aguy]

Since the Dimsocialists have invented the right to free healthcare out of thin air, and claim the govt has to provide it to all Americans, it seems reasonable that the REAL RIGHT to bear arms, which is actually in the Constitution, requires the govt to provide those arms free of charge to every American.

Let’s see if there are any non-hypocritical Dimsocialists on the board.

Sure, and let's make sure they are given enough ammunition, and everyone is to receive a CCW license without one of those messy background checks.

Where in the Constitution does it mention background checks?

Ask them if they think we should have a background check for voting...since in many states felons are not allowed to vote. That would mean everyone needs to go through a background check before they vote to keep felons from voting...

See how they like background checks then...

 

[Nostra]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

 

[progressive hunter]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

1. we've been over your bullshit a million times already
2. UNDENIABLE-firearms designed to kill --only

designed to kill bad guys,,,so by doing that they save more lives than they take,,,

 

[2aguy]

The second amendment is my license. Stupid commie.

"The second amendment is my license. Stupid commie."


is it?

who are you that you don't need to show any ID when buying a a gun....

how do I know you really ARE an American citizen with 2nd amendment rights?

you could be an islamic terrorist trying to buy weapons so you can kill REAL Americans...

sorry...

before i will concede you your 2nd amendment rights we are going to have to do a background check to PROVE you REALLY ARE an American.

An American, not a liberal commie scumbag like you.

You'll need a background check to prove

1. you are not a violent criminal
2. you are not a terrorist
3. you are a REAL American

Oh, then you're cool with Voter ID, so people have to prove they're real Americans?

It's not likely someone who casts a vote illegally kills another with that vote.

Doesn't matter....felons are not allowed to vote...so we need a completed criminal background check to make sure they don't vote.

 

[2aguy]

"The second amendment is my license. Stupid commie."


is it?

who are you that you don't need to show any ID when buying a a gun....

how do I know you really ARE an American citizen with 2nd amendment rights?

you could be an islamic terrorist trying to buy weapons so you can kill REAL Americans...

sorry...

before i will concede you your 2nd amendment rights we are going to have to do a background check to PROVE you REALLY ARE an American.

An American, not a liberal commie scumbag like you.

You'll need a background check to prove

1. you are not a violent criminal
2. you are not a terrorist
3. you are a REAL American

Oh, then you're cool with Voter ID, so people have to prove they're real Americans?

It's not likely someone who casts a vote illegally kills another with that vote.

Can kill more with a vote or a pen then you can with a gun.

The communist manifesto is still killing people...

 

[2aguy]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

1. we've been over your bullshit a million times already
2. UNDENIABLE-firearms designed to kill --only

designed to kill bad guys,,,so by doing that they save more lives than they take,,,

Here......someone runs the numbers....

Gun murder in 2019...10,265....

Lives saved on average.... 176,000 from rape, robbery and murder, kidnapping.....etc....

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.




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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
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It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
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How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

 

[progressive hunter]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Guns save lives......

Americans use their guns more often to save lives than take them........1.1 million times a year according to the CDC.

1. we've been over your bullshit a million times already
2. UNDENIABLE-firearms designed to kill --only

designed to kill bad guys,,,so by doing that they save more lives than they take,,,

Here......someone runs the numbers....

Gun murder in 2019...10,265....

Lives saved on average.... 176,000 from rape, robbery and murder, kidnapping.....etc....

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.




==============
Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
--------
It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
--------------
How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

and that doesnt even take into account of the lives saved by keeping a runaway government in check, which ours has done for 240+ yrs,,,

 

[Hellokitty]

What about free gun safes...

 

[Rye Catcher]

"The second amendment is my license. Stupid commie."


is it?

who are you that you don't need to show any ID when buying a a gun....

how do I know you really ARE an American citizen with 2nd amendment rights?

you could be an islamic terrorist trying to buy weapons so you can kill REAL Americans...

sorry...

before i will concede you your 2nd amendment rights we are going to have to do a background check to PROVE you REALLY ARE an American.

An American, not a liberal commie scumbag like you.

You'll need a background check to prove

1. you are not a violent criminal
2. you are not a terrorist
3. you are a REAL American

Oh, then you're cool with Voter ID, so people have to prove they're real Americans?

It's not likely someone who casts a vote illegally kills another with that vote.

Can kill more with a vote or a pen then you can with a gun.

This may win ^^^ dumbest comment of the decade.

 

[harmonica]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

1. Constitution can be interpreted many ways
2. writers of the Constitution thought slavery was ok and women shouldn't vote
3. free firearms= not in the Constitution
4. semi-auto weapons = not in the Constitution
etc to infinity

 

[harmonica]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

....hahahahha = so your argument is not for common sense -but with something written by imperfect humans 200 hundred years ago.....

 

[progressive hunter]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

1. Constitution can be interpreted many ways
2. writers of the Constitution thought slavery was ok and women shouldn't vote
3. free firearms= not in the Constitution
4. semi-auto weapons = not in the Constitution
etc to infinity

the constitution is written in clear language and not up for interpretation,,,

and NO the founders didnt think slavery was OK most thought it was NOT OK and wanted it abolished but there were a few that wanted it,,,

and if you will read the 2nd no where does it say anything about types of arms or guns,,it was meant that the people be equally as armed as any threat including our own government,,,

you should educate yourself before speaking in public,,,

 

[Nostra]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

....hahahahha = so your argument is not for common sense -but with something written by imperfect humans 200 hundred years ago.....

Common sense tells me the govt should only perform the very limited tasks the Constitution empowers it to do.

free healthcare isn’t one of those tasks.

 

[Rye Catcher]

healthcare = helps people get better
firearms= designed to kill
I see a slight difference

Healthcare =Not in the Constitution

Firearms = Specifically outlined in the Constitution

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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These 52 words provide a Vision Statement for the future, and a Mission Statement for our elected officials.

However, Healthcare is not included specifically in Art. I, Sec. 8, as the concrete and ignorant comment to which I am responding asserted:

The facts are, clause 1 ("provide for the common Defence and general Welfare") and clause 18 (The Necessary and Proper Clause) have been decided by the Supreme Court for the Federal Government establish healthcare as a Right (Medicare, Medicaid, The PPACA) and are Constitutional.

In fact, a clear reading of Scalia's Decision in Heller, he wrote that certain people do not have the Right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

The easily drawn inference is that "certain people" cannot be discovered until they use a firearm wrongly, and thus any law under Heller which provides for background checks is Constitutional.