Republicans want to decrease turnout by pretending to think that mail ballots will result in fraud.

[ThisIsMe]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

Sorry, you didn't make that distinction in your original comment.

But isn't that the case anywhere? Sounds like you are asking about 2 individuals making a transaction. I would assume that in any state, if one individual is selling a gun to another individual, he is not going to ask for an ID. In this case, the term "legally" wouldn't apply, since legality would really be used in a retail sales environment.

Legality is used in every environment. I said you can buy a gun in Texas without showing ID. I was correct. As many as 40% of gun show sales do not include licensed dealers. Purchases from strangers out of the trunk of a car are not seen as a problem.

well, two strangers selling a gun out of a trunk of their car sounds like a shady deal, but that doesn't apply to a gun show, as the bill that you linked says its illegal for someone to sell gun at a gun show without going through the instant background check, which I assume requires an ID?

 

[bripat9643]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Trump loves absentee ballots.

So far the biggest case of mail in vote fraud is in NJ, and it was democrats doing it.

How many fraudulent votes were there because of the Democratic fraud?

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Hundreds of Ballots in a local election.

That’s not what the story says.

The investigation began after the US Postal Inspection Service found hundreds of mail-in ballots in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in another mailbox in nearby Haledon, according to a release from the attorney general. The May 12 elections in New Jersey were conducted by mail-in ballots due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Oh, rly?

It looks like the vast majority of what they have on these guys is ballot harvesting, which is illegal no doubt, but not that the votes weren't from actual people.

Paterson election fraud: Who was charged and what we know

Here's what we know about the election fraud charges related to Paterson's May city council election, which were announced Thursday.

www.northjersey.com

I believe a bigger case of voter fraud was actually Republicans in 2018. They had to redo the election.

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

Mail-in voting makes ballot harvesting possible.

a lot of states only allow one person to collect only 3 other ballots, and they have to sign the envelope they harvested....

THAT measure could be put in place by all states....

How about putting in place no mail-in ballots? That's a 100% gauantee against ballot harvesting.

 

[BULLDOG]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

Sorry, you didn't make that distinction in your original comment.

But isn't that the case anywhere? Sounds like you are asking about 2 individuals making a transaction. I would assume that in any state, if one individual is selling a gun to another individual, he is not going to ask for an ID. In this case, the term "legally" wouldn't apply, since legality would really be used in a retail sales environment.

Legality is used in every environment. I said you can buy a gun in Texas without showing ID. I was correct. As many as 40% of gun show sales do not include licensed dealers. Purchases from strangers out of the trunk of a car are not seen as a problem.

well, two strangers selling a gun out of a trunk of their car sounds like a shady deal, but that doesn't apply to a gun show, as the bill that you linked says its illegal for someone to sell gun at a gun show without going through the instant background check, which I assume requires an ID?

And the bill was introduced but left to die. Read the first few lines, and you will see that.

 

[colfax_m]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Trump loves absentee ballots.

So far the biggest case of mail in vote fraud is in NJ, and it was democrats doing it.

How many fraudulent votes were there because of the Democratic fraud?

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Hundreds of Ballots in a local election.

That’s not what the story says.

The investigation began after the US Postal Inspection Service found hundreds of mail-in ballots in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in another mailbox in nearby Haledon, according to a release from the attorney general. The May 12 elections in New Jersey were conducted by mail-in ballots due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Oh, rly?

It looks like the vast majority of what they have on these guys is ballot harvesting, which is illegal no doubt, but not that the votes weren't from actual people.

Paterson election fraud: Who was charged and what we know

Here's what we know about the election fraud charges related to Paterson's May city council election, which were announced Thursday.

www.northjersey.com

I believe a bigger case of voter fraud was actually Republicans in 2018. They had to redo the election.

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

Mail-in voting makes ballot harvesting possible.

a lot of states only allow one person to collect only 3 other ballots, and they have to sign the envelope they harvested....

THAT measure could be put in place by all states....

How about putting in place no mail-in ballots? That's a 100% gauantee against ballot harvesting.

But then Trump and most of his staff might not be able to vote.

 

[bripat9643]

But then Trump and most of his staff might not be able to vote.

Absentee ballots are not mail in ballots.

 

[colfax_m]

But then Trump and most of his staff might not be able to vote.

Absentee ballots are not mail in ballots.

Really? People don’t mail in absentee ballots?

 

[bripat9643]

But then Trump and most of his staff might not be able to vote.

Absentee ballots are not mail in ballots.

Really? People don’t mail in absentee ballots?

They don't get them by mail. They go down to the registrar and pick them up personally

 

[colfax_m]

But then Trump and most of his staff might not be able to vote.

Absentee ballots are not mail in ballots.

Really? People don’t mail in absentee ballots?

They don't get them by mail. They go down to the registrar and pick them up personally

They could, but absentee ballots are more often just mailed to the recipients.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

Sorry, you didn't make that distinction in your original comment.

But isn't that the case anywhere? Sounds like you are asking about 2 individuals making a transaction. I would assume that in any state, if one individual is selling a gun to another individual, he is not going to ask for an ID. In this case, the term "legally" wouldn't apply, since legality would really be used in a retail sales environment.

Legality is used in every environment. I said you can buy a gun in Texas without showing ID. I was correct. As many as 40% of gun show sales do not include licensed dealers. Purchases from strangers out of the trunk of a car are not seen as a problem.

well, two strangers selling a gun out of a trunk of their car sounds like a shady deal, but that doesn't apply to a gun show, as the bill that you linked says its illegal for someone to sell gun at a gun show without going through the instant background check, which I assume requires an ID?

And the bill was introduced but left to die. Read the first few lines, and you will see that.

Alas, you are correct. I think the overall point, however, of his comment was that, in most things, an ID is required.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Trump loves absentee ballots.

So far the biggest case of mail in vote fraud is in NJ, and it was democrats doing it.

How many fraudulent votes were there because of the Democratic fraud?

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Hundreds of Ballots in a local election.

That’s not what the story says.

The investigation began after the US Postal Inspection Service found hundreds of mail-in ballots in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in another mailbox in nearby Haledon, according to a release from the attorney general. The May 12 elections in New Jersey were conducted by mail-in ballots due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Oh, rly?

It looks like the vast majority of what they have on these guys is ballot harvesting, which is illegal no doubt, but not that the votes weren't from actual people.

Paterson election fraud: Who was charged and what we know

Here's what we know about the election fraud charges related to Paterson's May city council election, which were announced Thursday.

www.northjersey.com

I believe a bigger case of voter fraud was actually Republicans in 2018. They had to redo the election.

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

All the more reason to worry about mass mail in voting.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

 

[BULLDOG]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Again, whine all you want. Mail in ballots will be adopted, and the repub party will have to change or die.

 

[2aguy]

Republicans don't think mail ballots are unsafe. Republicans are just pretending to think so in order to force as many in-person votes as possible. This is because Republican voters are more likely to be unafraid to be exposed to coronavirus (due to their ignorance about risk posed by being in a crowd). Democrats are more likely to be afraid of being out there in a crowd bring exposed to the virus.

Republicans know the state of Washington and Oregon have been conducting all-mail elections for years without problems.

They just don't mention Oregon and Washington.

Because they're playing dumb.

We know what you're trying to do.

Moron...the U.S. postal service can't handle the ballots in just New Jersey........and that is on top of democrat party and foriegn government fraud....

Oregon....32% failure rate...

If you think that is the basis to do the entire election by mail in vote, you are a moron....

America’s Hidden Voting Epidemic? Mail Ballot Failures

In 2018, however, Oregon mailed out over 2.8 million ballots, according to the EAC report. Roughly 60,200 were “undeliverable,” raising serious questions about the accuracy of the state’s voter registration list. Almost 870,000 ballots are listed in the “unknown” category.

That means the failure rate of Oregon’s mail balloting system was more than 32 percent.

========

About one in every 10 people who mailed in ballots in last month’s special elections had their votes rejected, which could forebode the potential disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of New Jerseyans in next month’s primaries.

An NJ Spotlight analysis of the vote-by-mail ballots cast in 31 municipalities that held nonpartisan municipal, school board or special elections on May 12 — an entirely mail-in election — found that election officials did not count 9.6% of ballots sent in. A database provided by the state Division of Elections shows more than a dozen reasons for rejecting ballots. Most commonly, officials did not count ballots because the signature on the ballot did not match the one on file, the ballot arrived too late or the required certificate was not enclosed.

One in 10 Ballots Rejected in Last Month’s Vote-by-Mail Elections | NJ Spotlight

 

[Seawytch]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Incidents of Vote by Mail Fraud over the last 20 years....0.000006%. You are much more likely to be struck by lightning AND get COVID.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Cheat how? How is it "easier to falsify"?

Filling out ballots for people. Harvesting ballots. Casting ballots from phantom people.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

bull crud on absentee for cause only, admiral! That's up to each individual state...

i vote with no cause, absentee every election..... and wouldn't want it any other way... I love getting the ballot and going through each candidate..... and going through any referendum questions.... it takes me 2 to 4 weeks going through them all.... before I cast my vote!

And even when I worked, IT WAS A TIME SAVER, to vote by mail.... not having to know whether I'd be in town or miss some meeting because I was standing in line to vote.... was less stressful!

How do we know it's you voting?

The signature on the envelope matches the signature on file....Duh

Yes, because signatures can't be forged, and everyone verifying a signature is an expert on the subject and takes the time to verify.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Incidents of Vote by Mail Fraud over the last 20 years....0.000006%. You are much more likely to be struck by lightning AND get COVID.

Yes, that we know about. What are the procedures to figure it out? Dems vote against any bill that improves voting safety?

Dems: There is no voter fraud!
Reps: Well lets pass laws to verify that
Dems: We don't need those laws because there is no voter fraud!

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Again, whine all you want. Mail in ballots will be adopted, and the repub party will have to change or die.

Because of the the Dem cheating right?

 

[BULLDOG]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Again, whine all you want. Mail in ballots will be adopted, and the repub party will have to change or die.

Because of the the Dem cheating right?

I'm sure that's the conspiracy theory you'll go with, unless you can come up with something better.

 

[martybegan]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

But how would or could citizens cheat, by voting absentee/mail in Marty?

Lets see, harvesting, groups pressuring people to vote for their candidate in their homes, theft of ballots, miscounting of ballots, "loss" of ballots from areas the ruling party knows votes against them.

Again, whine all you want. Mail in ballots will be adopted, and the repub party will have to change or die.

Because of the the Dem cheating right?

I'm sure that's the conspiracy theory you'll go with, unless you can come up with something better.

It's why you are so hard up on mail in voting. It allows you to find obvious non voters, either registered legally or illegally, and harvest their votes for your side.