President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.

[The T]

Oh brother. Ted Kennedy was the sponsor of the 1973 HMO Act.

A Timeline of Kennedy's Health Care Achievements And Disappointments - Kaiser Health News

As usual, government intervention in the private market failed to deliver the promised benefits and caused unintended consequences, but Congress never blames itself for the problems created by bad laws.

And ~NEVER~ Do they subject themselves to what they foist on those that elected them...they forget where the real POWER lies...

Blah blah blah..rauuugh...Freeeeeeddoooommmmm...

Translation: "I have no Counter argument..."

 

[Truthseeker420]

Three cheers For Vermont !

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

Well here's hoping it doesn't break the state like it did Mass.

Just wondering. What's thier ranking economically?

Mass does not have single payer, like Vermont lawmakers are aiming for. The Mass health care law is almost exactly the same as the new federal health care law.

 

[The T]

Well here's hoping it doesn't break the state like it did Mass.

Just wondering. What's thier ranking economically?

Mass does not have single payer, like Vermont lawmakers are aiming for. The Mass health care law is almost exactly the same as the new federal health care law.

What is Single Payer healthcare?

And this is a Government calling the shots. Liberty is lost for the individual that doesn't FIT the mold of what Gubmint dictates. private entities? Fuck you. You lost your liberty too.

 

[Sallow]

And ~NEVER~ Do they subject themselves to what they foist on those that elected them...they forget where the real POWER lies...

Blah blah blah..rauuugh...Freeeeeeddoooommmmm...

Translation: "I have no Counter argument..."

Counter argument to what? You had a point?

 

[Immanuel]

Well here's hoping it doesn't break the state like it did Mass.

Just wondering. What's thier ranking economically?

Mass does not have single payer, like Vermont lawmakers are aiming for. The Mass health care law is almost exactly the same as the new federal health care law.

What is Single Payer healthcare?

And this is a Government calling the shots. Liberty is lost for the individual that doesn't FIT the mold of what Gubmint dictates. private entities? Fuck you. You lost your liberty too.

For those that have accused me of crying wolf about the employment of people in the health insurance industry:

What is Single Payer? | Physicians for a National Health Program

The need for private insurance would be eliminated. One single payer bill currently in the House (H.R. 1200) would provide one percent of funding for retraining displaced insurance workers during its first few years of implementation.

There it is right there in black and white.

Immie

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While other states are busy crushing unions, denying people healthcare, like Jan Brewer, which resulted in the deaths of two people and cutting taxes on the rich (Can we guess what party or ideology these people embrace), Vermont actually took up Obama's challenge and went with single payer.

About fucking time.

Vt. House Passes Single-Payer Health Care Bill - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

The question is will you be the first on your side to finally admit you are a Marxist?

If solving the health care COST crisis means calling me a Marxist, then be my guest. I prefer to believe that the framers had in mind the inclusion of health of its citizens when it used the words "...promote the general welfare..." After all, what are people without their health?

Part-time employees......if you ask anyone at the RNC.​

 

[The T]

Blah blah blah..rauuugh...Freeeeeeddoooommmmm...

Translation: "I have no Counter argument..."

Counter argument to what? You had a point?

*YOU* sure as HELL thought I had one since *YOU* responded...didn't you doggie?

 

[The T]

Sallow? Requistion a new AVIE...shall you? Dog With it's tail between it's legs running away from the camera. Big Bad Wolf my ass...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah, that's what they say, anyway. This'll likely put that view to the test. Let's see if they can leave Vermont alone and not try to undermine their efforts.

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

SLAMMER!!!!

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[The T]

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

SLAMMER!!!!​

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Massachusetts Miracle or Massachusetts Miserable: What the Failure of the "Massachusetts Model" Tells Us about Health Care Reform<Cato Insitute...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

Maggie, as someone who lives in the Communistwealth of Taxachusetts and who is desperately trying to get out of here ASAP, trust me.... RomneyCare has FAILED. It's a moneypit of epic proportions. It has added bureaucracy and red tape to the system. It just doesn't work from what I've been told by the people who have to deal with it on a daily basis.

Ah, yes......another o' those "conservative"-style "Everybody knows...."-factoids.

"A study conducted by the Urban Institute and released in December 2010 by the Massachusetts Division of Health Care Finance and Policy stated that as of June 2010, 98.1 percent of state residents had coverage. This compared to 97.3 percent having coverage in the state in 2009 and 83.3 percent having coverage nationwide. Among children and seniors the 2010 coverage rate was even higher, at 99.8 percent and 99.6 percent respectively. The breakdown of insurance coverage consisted of that 65.1 percent of state residents being covered by employers, 16.4 percent by Medicare, and 16.6 percent via public plans such as Commonwealth Care. The state's Secretary of Health and Human Services, JudyAnn Bigby, said, “Massachusetts' achievements in health care reform have been nothing short of extraordinary. With employers, government and individuals all sharing the responsibility of reform, we continue to have the highest insurance rate in the nation.”

Massachusetts Health Care Reform​

Now, you've been told....differently & accurately!!!!

 

[The T]

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

Maggie, as someone who lives in the Communistwealth of Taxachusetts and who is desperately trying to get out of here ASAP, trust me.... RomneyCare has FAILED. It's a moneypit of epic proportions. It has added bureaucracy and red tape to the system. It just doesn't work from what I've been told by the people who have to deal with it on a daily basis.

Ah, yes......another o' those "conservative"-style "Everybody knows...."-factoids.​

"A study conducted by the Urban Institute and released in December 2010 by the Massachusetts Division of Health Care Finance and Policy stated that as of June 2010, 98.1 percent of state residents had coverage. This compared to 97.3 percent having coverage in the state in 2009 and 83.3 percent having coverage nationwide. Among children and seniors the 2010 coverage rate was even higher, at 99.8 percent and 99.6 percent respectively. The breakdown of insurance coverage consisted of that 65.1 percent of state residents being covered by employers, 16.4 percent by Medicare, and 16.6 percent via public plans such as Commonwealth Care. The state's Secretary of Health and Human Services, JudyAnn Bigby, said, “Massachusetts' achievements in health care reform have been nothing short of extraordinary. With employers, government and individuals all sharing the responsibility of reform, we continue to have the highest insurance rate in the nation.”


Massachusetts Health Care Reform

Now, you've been told....differently & accurately!!!!

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[Greenbeard]

My question is how many people work in the health insurance industry in Vermont and how many of them will be unemployed by the end of this year? Then, since the state does not actually have to begin funding it until 2013, how many of those insurance industry workers will be unemployed by the end of 2012?

As of right now, the single-payer system in the bill passed by the Vermont house wouldn't go into effect until sometime around 2017 because it's contingent upon receiving an ACA waiver, which they can't get before 2017 (if the Wyden-Brown proposal to amend the ACA to make state innovation waivers available earlier were adopted, that would change).

In the meantime, the bill provides for the establishment of an ACA-friendly health benefits exchange in which private insurance is available, with the aim that this exchange ultimately provide the infrastructure for the single-payer system a few years down the line. What's interesting is that the bill calls for a "unified, simplified administration system" for insurers offering plans through the exchange (the system to which they refer includes "claims administration, benefit management, billing, or other components"). So they're already looking to streamline the administrative side of (private) insurance, completely independent of the single-payer phase of the plan.

And when the single-payer part finally goes into effect, there's still a role for the private sector on the paper-pushing front (namely, they'll probably be doing most of it):

§ 1826. ADMINISTRATION; ENROLLMENT

(a)(1) The agency may, under an open bidding process, solicit bids from and award contracts to public or private entities for administration of certain elements of Green Mountain Care, such as claims administration and provider relations.​

There are other possible (reduced) roles for private insurers, such as offering supplemental coverage beyond the single-payer's benefit package, though the legislature has kicked the can down the road a bit on deciding whether or not to allow private insurers to offer this kind of coverage (the bill calls for recommendations to the relevant legislative committees on this point by 2012).

But will be there be a substantially reduced role for private insurers (and, presumably, few jobs in that industry in the state) in the future? Yes, administrative savings is one of the strong, though probably not among the most important, selling points for Vermont's proposal. But any money saved--money that stays in the consumer's pocket instead of going into the health care system--is going to be coming out of somebody else's pocket. That goes for everything: nationally, if we want our health spending to be less than 17% of GDP, then that likely ultimately means having fewer jobs in the health-related sector and directing those savings into some other sector.

That said, like most single-payer bills, Vermont's does devote some attention to those on the losing side of the administrative savings. Namely, it commits the state government to:

A strategic approach to workforce needs, including retraining programs for workers displaced through increased efficiency and reduced administration in the health care system and ensuring an adequate health care workforce to provide access to health care for all Vermonters.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

President Obama Challenges states to come up with better plan: Vermont does.

It's all smoke and mirrors. It sounds like Obama is finally acknowledging that ObamaCare is unworkable, but he's not. He's not lifting the burdensome federal requirements. All he's doing is proposing to move up the date on which states can apply for federal permission to impose a different but equivalent plan to expand health insurance coverage. States can "opt out" of ObamaCare's individual mandate if they cover as many people, with as many benefits, and as many government subsidies, as ObamaCare would.

What's sad is that federal laws are responsible for much of the increases in health care costs, and yet the government is going to come in and save the day! Now ObamaCare forces people to buy expensive health insurance. (Didn't see that coming!) Let's just throw Liberty out the window, eh?

Gee.....you forgot to post any details to back-up your allegations.

Whatta shocker.

xsited1 Power!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Ok, and if it fails like it did in Mass. Who will you blame? You seem fully prepared to blame the GOP already for things you think they will do.

Personnally I hope it makes it. And it spreads to other states if they so choose to. But right now, it's a cancer. It's a failed idea that has spread.

So why are all of you cheering an idea that has failed and killed one state economy already?

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods | FactCheck.org

they should first define fail, it is, as their state bureau chief states, a train wreck, they are holding up a punch drunk fighter that should hit the canvass-

Joseph Rago: The Massachusetts Health-Care 'Train Wreck' - WSJ.com

Aw, jeez.....the Murdoch Street Journal.

Yeah.....THAT'S an unbiased source of info.

Rupert Murdoch's Desperation:
WSJ Editorial

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It's all smoke and mirrors. It sounds like Obama is finally acknowledging that ObamaCare is unworkable, but he's not. He's not lifting the burdensome federal requirements. All he's doing is proposing to move up the date on which states can apply for federal permission to impose a different but equivalent plan to expand health insurance coverage. States can "opt out" of ObamaCare's individual mandate if they cover as many people, with as many benefits, and as many government subsidies, as ObamaCare would.

What's sad is that federal laws are responsible for much of the increases in health care costs, and yet the government is going to come in and save the day! Now ObamaCare forces people to buy expensive health insurance. (Didn't see that coming!) Let's just throw Liberty out the window, eh?

No they are not.

What's responsible for health care increases..actually has absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. HMOs went public..that was the first thing that screwed things up. Because then the focus becomes profit as opposed to providing care. So HMOs start doing things like authorizing needless testing on healthy people..and kicking sick people out of the plan. The second thing that happened was HMOs started playing the market with the profits. The downturn..and profit loss was passed on to customers.

Thanks for making my point. HMOs did not arise because of free-market demand, but rather because of government mandates.

--> The present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law.

Gee.....all that text.....and, ZERO LINKS!!!!

Truly, a wonderment!!

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[The T]

It's nothing like the Massachusetts plan, and the Mass plan didn't fail.

‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods | FactCheck.org

they should first define fail, it is, as their state bureau chief states, a train wreck, they are holding up a punch drunk fighter that should hit the canvass-

Joseph Rago: The Massachusetts Health-Care 'Train Wreck' - WSJ.com

Aw, jeez.....the Murdoch Street Journal.​

Yeah.....THAT'S an unbiased source of info.​

Rupert Murdoch's Desperation:

WSJ Editorial​

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[Sallow]

Translation: "I have no Counter argument..."

Counter argument to what? You had a point?

*YOU* sure as HELL thought I had one since *YOU* responded...didn't you doggie?

Naw..I was just regurgitating your normal crapola. Happens when I eat rotten meat.

 

[Sallow]

Sallow? Requistion a new AVIE...shall you? Dog With it's tail between it's legs running away from the camera. Big Bad Wolf my ass...

Feel free to make me change it.