Putin Declares War on the Ukraine

[Stann]

So do you feel yourself like a used b-ch? Your are not alone. The Dems don't believe in people and they don't value people (American, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish or even Chinese).

You have a short memory, perhaps you don't remember trump abandoning the Kurds in Syria and Iraq. Or making the shameful peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan and abandoning all our allies there. That's the republican plan, " Me first and to hell with all the rest of you. "

 

[Stryder50]

You have a short memory, perhaps you don't remember trump abandoning the Kurds in Syria and Iraq. Or making the shameful peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan and abandoning all our allies there. That's the republican plan, " Me first and to hell with all the rest of you. "

I think you may be confused.

Obama is the one whom did the major and large scale abandon of the Kurds. Trump had a none co-operative Congress that failed him in efforts to reset that.

Trump's agreement with the Taliban was a public ploy to make them reveal they aren't the "good guys" the Left~Liberals~Dems portray them as (think entangling political trap).

As for abandoning our allies in Afghanistan, that falls into Biden's lap with his hasty, poorly planned, and disastrous 'Run Away' some months ago allowing for Billion$$$ of weapons and equipment to fall into Taliban hands and ease the way for that front-surrogate of Pakistan's ISI to take over the country.

 

[Mindful]

Democracies Must Now Defend Themselves.​

Russia's Invasion: Putin's Attack Is Aimed at Europe

The invasion of Ukraine marks the beginning of a dangerous new era in global politics. Europe must adapt to this new reality if it wants to survive.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Stann]

I think you may be confused.

Obama is the one whom did the major and large scale abandon of the Kurds. Trump had a none co-operative Congress that failed him in efforts to reset that.

Trump's agreement with the Taliban was a public ploy to make them reveal they aren't the "good guys" the Left~Liberals~Dems portray them as (think entangling political trap).

As for abandoning our allies in Afghanistan, that falls into Biden's lap with his hasty, poorly planned, and disastrous 'Run Away' some months ago allowing for Billion$$$ of weapons and equipment to fall into Taliban hands and ease the way for that front-surrogate of Pakistan's ISI to take over the country.

You are the one who's confused, Obama supported the Kurds, putting them in charge of the northern section of Iraq because they tolerated the Muslim sects that lived there and there was minimum violence and in fighting. He even thought of appointing them in charge over all of Iraq to stabilize the country. And I repeat when trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria, he made isis, Russia, Iran, Syria and turkey very happy, he made America's allies doubt their relationship with the United States. trump single-handedly undermined 2 years of Peace negotiations in Afghanistan by professional diplomats because he knew better and in dealing with thehe Taliban and leaving the Afghan government out of the picture entirely he delegitimized the Afghan government that's another reason it collapsed so quickly and it was such a disaster trying to get everybody out. Of course trump set that up to unfold at the very beginning of Biden's term so you would have time to prepare. And why on Earth with the Taliban try to renegotiate a deal where they got everything to begin with. They were going to have none of it. Thank God they realized what trump had done And gave Biden a little more time to deal with the crisis that had been left him.

 

[eagle1462010]

Everything in life is a choice. Putin chose this
will join NATO agai

I don't know the extent of the defense pack with the Ukraine at the United States has. But I'm sure they're living up to their obligations.

Ukraine is not NATO. No obligation. Any attack on a NATO country would be WAR

 

[eagle1462010]

You have a short memory, perhaps you don't remember trump abandoning the Kurds in Syria and Iraq. Or making the shameful peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan and abandoning all our allies there. That's the republican plan, " Me first and to hell with all the rest of you. "

In regards to Turkey. Turkey is in NATO and holds the choke point to the Black Sea. You risk losing a NATO member that later joins Russia. That would be stupid.

Id also remind some history there. It was the Kurds with Turkey Ottaman that committed the Armenian Genocide.

 

[Stann]

Ukraine is not NATO. No obligation. Any attack on a NATO country would be WAR

I know Ukraine was not a NATO member yet. They have the right to join it on they were headed in that direction that's why Russia started all this garbage. Fortunately the Ukraine does have a defense agreement with the United States. So we are obliged to aid them in their fight against Russia but not send troops into their Nation.

 

[PinktheFloyd88]

Update: Putin has threatened CONSEQUENCES if Sweden or Finland joins NATO.

He is absolutely mad at this point

 

[eagle1462010]

I know Ukraine was not a NATO member yet. They have the right to join it on they were headed in that direction that's why Russia started all this garbage. Fortunately the Ukraine does have a defense agreement with the United States. So we are obliged to aid them in their fight against Russia but not send troops into their Nation.

Yawn. What good is that so called deal?? Youbgo there it is shit or get off the pot. Which could lead to a Nuclear exchange. That isnt hapoening unless he attacks a NATO country. Then itsWar

 

[Stann]

Update: Putin has threatened CONSEQUENCES if Sweden or Finland joins NATO.

He is absolutely mad at this point

Not only mad, a super threat to the rest of the world. Today he talked of using nuclear weapons. He is totally psychotic.

 

[Stryder50]

In regards to Turkey. Turkey is in NATO and holds the choke point to the Black Sea. You risk losing a NATO member that later joins Russia. That would be stupid.

Id also remind some history there. It was the Kurds with Turkey Ottaman that committed the Armenian Genocide.

Thanks.
My family is of Armenian ancestry. Fortunately they got out of Armenia before the Turkish genocide began.

 

[Stryder50]

You are the one who's confused, Obama supported the Kurds, putting them in charge of the northern section of Iraq because they tolerated the Muslim sects that lived there and there was minimum violence and in fighting. He even thought of appointing them in charge over all of Iraq to stabilize the country. And I repeat when trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria, he made isis, Russia, Iran, Syria and turkey very happy, he made America's allies doubt their relationship with the United States. trump single-handedly undermined 2 years of Peace negotiations in Afghanistan by professional diplomats because he knew better and in dealing with thehe Taliban and leaving the Afghan government out of the picture entirely he delegitimized the Afghan government that's another reason it collapsed so quickly and it was such a disaster trying to get everybody out. Of course trump set that up to unfold at the very beginning of Biden's term so you would have time to prepare. And why on Earth with the Taliban try to renegotiate a deal where they got everything to begin with. They were going to have none of it. Thank God they realized what trump had done And gave Biden a little more time to deal with the crisis that had been left him.

I suggest you document your claims.
There oft are two sides to an issue and you seem to be taking a side counter to mine.
You also display as suffering from "Trump deranges my mind" syndrome.
FWIW, an examination of history of the past century shows it is often the "professional diplomats" whom screw things up and set the stage for the next war(s).

 

[bravoactual]

So do you feel yourself like a used b-ch? Your are not alone. The Dems don't believe in people and they don't value people (American, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish or even Chinese).

There are two kinds of Americans.

Americans who believe in American Freedom. The United States Constitution and Representative Democracy - Patriots aka Democrats.

Then are Americans who cheer of Communist Dictator in Russia as he invades a Democratic Country. These people do not believe in Freedom, they believe in Fascism and want Dictatorship in our Country - Republicans.

 

[bravoactual]

Thanks.
My family is of Armenian ancestry. Fortunately they got out of Armenia before the Turkish genocide began.

My Family has been the United States since 1649 on my Father's Side and 1705 on my Mother's side. I am a Proud and Loud Democracy Loving American. Republicans a belly crawling, Russian Loving Putin Pussies.

 

[Stryder50]

A reminder to all here, we (the West) are dealing with a part of the World and factions that are largely Islamic and have an agenda that is a mix of religion and politics. Within Islam is the concept of Taqiyya which makes negotiating and dealing with them a bit problematic.
....
Taqiyya is a concept and a reality that must be borne in mind when reading or listening to the words of Muslims.

What is Taqiyya?

Taqiyya (also spelled taqiya or taqiyyah) is lying to advance or protect Islam (taqiyya literally means "prevention"). Muslims justify taqiyya from the Quran, other Islamic texts, and the actions of Muhammad, including those below.

It should be emphasized that while Iying is a cause for shame in the West, taqiyya isn't in Islam. To Muslims, taqiyya - Iying (to infidels) to advance and protect Islam - is both a virtue and a duty (there is shame, however, in being caught - watch the video below).

So, when non-Muslims confront Muslims about facts that Muslims wish to hide (e.g., Hitler & Islam, Sharia Law, Errors in Quran, Halal, Allah Moon God, Taharrush, etc.), Muslims often Iie with a straight face, even on record and in front of other Muslims, who nod in agreement (see Muslim Brotherhood) to both approve of and to participate in taqiyya, as well as kitman - the related practice of telling half-truths - as Muhammad instructed:
....

TAQIYYA — What Is Taqiyya (And Kitman)? Is It Really Lying?

Taqiyya and Kitman - There appears to be some interest, as well as confusion among those who do not understand the Qur'an about the doctrines of taqiyya and kitman. As you can see, ...

billionbibles.org

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Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other... unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences" or "gain the upper-hand over an enemy."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
...

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

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For balance, the Wiki take, which is somewhat defending and dis-ingenuous;

Taqiyya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Silver Cat]

You have a short memory, perhaps you don't remember trump abandoning the Kurds in Syria and Iraq. Or making the shameful peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan and abandoning all our allies there. That's the republican plan, " Me first and to hell with all the rest of you. "

Republicans are pragmatics. Protection of the Kurds or Afghanies never was a part of the deal. We didn't send them in a suicidal attack against a really strong enemy.

 

[Stryder50]

My Family has been the United States since 1649 on my Father's Side and 1705 on my Mother's side. I am a Proud and Loud Democracy Loving Americans. Republicans a belly crawling, Russian Loving Putin Pussies.

So my mom's side is the Armenian, my dad's side mostly Prussian/German/Scandinavian, etc.

I'll dispute your claims against Republicans, being one myself.

Economically and politically speaking, it could be said there are two types in USA society and politics;
1) Wealth Creators ~ usually Republicans
2) Wealth Takers=Redistributors ~ usually Democrats.

I support economic incentive with proportional rewards ~ Capitalism; which most Republicans support.

I oppose taking from the hard working productive to give to the non-productive ~ Socialism/Communism; which seems to be what most Democrats support.

There lies our nation divide; Makers versus Takers.

 

[Stann]

I suggest you document your claims.
There oft are two sides to an issue and you seem to be taking a side counter to mine.
You also display as suffering from "Trump deranges my mind" syndrome.
FWIW, an examination of history of the past century shows it is often the "professional diplomats" whom screw things up and set the stage for the next war(s).

Document, it's all history read it first read it for yourself and learn. Your trump derangement syndrome is off the wall it should apply to anybody that believes in the line con man. He's the one who's deranged. But here's one for you. www.rollingstone.com Here's What Happened in Syria in the week since trump abandoned The Kurds Oct.14, 2019. ISIS, Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey are happy. American allies are not. trump has made our allies doubt their relationships with the United States for the first time in history. That was a very shameful and sad day for the United States.

 

[Silver Cat]

Not only mad, a super threat to the rest of the world. Today he talked of using nuclear weapons. He is totally psychotic.

The Russians look at it differently. For many Westerners nuclear weapons are obsolete and dangerous relics of the past epoch. For the modern Russians nuclear weapons (and decisiveness to use them under any circumstances) are the only things that stay between them and a full scale western invasion. They (most of them) love it, the simplest way to achieve some popularity points is to suggest nuke the USA.
What is may be even more important they believe that they can (under some circumstances) win a nuclear war.

 

[Stann]

Republicans are pragmatics. Protection of the Kurds or Afghanies never was a part of the deal. We didn't send them in a suicidal attack against a really strong enemy.

republicans under trump have become shameful isolationists shirking America's duty to be the leader of democracy in the Free world and Russia is taking advantage of our downfall from that position.