Shall not be infringed.

VIDEO: The Daily Show on Fox News and a ?weak Constitution?

You guys are for dismantling all sorts of rights, just don't touch the 2nd one

Really? Which ones do we want to dismantle?

The right to due process (immigration), the right to equal protection (same-sex couples and marriage), the right to privacy (reproductive rights), but to name a few.

Indeed, we’ve even heard republican and conservative lawmakers advocate repealing the 14th Amendment as a way to deny the right to citizenship at birth.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

So the machine gun ban is unconstitutional? It certainly infringes.
 
VIDEO: The Daily Show on Fox News and a ?weak Constitution?

You guys are for dismantling all sorts of rights, just don't touch the 2nd one

Really? Which ones do we want to dismantle?

The right to due process (immigration), the right to equal protection (same-sex couples and marriage), the right to privacy (reproductive rights), but to name a few.

Indeed, we’ve even heard republican and conservative lawmakers advocate repealing the 14th Amendment as a way to deny the right to citizenship at birth.

Illegal immigrants do not deserve the right to due process, the deserve to be sent home. Equal protection? How can liberals preach of equality when their history contradicts their platform? Right to privacy? Getting an abortion is no private matter.
 
Really? Which ones do we want to dismantle?

The right to due process (immigration), the right to equal protection (same-sex couples and marriage), the right to privacy (reproductive rights), but to name a few.

Indeed, we’ve even heard republican and conservative lawmakers advocate repealing the 14th Amendment as a way to deny the right to citizenship at birth.

Illegal immigrants do not deserve the right to due process, the deserve to be sent home. Equal protection? How can liberals preach of equality when their history contradicts their platform? Right to privacy? Getting an abortion is no private matter.

So you are ok with the courts, and the legislator telling a woman what she can and can't do with her reproductive rights. Nice to know. Would you also be in favor of Congress enacting laws about vasectomies, and when men can and can't have them? I mean, hell, why stop at abortions and women? Let's start telling men what they can and can't do.

And I liked how you just turned the equal rights argument right back at the person who originally said something. So you obviously aren't denying that is what is being done. Your silence on the matter speaks loud enough.
 
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...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

That's not the whole amendment.
 
Really? Which ones do we want to dismantle?

The right to due process (immigration), the right to equal protection (same-sex couples and marriage), the right to privacy (reproductive rights), but to name a few.

Indeed, we’ve even heard republican and conservative lawmakers advocate repealing the 14th Amendment as a way to deny the right to citizenship at birth.

Illegal immigrants do not deserve the right to due process, the deserve to be sent home. Equal protection? How can liberals preach of equality when their history contradicts their platform? Right to privacy? Getting an abortion is no private matter.

That is utterly and completely incorrect.
 
This thread dispels the notion that conservatives have any idea what's actually in the constitution. A document, that itself, is liberal for all intents and purposes.

They really should stop pinning any of their ridiculous notions to that document.
 
So you agree that, similarly, there are no constitutionally allowable exceptions for the 2nd. Thank you.
You just admitted that exceptions to the 1st amendment were acceptable.
Which means you've admitted that 2nd amendment exceptions are acceptable.
And so we go back to my question:
Why does the 1st amendment not protect kiddie porn?

The answer:
Rights may be constitutionally restricted when the exercise in question causes harm or places others in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger; kiddie porn harms the child and so falls outside the protection of the 2nd.

How does simple ownership/posseesiomn of a firearm cause harm?
How does simple ownership/possession of a firearm places others in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger?

If you can soundly asnwer these questions, then you'll show how restrictions on simple ownership/possession of fiirerarms are constitutionally acceptable.
If not, you cannot show any such thing.

Never practice law.

You seriously show a lack of understanding of how it works. :lol:
 
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

DC v. Heller (2008)

“…or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Such as license requirements, registration requirements, permit requirements, background checks, and waiting periods – all of which have been upheld as Constitutional in state and Federal courts.

Consequently your position that these and other measures constitute an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights is both ignorant and incorrect.

"dunno" indeed.

They all constitute an infringement on the right to bear arms. The owner of a building is free to impose whatever rules it likes for admittance to the building. In the case of schools and court houses, the government is the owner, so it imposes the rules. Licensing requirements, background checks and waiting periods, on the other hand, do not involve government property. There is no legal justification for them.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

That's not the whole amendment.

It's the only part of the amendment that has any legal implications. The other clause is purely explanatory.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:


You're whining without direction.
 
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

DC v. Heller (2008)

“…or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Such as license requirements, registration requirements, permit requirements, background checks, and waiting periods – all of which have been upheld as Constitutional in state and Federal courts.

Consequently your position that these and other measures constitute an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights is both ignorant and incorrect.

"dunno" indeed.

They all constitute an infringement on the right to bear arms. The owner of a building is free to impose whatever rules it likes for admittance to the building. In the case of schools and court houses, the government is the owner, so it imposes the rules. Licensing requirements, background checks and waiting periods, on the other hand, do not involve government property. There is no legal justification for them.

Actually, more often then not..that's not the case.

But what the heck does that have to do with the second amendment?
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:
As with all other rights, Second Amendment rights are not absolute, and subject to appropriate restrictions:

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

DC v. Heller (2008)

“…or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Such as license requirements, registration requirements, permit requirements, background checks, and waiting periods – all of which have been upheld as Constitutional in state and Federal courts.

Consequently your position that these and other measures constitute an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights is both ignorant and incorrect.
Yours is the typically dishionest, incorrect and self-serving interpretation of this clause.

The clause speaks of restrictions and qualifications for the commercial sale of arms, not the exercise of the right to possess/own - that is, regulations of interstate commerce such as requiring a licensed dealer for a transfer, only able to buy certain guns across state lines; requiring a lucensed dealer for interstate transfer of other guns, etc.

Nothing in Heller supports the idea that licensing, registration, etc, are constitutionaly allowable; the ruling itself specifically states that such things are not considered by the case in any way.
 
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...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

So the machine gun ban is unconstitutional? It certainly infringes.
There is no federal ban on machineguns.
:dunno:
 
VIDEO: The Daily Show on Fox News and a ?weak Constitution?

You guys are for dismantling all sorts of rights, just don't touch the 2nd one

Really? Which ones do we want to dismantle?

The right to due process (immigration), the right to equal protection (same-sex couples and marriage), the right to privacy (reproductive rights), but to name a few.

Illegal immigrants have no right to "due process" regarding their immigration status. "Same sex marriage" is an oxymoron. It has no equal protection implications. There is no "right to privacy" in the constitution. However, there is a right to be secure in your papers, houses and effects, which liberals routinely urge the government to violate.

There are constitutional rights and then their are invented liberal rights. Everything on your list falls into the later category.

Indeed, we’ve even heard republican and conservative lawmakers advocate repealing the 14th Amendment as a way to deny the right to citizenship at birth.

True, but unlike liberals they actually propose to amend the constitution, not simply interpret rights into non-existence. Only liberals are scandalized by the idea that you aren't automatically entitled to citizenship due to an accident of birth. Liberals want to abolish the First amendment and make it legal for the government to censor corporations.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

That's not the whole amendment.
Your statement does nothing to address, much less negate, my poimt.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:
As with all other rights, Second Amendment rights are not absolute, and subject to appropriate restrictions:

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

DC v. Heller (2008)

“…or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Such as license requirements, registration requirements, permit requirements, background checks, and waiting periods – all of which have been upheld as Constitutional in state and Federal courts.

Consequently your position that these and other measures constitute an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights is both ignorant and incorrect.
Yours is the typically dishionest, incorrect and self-serving interpretation of this clause.

The clause speaks of restrictions and qualifications for the commercial sale of arms, not the exercise of the right to possess/own - that is, regulations of interstate commerce such as requiring a licensed dealer for a transfer, only able to buy certain guns across state lines; requiring a lucensed dealer for interstate transfer of other guns, etc.

Nothing in Heller supports the idea that licensieng, registration, etc, are constitutionaly allowable; the ruling itself specifically states that such tings are not considered by the case in any way.

Says the OP who started this thread with a lie of omission by printing a third of the second amendment.

There are 2 other parts to it. The notion of defense of the state. And the notion of militias.
 
This thread dispels the notion that conservatives have any idea what's actually in the constitution. A document, that itself, is liberal for all intents and purposes.

They really should stop pinning any of their ridiculous notions to that document.
Further proof tha anti-gun loons cannot present an argument not based in emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
 
You just admitted that exceptions to the 1st amendment were acceptable.
Which means you've admitted that 2nd amendment exceptions are acceptable.
And so we go back to my question:
Why does the 1st amendment not protect kiddie porn?

The answer:
Rights may be constitutionally restricted when the exercise in question causes harm or places others in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger; kiddie porn harms the child and so falls outside the protection of the 2nd.

How does simple ownership/posseesiomn of a firearm cause harm?
How does simple ownership/possession of a firearm places others in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger?

If you can soundly asnwer these questions, then you'll show how restrictions on simple ownership/possession of fiirerarms are constitutionally acceptable.
If not, you cannot show any such thing.
Never practice law.
You seriously show a lack of understanding of how it works.
I note the complete absence of a rerspone that illustrates exactly how I am wrong.
I therefore accept your concession of the points I made.
 
...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
To the anti-gun loons and their useful idiot followers, this reads:

....the right to keep and bear arms shall be taxed, licensed, registered, delayed, subjected prior restraint, and otherwise arbitrarily limited – but it shall not be infringed.

Never mind that these same people scream at the top of their lungs that, when applied to any other other right, each of these things violate the constitition, including those rights not so protected.

:dunno:

That's not the whole amendment.
Your statement does nothing to address, much less negate, my poimt.

Of course it does.

And you folks keep leaving out most of the amendment.

Along with the FACT that every other amendment in the constitution has legislation that restricts and curtails them.
 

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