Russians Can never afford to leave an independent Ukraine

[AZrailwhale]

So was Putin.

When someone gets seventy seven percent of the votes, it’s very unlikely to have been a free election.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We have a terrible GOP/Trump/Murdoch misinformation problem...It's a Putin Trump Strongman BS thing...

Nope we have a problem where both major parties openly lie and cheat to win elections. Neither of them openly state their plans and convictions. That being said, I support Republicans/conservatives because their observed policies are less bad for the average American.

 

[francoHFW]

Democracy is not a form of government that can be easily adopted. It has taken the US nearly three hundred years to adopt it and it’s still a struggle every day. If anything, we are losing ground when nearly fifty percent of voters doubt the honesty of the last presidential election. To make things worse, the party in power has done nothing to convince the doubters that the next election will be more honest. Countries with authoritarian pasts can’t throw a switch and change the thought patterns of hundreds of years overnight. The best they can hope for in benevolent dictatorships. The Western European democracies also struggle, but they don’t seem to be as badly split over po,itical diffetences.

the usa adopted it with our genius constitution thank god and it's good for the world's future...but why the f are we the only modern country without a living wage healthcare daycare cheap college and training? Why? total gop bs. the doubters are fools.

 

[francoHFW]

Nope we have a problem where both major parties openly lie and cheat to win elections. Neither of them openly state their plans and convictions. That being said, I support Republicans/conservatives because their observed policies are less bad for the average American.

you are misinformed

 

[Dalia]

What a bunch of idiocy.

The only danger an independent, well armed Ukraine poses to Russia is the ability to stop them if they ever attempt to invade again.

The excuse making for and kissing of Putin's ass constantly by a few people here in the US is deeply disturbing especially from those who claim to be Republicans or Conservatives.

Russia has always wanted Ukraine's natural resources and this is the fourth time in just over a hundred years they've attempted to take them by force.

Give Ukraine whatever they need in the form of conventional weapons and logistical support to chase the Bear back to Moscow and keep him from ever returning.

Yes,This is the reason of the invasion and nothing else but Putin is making-up some other excuse and people who are not stupid could look at it closed and see all the goods that he going after .
The reason for this invasion is the hold-up of natural resources .
The enormous coal wealth of the Donbass basin (107 billion tonnes in 2013), the huge iron deposit of Krivoï-Rog (7 billion tonnes in 2002)

 

[AZrailwhale]

the usa adopted it with our genius constitution thank god and it's good for the world's future...but why the f are we the only modern country without a living wage healthcare daycare cheap college and training? Why? total gop bs. the doubters are fools.

Because under the”genius constitution” none of those nice things fall under the purview of the government, please read the a Tenth Amendment for the limitations of the government.

 

[AZrailwhale]

you are misinformed

Nope.

you are misinformed

double post

 

[francoHFW]

Because under the”genius constitution” none of those nice things fall under the purview of the government, please read the a Tenth Amendment for the limitations of the government.

the courts say they are fine of course....

 

[Silver Cat]

Tell that to the tens of thousands dead Russian soldiers.

Previous time they had lost millions of them to liberate Ukraine.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Actually, Russia conquere so called "Ukrainian lands" quite regularly and most of Ukrainians accepted the rule of Novgorod, Moscow or St. Petersburg quite easily.

They accepted Russian rule because they had no choice and they have overwhelmingly rejected it since 97 right up to this day.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Previous time they had lost millions of them to liberate Ukraine.

I don't know how anyone could be so dishonest as to call the Russians, "Liberators".

 

[Silver Cat]

I don't know how anyone could be so dishonest as to call the Russians, "Liberators".

Why not? For absolute majority of Ukrainians Soviet Union was "liberator" and even "savior" (comparing with German or Polish slavery/genocide).

 

[Silver Cat]

They accepted Russian rule because they had no choice and they have overwhelmingly rejected it since 97 right up to this day.

Sure, there is always a choice. The Russian rule was much better than Polish, Turkish or even Austrian ones.

 

[francoHFW]

Previous time they had lost millions of them to liberate Ukraine.

WTF is wrong with you? Putinist shyttehead....lol. Change the gd channel....We don't like corrupt murdering invading Nazis here...

 

[francoHFW]

Why not? For absolute majority of Ukrainians Soviet Union was "liberator" and even "savior" (comparing with German or Polish slavery/genocide).

All authoritarian crap the world is done putting up with....

 

[Silver Cat]

All authoritarian crap the world is done putting up with....

Nothing is done. Authorism is alive and kicking even in the USA.

 

[Silver Cat]

WTF is wrong with you? Putinist shyttehead....lol. Change the gd channel....We don't like corrupt murdering invading Nazis here...

It's not about what do you like. It's about what do you need to know to be able to make an informed decision.

 

[justoffal]

Consider this, if the Russians ever call it a day and leave the war with Ukraine and Ukraine is still independent, there will be nothing to stop Ukraine from acquiring major weapons from the west along with the training and logistical support for them. Weapons that would eat the Russians alive in a future war.

Forget the proposed Mig-29 transfer, imagine Ukraine with 100 or so F-15s or F-16s or even F-35.

Forget the Javelin anti tank missiles, imagine the Ukrainians equipped with hundreds of M-1 Abrams tanks.

Forget the Stinger man portable SAMs, imagine Ukraine with hundreds of conventionally equipped Tomahawk cruise missiles that could strike targets all across European Russia.

In short, if Russia steps back now, Ukraine will very quickly become the mortal threat they have wanted to pretend it was.

They already were a lethal threat when they had a pretty impressive nuclear arsenal that Obama talked them out of.... Geez why do I think they might regret that now?

 

[Dayton3]

So, do you mean, that you are not on the American side?

American side, Ukrainian side, one and the same. As long as Russians are killed.

They already were a lethal threat when they had a pretty impressive nuclear arsenal that Obama talked them out of.... Geez why do I think they might regret that now?

In all fairness ever now Ukraine would never use nuclear weapons against the Russians.

 

[Silver Cat]

American side, Ukrainian side, one and the same. As long as Russians are killed.

Of course, no. If you say, that the peaceful coexistence is impossible - you lead us directly into a catastrophe. Ukraine may be very useful tool, but only if we understand how to use it in a proper way.

In all fairness ever now Ukraine would never use nuclear weapons against the Russians.

It depends... Ukraine is Small Russia.