Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?

[harmonica]

..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is

 

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JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.

That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.

So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"

John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?

Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?

JAG

We don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.

there is no hell--so no one has to worry about that
hahahahahhahaha

 

[ding]

..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is

That's good because it's not my job.
hahahahahhahaha

 

[harmonica]

..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is

That's good because it's not my job.
hahahahahhahaha

you can't--hahahahhahahahahh

 

[ding]

..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is

That's good because it's not my job.
hahahahahhahaha

you can't--hahahahhahahahahh

you can't make me--hahahahahhahaha

 

[alang1216]

They're not cultists, they're people.

Who are cultists.

They believe this idea of ALL babies ever born. Anywhere. So none of what you listed is a good comparison.

If you believe there are no such things as innocent babies because your celestial dictator says so... Yes, you are a cultist.

I have a different definition for 'cult' but I don't think we disagree on substance.

 

[alang1216]

Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.

That's quite a simple worldview you have there.

Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.

 

[alang1216]

JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.

That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.

So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"

John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?

Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?

JAG

We don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.

there is no hell--so no one has to worry about that
hahahahahhahaha

No one has to worry about hell but many people do. It gets bad when they become too concerned with other people going to hell.

 

[alang1216]

Still not getting YOUR point. I understand what that scripture means. I don't understand what YOU mean.

What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?

You think you understand what that scripture means, how do you know?

People have been lying to me my whole life. They've also been lying to themselves their whole lives. People who believe in lies are dangerous to me and my family.

 

[ding]

Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.

That's quite a simple worldview you have there.

Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.

I believe it's a little more complicated than that.

 

[alang1216]

Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.

That's quite a simple worldview you have there.

Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.

I believe it's a little more complicated than that.

I'm sure you do. Doesn't mean you're right though.

 

[ding]

Still not getting YOUR point. I understand what that scripture means. I don't understand what YOU mean.

What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?

You think you understand what that scripture means, how do you know?

People have been lying to me my whole life. They've also been lying to themselves their whole lives. People who believe in lies are dangerous to me and my family.

I think I approach Scripture from a less biased position than you. So relative to you, yes.

I like how you hold yourself above others. They lie to you but you don't lie. I believe people who aren't objective are dangerous to themselves and others.

But you still haven't addressed the question I asked. What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?

 

[ding]

Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.

That's quite a simple worldview you have there.

Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.

I believe it's a little more complicated than that.

I'm sure you do. Doesn't mean you're right though.

It does if you don't believe in stereotyping.

 

[ding]

They're not cultists, they're people.

Who are cultists.

They believe this idea of ALL babies ever born. Anywhere. So none of what you listed is a good comparison.

If you believe there are no such things as innocent babies because your celestial dictator says so... Yes, you are a cultist.

I have a different definition for 'cult' but I don't think we disagree on substance.

How do you know what his definition is?

What's your definition?

 

[ding]

you must believe that everyone is going to be punished because everyone dies.

Yep. Punished for living but not judged.

What’s the difference? Dead is dead.

The rain (and death) fall on the just and unjust alike.

What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?

People have been lying to me my whole life. They've also been lying to themselves their whole lives. People who believe in lies are dangerous to me and my family.

For you there is no difference. You don't believe anyone gets judged. It shouldn't matter to you what others believe. No one is forcing you to believe that. So maybe it's you that has a problem accepting that not everyone believes the same as you.

And death is not a punishment. It is a natural progression of a human life. Death is natural.

 

[LittleNipper]

So, if you die and life ends and there is no eternity, why would anyone care?

By not being able to immediately think of about 100 answers, you expose your own mental and moral problems. Not anyone else's.

There is no morality without GOD, only personal opinion and desire. Plus, the highest suicide rate is (a mental barometer) shamefully among those with no religious affiliation ------ that would be atheists and agnostics...

Is this the same God who wiped out just about every man, women, child, and animal in a flood? The God to order Israelites to invade foreign countries, commit genocide, and make slaves of their enemies? The God that punishes the innocent?

This is the very same GOD who knows all about everything and even all about you. When Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain were to be annihilated, Abraham had a conversation with GOD in which he got GOD to promise that HE would not destroy those cites if there were at least 10 righteous people living somewhere in that mess. Guess what, there were not and so HE did. The fact is ----- if all the righteous people today were to die off, the rest of the population would be in deep deep trouble, because GOD knows. GOD doesn't punish innocent people. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. A righteous person isn't without sin; however, the righteous person has faith in GOD and not himself or his possessions and abilities. It's called being humble. There are not many people like that today, most have far too much garbage on their mind to care...

GOD doesn't punish innocent people? You think that in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah there were no babies or children?

Have you ever read the story in Genesis 19 of Sodom and Gomorrah?

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords, please! 19 Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”

21 HE said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.)

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus HE overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when GOD destroyed the cities of the plain, HE remembered Abraham, and HE brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.

The logic is that these cities had become so depraved ----- busy having illicit same sex that there was at that perfect moment no babies. Likely they also performed abortions and child sacrifices. Another reason to engage in same sex is because it didn't procreate but they had irresponsible sexually gratifying pleasure ----- without "complications".

 

[LittleNipper]

So, if you die and life ends and there is no eternity, why would anyone care?

By not being able to immediately think of about 100 answers, you expose your own mental and moral problems. Not anyone else's.

There is no morality without GOD, only personal opinion and desire. Plus, the highest suicide rate is (a mental barometer) shamefully among those with no religious affiliation ------ that would be atheists and agnostics...

Is this the same God who wiped out just about every man, women, child, and animal in a flood? The God to order Israelites to invade foreign countries, commit genocide, and make slaves of their enemies? The God that punishes the innocent?

This is the very same GOD who knows all about everything and even all about you. When Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain were to be annihilated, Abraham had a conversation with GOD in which he got GOD to promise that HE would not destroy those cites if there were at least 10 righteous people living somewhere in that mess. Guess what, there were not and so HE did. The fact is ----- if all the righteous people today were to die off, the rest of the population would be in deep deep trouble, because GOD knows. GOD doesn't punish innocent people. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. A righteous person isn't without sin; however, the righteous person has faith in GOD and not himself or his possessions and abilities. It's called being humble. There are not many people like that today, most have far too much garbage on their mind to care...

GOD doesn't punish innocent people? You think that in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah there were no babies or children?

Is death a punishment?

Why do you read these accounts literally?

Someone wrote these accounts that have made it into scripture. Historical or not they represent the morality of the Bible.

And yes, I consider death a punishment and I believe the Bible does too. You don't stone an adulterer to death as a reward.

Then you must believe that everyone is going to be punished because everyone dies.

You read the bible to confirm your bias. That's reality. So you and I will likely never agree on what the meaning of passages are because you read the Bible like a jackass.

Everyone dies because everyone sins on account of ADAM/EVE. Only the MESSIAH/CHRIST gave up HIS life to save those which are lost. HE was without sin. You should not make judgments based upon your personal opinion and not biblically founded." Found in Matthew 5:22 ------- And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

 

[LittleNipper]

JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.

That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.

So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"

John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?

Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?

JAG

We don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.

there is no hell--so no one has to worry about that
hahahahahhahaha

How do you know? Who informed you? What will be the ramifications if you are wrong?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.

That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.

So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"

John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?

Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?

JAG

We don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.

there is no hell--so no one has to worry about that
hahahahahhahaha

How do you know? Who informed you? What will be the ramifications if you are wrong?

What if you are wrong? What if you will suffer, because you believe in the wrong god?

 

[LittleNipper]

..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is

How do you know? Who told you? What are the ramifications if you are wrong?