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Elizabeth Warren: Here's My Plan To Cancel Student Loan Debt
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren proposes to cancel student loan debt.
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Republicans seem sure that the Democratic Party is communist, but can never identify a specific policy as being communist
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Bernie Sanders’s most socialist idea yet, explained
He wants to mandate employee ownership of big companies.
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Bernie Sanders's 12-Point Socialist Plan for America
Every committed revolutionary needs a plan. Karl Marx had one, and so did Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Add to that group socialist senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is considering running for president (as a Democrat) and has already announced a 12-point plan at the Huffington Post. He writes:
As Vermont's senator, here are 12 initiatives that I will be fighting for which can restore America's middle class.
1. We need a major investment to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure: roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools..... A $1 trillion investment in infrastructure could create 13 million decent paying jobs and make this country more efficient and productive
Why does this sound so familiar? Because it is! Remember the Obama stimulus plan? That too was a trillion-dollar investment in our "crumbling infrastructure" (the favorite amorphous buzzword for government spending). How many millions of permanent jobs were created from that? I think the exact number was... zero.
2. The United States must lead the world in reversing climate change and make certain that this planet is habitable for our children and grandchildren. We must transform our energy system away from fossil fuels and into energy efficiency and sustainable energies.... and we need to greatly accelerate the progress we are already seeing in wind, solar, geothermal, biomass and other forms of sustainable energy.
Good news! Our planet is currently habitable for our children and grandchildren. Nothing further needs be done! However, if we move away from fossil fuels to cutting-edge Don Quixote technologies from the 1900s, like windmills, our children and grandchildren will be paying enormous costs for energy and will have no energy at all when the wind isn't blowing (for windmills) and when the sun isn't shining (for solar).
3. We need to develop new economic models to increase job creation and productivity. Instead of giving huge tax breaks to corporations which ship our jobs to China and other low-wage countries, we need to provide assistance to workers who want to purchase their own businesses by establishing worker-owned cooperatives.
This has been tried in many countries. Israel used to have cooperatives called "Kibbutzes." I say "used to" because most of them went bankrupt. When people were not rewarded more for working harder, and people were rewarded for not working at all, the system went broke.
4. Union workers who are able to collectively bargain for higher wages and benefits earn substantially more than non-union workers. Today, corporate opposition to union organizing makes it extremely difficult for workers to join a union. We need legislation which makes it clear that when a majority of workers sign cards in support of a union, they can form a union.
Union workers in places like Detroit have good jobs at good wages with good benefits...the ones who still have jobs, that is. Many lost their jobs because the wages unions demanded for unskilled labor caused the auto companies to collapse – not once, but several times.
5. The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage. We need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage.
Every time you raise the minimum wage, the poor suffer, because more jobs disappear, and the products produced by minimum-wage labor become more expensive. The minimum wage is supposed to be a training wage, where people go to get their first step on the ladder leading upward. Those who learn are promoted and get higher wages. Those who don't...well...
6. Women [sic] workers today earn 78 percent of what their male counterparts make. We need pay equity in our country -- equal pay for equal work.
Will we start this policy in the White House? In the offices of Democratic Senate and House staffers? Will we hire committees of thousands of bureaucrats to go into every company and judge the work of every employee to decide what is "equal work"? Because that is the only way such a policy could be put into effect.
7. Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.)
I think what Senator Sanders is saying here is that he supports tariffs. It's funny, though, that he doesn't say tariffs. Tariffs acquired a bad reputation after they helped lead to the Great Depression.
8. In today's highly competitive global economy, millions of Americans are unable to afford the higher education they need in order to get good-paying jobs. Quality education in America, from child care to higher education, must be affordable for all.
Is Senator Sanders going to require colleges and universities to make sure that all their professors are working 40-hour work weeks in the classroom? Is he going to audit the costs of universities, find out how much the teaching component costs, and then require universities to lower tuition accordingly? If so, I congratulate Senator Sanders for taking on the liberal college money-making establishment!
9. The function of banking is to facilitate the flow of capital into productive and job-creating activities. Financial institutions cannot be an island unto themselves, standing as huge profit centers outside of the real economy. Today, six huge Wall Street financial institutions have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product - over $9.8 trillion.... They are too powerful to be reformed. They must be broken up.
If banks are profit centers, how do they make profits? The only way I can think of is by investing in the economy, real estate, industries, and businesses. These activities create jobs.
10. The United States must join the rest of the industrialized world and recognize that health care is a right of all, and not a privilege. Despite the fact that more than 40 million Americans have no health insurance, we spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation. We need to establish a Medicare-for-all, single-payer system.
Health care is a right in many countries, such as Cuba and North Korea. However, having a right to health care is not the same as receiving health care. In a single-payer system, the incentive to innovate and create medicines is lost, and the demand for medical care will far outstrip supply.
11. Millions of seniors live in poverty and we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country. We must strengthen the social safety net, not weaken it. Instead of cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs, we should be expanding these programs.
The more we spend, the better off these people will be – so he says. But where will this money come from? We currently have over 18 trillion dollars in debt, and that doesn't even count unfunded obligations to Social Security and other programs. If we incur more debt, and our economy collapses, as is happening in countries like Greece and Portugal, the poor will suffer even more. The best anti-poverty program is a free-market economy, which creates jobs. A job is the best "safety net."
12. At a time of massive wealth and income inequality, we need a progressive tax system in this country which is based on ability to pay.
Now Senator Sanders is quoting Karl Marx! "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." But we already have a progressive tax system in America. If you combine federal and state taxes, in some states, like California and New York, "the rich" pay over 50% in taxes. Does Senator Sanders think an even higher rate will inspire job-creators to work even harder?
Senator Sanders will be 75 years old in 2016. His campaign ideas are only slightly older.
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Every committed revolutionary needs a plan. Karl Marx had one, and so did Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Add to that group socialist senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is considering running for president (as a Democrat) and has already announced a 12-point plan at the Huffington Post. He writes:
As Vermont's senator, here are 12 initiatives that I will be fighting for which can restore America's middle class.
1. We need a major investment to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure: roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools..... A $1 trillion investment in infrastructure could create 13 million decent paying jobs and make this country more efficient and productive
Why does this sound so familiar? Because it is! Remember the Obama stimulus plan? That too was a trillion-dollar investment in our "crumbling infrastructure" (the favorite amorphous buzzword for government spending). How many millions of permanent jobs were created from that? I think the exact number was... zero.
2. The United States must lead the world in reversing climate change and make certain that this planet is habitable for our children and grandchildren. We must transform our energy system away from fossil fuels and into energy efficiency and sustainable energies.... and we need to greatly accelerate the progress we are already seeing in wind, solar, geothermal, biomass and other forms of sustainable energy.
Good news! Our planet is currently habitable for our children and grandchildren. Nothing further needs be done! However, if we move away from fossil fuels to cutting-edge Don Quixote technologies from the 1900s, like windmills, our children and grandchildren will be paying enormous costs for energy and will have no energy at all when the wind isn't blowing (for windmills) and when the sun isn't shining (for solar).
3. We need to develop new economic models to increase job creation and productivity. Instead of giving huge tax breaks to corporations which ship our jobs to China and other low-wage countries, we need to provide assistance to workers who want to purchase their own businesses by establishing worker-owned cooperatives.
This has been tried in many countries. Israel used to have cooperatives called "Kibbutzes." I say "used to" because most of them went bankrupt. When people were not rewarded more for working harder, and people were rewarded for not working at all, the system went broke.
4. Union workers who are able to collectively bargain for higher wages and benefits earn substantially more than non-union workers. Today, corporate opposition to union organizing makes it extremely difficult for workers to join a union. We need legislation which makes it clear that when a majority of workers sign cards in support of a union, they can form a union.
Union workers in places like Detroit have good jobs at good wages with good benefits...the ones who still have jobs, that is. Many lost their jobs because the wages unions demanded for unskilled labor caused the auto companies to collapse – not once, but several times.
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5. The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage. We need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage.
Every time you raise the minimum wage, the poor suffer, because more jobs disappear, and the products produced by minimum-wage labor become more expensive. The minimum wage is supposed to be a training wage, where people go to get their first step on the ladder leading upward. Those who learn are promoted and get higher wages. Those who don't...well...
6. Women [sic] workers today earn 78 percent of what their male counterparts make. We need pay equity in our country -- equal pay for equal work.
Will we start this policy in the White House? In the offices of Democratic Senate and House staffers? Will we hire committees of thousands of bureaucrats to go into every company and judge the work of every employee to decide what is "equal work"? Because that is the only way such a policy could be put into effect.
7. Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.)
I think what Senator Sanders is saying here is that he supports tariffs. It's funny, though, that he doesn't say tariffs. Tariffs acquired a bad reputation after they helped lead to the Great Depression.
8. In today's highly competitive global economy, millions of Americans are unable to afford the higher education they need in order to get good-paying jobs. Quality education in America, from child care to higher education, must be affordable for all.
Is Senator Sanders going to require colleges and universities to make sure that all their professors are working 40-hour work weeks in the classroom? Is he going to audit the costs of universities, find out how much the teaching component costs, and then require universities to lower tuition accordingly? If so, I congratulate Senator Sanders for taking on the liberal college money-making establishment!
9. The function of banking is to facilitate the flow of capital into productive and job-creating activities. Financial institutions cannot be an island unto themselves, standing as huge profit centers outside of the real economy. Today, six huge Wall Street financial institutions have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product - over $9.8 trillion.... They are too powerful to be reformed. They must be broken up.
If banks are profit centers, how do they make profits? The only way I can think of is by investing in the economy, real estate, industries, and businesses. These activities create jobs.
10. The United States must join the rest of the industrialized world and recognize that health care is a right of all, and not a privilege. Despite the fact that more than 40 million Americans have no health insurance, we spend almost twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation. We need to establish a Medicare-for-all, single-payer system.
Health care is a right in many countries, such as Cuba and North Korea. However, having a right to health care is not the same as receiving health care. In a single-payer system, the incentive to innovate and create medicines is lost, and the demand for medical care will far outstrip supply.
11. Millions of seniors live in poverty and we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country. We must strengthen the social safety net, not weaken it. Instead of cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs, we should be expanding these programs.
The more we spend, the better off these people will be – so he says. But where will this money come from? We currently have over 18 trillion dollars in debt, and that doesn't even count unfunded obligations to Social Security and other programs. If we incur more debt, and our economy collapses, as is happening in countries like Greece and Portugal, the poor will suffer even more. The best anti-poverty program is a free-market economy, which creates jobs. A job is the best "safety net."
12. At a time of massive wealth and income inequality, we need a progressive tax system in this country which is based on ability to pay.
Now Senator Sanders is quoting Karl Marx! "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." But we already have a progressive tax system in America. If you combine federal and state taxes, in some states, like California and New York, "the rich" pay over 50% in taxes. Does Senator Sanders think an even higher rate will inspire job-creators to work even harder?
Senator Sanders will be 75 years old in 2016. His campaign ideas are only slightly older.
Bernie Sanders's 12-Point Socialist Plan for America
Bernie Sanders's 12-Point Socialist Plan for America Every committed revolutionary needs a plan. Karl Marx had one, and so did Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Add to that group socialist senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, who is co...
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Better watch your six.Saul Alinsky in his RULES FOR RADICALS laid out an effective strategy in how to disguise an actual agenda so it made it difficult to identify as "Communist". Hillary and Obama are good examples of using the tools Alinsky outlined.
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The problem with "it takes a village" is that it turns into communism in less than 20 years, and there's no freedom, there's a greedy gummint employee breathing down everybody's neck with criticism and demands, and the person disappears and becomes an automated slave who obeys a nasty boss who is as sickening as Maxine Waters, AOC, Killery, and Nancy Pelosi. Seeing thoes 4 names all at once makes me wanna hurl. <burp>
I'm not a Republican (or a Democrat), but maybe I can explain it to you. Communism, as a theory, is nothing more than the name implies: Everyone living together in a community, all working for the common good ("from each according to his ability") and sharing resources ("to each according to his need").It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.
MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism
"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."www.newsweek.com
Communism in practice is a political tool to establish totalitarian control over a group of people by promising them future benefits that are neither realistic nor obtainable. As these benefits become more ephemeral, external blame is created by demonizing certain people in order to maintain control of the group. This was accomplished in the USSR and China, and is being attempted by the Democratic Party in the U.S.
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Forced experimental vaccinations.It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.
MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism
"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."
Billy000
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Communist Dem in congress caught on video, end thread!
Lol that is not communism. Is the government controlling the highways communism? No obviously not. We already have socialism in this country and none of that socialism has anything to do with communism. I mean we could do this all day. Our defense budget is the biggest socialist institution in the world. Is that communism? No. Obviously not lol. Suggesting anything that is socialism is communism is a stupid notion.
Billy000
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So what democratic policy is communist?I'm not a Republican (or a Democrat), but maybe I can explain it to you. Communism, as a theory, is nothing more than the name implies: Everyone living together in a community, all working for the common good ("from each according to his ability") and sharing resources ("to each according to his need").
Communism in practice is a political tool to establish totalitarian control over a group of people by promising them future benefits that are neither realistic nor obtainable. As these benefits become more ephemeral, external blame is created by demonizing certain people in order to maintain control of the group. This was accomplished in the USSR and China, and is being attempted by the Democratic Party in the U.S.
Nostra
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Which one isn't?So what democratic policy is communist?
Billy000
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Dude you not liking government spending is not somehow an automatic indicator that it is communism lol. Explain, specifically,The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal will convert the old, gray economy into a new, sustainable economy that is environmentally sound, economically viable and socially responsible. It seeks to solve the climate crisis by combining quick action to get to net- zero greenhouse gas emissions and 100% renewable energy by 2030 along with an “Economic Bill of Rights” – the right to single-payer healthcare, a guaranteed job at a living wage, affordable housing and free college education.
European Greens were among those calling for a Green New Deal in 2006 in response to the global financial crisis. In addition to a call for both climate action and a bill of economic rights, the approach by the European Greens sought to democratize the world’s financial system. In New York State, Howie Hawkins promoted a Green New Deal in his 2010 Green Party run for Governor – an issue focus that subsequently was picked up by Jill Stein in her 2012 Presidential campaign and by many other Green Party candidates across the United States.
The national Green Party platform calls for the following:
- Enact an emergency Green New Deal to turn the tide on climate change, revive the economy and make wars for oil obsolete. Initiate a WWII-scale national mobilization to halt climate change, the greatest threat to humanity in our history. Create 20 million jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable (regenerative) agriculture, conservation and restoration of critical infrastructure, including ecosystems.
- Implement a Just Transition that empowers those communities and workers most impacted by climate change and the transition to a green economy. Ensure that any worker displaced by the shift away from fossil fuels will receive full income and benefits as they transition to alternative work.
- Enact energy democracy based on public, community and worker ownership of our energy system. Treat energy as a human right.
- Redirect research funds from fossil fuels into renewable energy and conservation. Build a nationwide smart electricity grid that can pool and store power from a diversity of renewable sources, giving the nation clean, democratically-controlled, energy.
- End destructive energy extraction and associated infrastructure: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, natural gas pipelines, and uranium mines. Halt any investment in fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas, and phase out all fossil fuel power plants. Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies. End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee/tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.”
Meet the Green New Deal
The Green New Deal starts with a WWII-type mobilization to address the grave threat posed by climate change, transitioning our country to 100% clean energy by 2030. Clean energy does not include natural gas, biomass, nuclear power or the oxymoron “clean coal.”
The implementation of the Green New Deal will revive the economy, turn the tide on climate change and make wars for oil obsolete. This latter result, in turn, enables a 50% cut in the military budget, since maintaining bases all over the world to safeguard fossil fuel supplies and routes of transportation could no longer be justified. That military savings of several hundred billion dollars per year would go a very long way toward creating green jobs at home.
On top of that, the Green New Deal largely pays for itself in healthcare savings from the prevention of fossil fuel-related diseases, including asthma, heart attacks, strokes and cancer.
Moving to 100% clean energy means many more jobs, a healthier environment and far lower electric costs compared to continued reliance upon fossil fuels. Studies have shown that the technology already exists to achieve 100% clean energy by 2030. And we can speed up the transition by making polluters pay for the damage they’ve caused, starting with a robust carbon fee program.
The Green New Deal is not only a major step towards ending unemployment for good, but also a tool to fight the corporate takeover of our democracy and exploitation of the poor and people of color. Our transition to 100% clean energy will be based on community, worker and public ownership and democratic control of our energy system, rather than maximizing profits for energy corporations, banks and hedge funds.
We need to treat clean energy as a human right and a common good. We also need a just transition to provide resources to the low-income communities and communities of color most impacted by climate change.
The Green New Deal will provide assistance to workers and local communities that now have workers employed in the fossil fuel industry and to the developing world as it responds to climate-change damage caused by the industrial world.
What the Green New Deal Will Do
Right now, our federal government subsidizes the rich agribusiness corporations and the oil, mining, nuclear, coal and timber giants at the expense of small farmers, small business and our children’s environment. We spend tens of billions every year moving our economy in the wrong direction. The Green New Deal will instead redirect that money to the real job creators who make our communities healthier, sustainable and secure at the same time.
With the passage and implementation of this program, We the People will:
The Green New Deal includes an Economic Bill of Rights, which ensures all citizens the right to employment through a Full-Employment Program that will create 20 million jobs by implementing a nationally funded, but locally controlled direct-employment initiative. We will replace unemployment offices with local employment offices offering public sector jobs that are “stored” in job banks in order to take up any slack in private sector employment.
- Invest in green business by providing grants and low-interest loans to grow green businesses and cooperatives, with an emphasis on small, locally based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors.
- Move to 100% clean energy by 2030: Prioritizing green research by redirecting research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and geothermal. we will invest in research in sustainable, nontoxic materials and closed-loop cycles that eliminate waste and pollution, as well as organic agriculture, permaculture and sustainable forestry.
- Provide green jobs by enacting the Full-Employment Program, which will directly provide 16 million jobs in sustainable energy and energy-efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and “complete streets” that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture and clean manufacturing.
100% Clean Energy by 2030
The centerpiece of the Green New Deal is a transition to 100% clean energy by 2030.
The climate crisis is a serious threat to the survival of humanity and life on Earth. To prevent catastrophe, we need a WWII-scale mobilization transitioning our country and the world to a sustainable economy with 100% clean, renewable energy, public transit, sustainable agriculture and conservation.
Already, tens of millions of people have been turned into climate refugees while hundreds of thousands die annually from air pollution, heat waves, drought-based food shortages, epidemics, storms and other lethal impacts of climate change and reliance on fossil fuels. And as climate change worsens across the globe, wars fought over access to food, water and land will become commonplace.
Historically, talks aimed at stopping global warming have centered on the goal of staying below a 2 degrees Celsius rise in average temperature. The major “victory” at COP 21 in Paris was that the industrial polluting nations such as the United States agreed with the rest of the world that the existing global warming-cap target of 2°C would lead to catastrophic change.
The recent report by the International Panel on Climate Change warned that the world needs to keep the increase in global warming below 1.5°C and said we had 12 years to take dramatic worldwide action. Timing is running out for such action. The Green New Deal may be our last, best hope.
Green New Deal
The Green New Deal is a four part program for moving America quickly out of crisis into a secure, sustainable future. Inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s, the Green New Deal will provide similar relief and create an economy that makes our...www.gp.org
What makes this policy communism. Explain it in YOUR OWN WORDS.
Billy000
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How is this even remotely communism?Elizabeth Warren: Here's My Plan To Cancel Student Loan Debt
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren proposes to cancel student loan debt.
I'm not a Republican (or a Democrat), but maybe I can explain it to you. Communism, as a theory, is nothing more than the name implies: Everyone living together in a community, all working for the common good ("from each according to his ability") and sharing resources ("to each according to his need").
Communism in practice is a political tool to establish totalitarian control over a group of people by promising them future benefits that are neither realistic nor obtainable. As these benefits become more ephemeral, external blame is created by demonizing certain people in order to maintain control of the group. This was accomplished in the USSR and China, and is being attempted by the Democratic Party in the U.S.
It was attempted by Lenin and failed under Stalin. Communism can't exist in large groups of people. Those two that you claim are successful are actually continuously going from Oligarchy to Dictator and back again. Neither are communists. You fruitcake Rumpsters need to find a better schtick.
MaryL
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Democrats are sure ALL republicans are Nazis, although they can't define it themselves. Lets stop the hate.It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.
MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism
"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."
TemplarKormac
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It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.
MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism
"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."
Nope, you are wrong. But we are pretty sure all you rumpsters are fascists.Democrats are sure ALL republicans are Nazis, although they cant' define it themselves. Lets stop the hate.
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