NotfooledbyW
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GAZETTE: What do we know about pregnancy and birth at this time?
KAMENSKY: Reproduction in the colonial and early national era was in every way womenâs work: thinking about pregnancy, birthing, child care, early childhood, and infant care was a landscape of women, their neighbors, and their midwives. Male medical authority only really began to enter the birthing chamber in the late 18th and I early 19th century. Early American women had what we would today consider very large numbers of children â five to eight live births in the course of a reproductive lifetime â and women could expect to be pregnant or lactating almost all of their fertile lives. Itâs also important to remember that childbirth was dangerous, with an estimated one in 20 births ending in maternal death. My Harvard Medical School colleague Louise King reminds us that maternal mortality remains a significant burden in todayâs United States. In the Colonial and early national periods, to bear a child was to confront death, full stop.
GAZETTE: What about family planning?
KAMENSKY: We know that there was a vernacular practice of ending pregnancy in all kinds of communities of women, with herbal remedies especially, from time immemorial.
We know that it existed among communities of enslaved women as well as free women and was very rarely a subject at law in the early American period. Legal historian Cornelia Hughes Daytonâs research on this reveals that abortion was commonplace and came before juries or judges exceedingly rarely, and then as evidence of what she calls âprior sinâ â premarital or nonmarital intercourse â rather than out of concern for incipient life, or even some idea of what was natural.
Whenever you want. If you are Catholic or Hindu you may consider a fertilized egg to be a human being:WTF is a ZEF? Second question, at what magical instant does said ZEF become a human being?
I do not because on abortion I am a rational theist as were our first four Presidents. They lived in a world where birthing was handled by women. That also makes me an originalist, ceding a reproductive right to terminate a ZEF to the sole business of the gender that carry the babies. I WANT GOVERNMENT OUT OF PRIVATE DECISIONS BEING MADE.
â pregnancy, birthing, child care, early childhood, and infant care was a landscape of women, their neighbors, and their midwivesâ
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âthere was a vernacular practice of ending pregnancy in all kinds of communities of women, with herbal remedies especially, from time immemorial.
I believe based upon the above that protected life with state interest begins at birth, upon separation from the placental circulation, and when the neonatal cardiovascular system takes over responsibility of vital processes for survival.
The Transitional Heart: From Early Embryonic and Fetal Development to Neonatal Life - PubMed 221121^heart
If you care to understand more / read on;
#5,714 Science describes the physiological flip of the switch {when the unborn life transitions to born life
Reference 221121^heart â˘â˘â˘â˘ Formation of the human heart involves complex biological signals, interactions, specification of myocardial progenitor cells, and heart tube looping. To facilitate survival in the hypoxemic intrauterine environment, the fetus possesses structural, physiological, and functional cardiovascular adaptations that are fundamentally different from the neonate.
At birth, upon separation from the placental circulation, the neonatal cardiovascular system takes over responsibility of vital processes for survival.
The Transitional Heart: From Early Embryonic and Fetal Development to Neonatal Life - PubMed 221121^heart
The transition from the fetal to neonatal circulation is considered to be a period of intricate physiological, anatomical, and biochemical changes in the cardiovascular system. With a successful cardiopulmonary transition to the extrauterine environment, the fetal shunts are functionally modified or eliminated, enabling independent life.
Apr 17, 2023 ÂĽ Redfish ÂĽ #8,335 to: -1 It doesn't matter if the unborn human is "conscious" or not. he/she has movement and can feel pain, so he/she is alive from the moment of conception. We cannot rely on biased "scientists" on this, we have to rely on common sense and our belief system.
NFBW: Is it human consciousness that gives human life its value. Is it breathing air through our own lungs oxygenating our own blood that enables independent life in our newbornâs beating heart?
Am I obligated to accept your belief system ÂĽ Redfish ÂĽ that picks âheartbeat sounds (six weeks) when the brain is not formed because you say so?
Or can I rely on my own belief system according to my conscience.
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