Should Vietnam War Soldiers Statues Be Removed ?

[Bush92]

Great historian says it best:

 

[Bush92]

All the lies by those like protectionist and Bush92 does not help their cause.

Theirs is the revisionist history, which is laughed at in our HSs and colleges.

Because public education and our college campuses are indoctrination centers for Big Brother liberals.

 

[Bush92]

All the lies by those like protectionist and Bush92 does not help their cause.

Theirs is the revisionist history, which is laughed at in our HSs and colleges.

They ignore the truth.

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[JakeStarkey]

All the lies by those like protectionist and Bush92 does not help their cause.

Theirs is the revisionist history, which is laughed at in our HSs and colleges.

Because public education and our college campuses are indoctrination centers for Big Brother liberals.

They are defenders of true American history, yup.

 

[Bush92]

Watch and learn you liberal boobs.

 

[Moonglow]

Bush92 and protectionist are captives of far right weird double think and double speak.

Leave the Vietnam memorials alone for now.

I, for one, am grateful that HSs and higher educational institutions almost 100% teach that the CSA was shit and the war was the fault of the South.

So you are HYPOCRITE. You want to remove statues of soldiers who fought a DEFENSIVE war, but are OK with statues of soldiers who fought a totally immoral, imperialist war, against a country that we had no beef with. Sick!

Gettysburg was not a defensive position for the south, but they did need shoes..

 

[JoeB131]

This question is asked of those who think it’s proper to remove statues of Confederate army soldiers. The confederates fought a defensive war against a foe, that traveled long distances on foot and horseback, to attack the Confederates on their home ground. They fought against a Union army that was shooting at them, blowing up their buildings, and burning down their bridges, churches, etc.

In contrast, the Vietnam War soldiers fought an offensive war, in which they traveled thousands of miles to attack an “enemy” who actually wasn’t an enemy. They shot at and bombed people who had not attacked us, or even threatened us verbally.

Wow, great false equivalency there...

No one honors the leaders who got us into Vietnam. No one has statues up to MacNamara, or Westmoreland, or and of the leaders of that conflict. The statues honor the men and women who were often conscripted to fight it, who actually were fighting what most of us agree was a good fight.

As opposed to the Confederates, who fought so a few rich people could keep owning slaves, including those who got statues after the war.

So here's a reasonable compromise. Take down the statues of the generals and politiicans, and leave up the statues to the soldiers. Sounds fair.

 

[protectionist]

To this thread, as the Rock of WWE fame, would say >> IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Civil War was about.

We're talking about SOLDIERS' statues, not politicians.

 

[JoeB131]

To this thread, as the Rock of WWE fame, would say >> IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Civil War was about.

We're talking about SOLDIERS' statues, not politicians.

Well, yeah, it kind of does.

We don't honor the war dead of Nazi Germany. I remember when Ronnie Raygun wanted to lay a wreath at Bitburg Cemetary where they had some Waffen SS Duded buried, and they threw a fit.

This isn't about honoring the dead, it's about the south being unwilling to come to terms with the shitty things they did.

 

[protectionist]

Wow, great false equivalency there...

No one honors the leaders who got us into Vietnam. No one has statues up to MacNamara, or Westmoreland, or and of the leaders of that conflict. The statues honor the men and women who were often conscripted to fight it, who actually were fighting what most of us agree was a good fight.

As opposed to the Confederates, who fought so a few rich people could keep owning slaves, including those who got statues after the war.

So here's a reasonable compromise. Take down the statues of the generals and politiicans, and leave up the statues to the soldiers. Sounds fair.

Most of us agree that the Vietnam War was a "good fight" Are we talking about the same war ? Wow. Is this dude dreaming, or what ?

Most Confederates did not fight "so a few rich people could keep owning slaves"

You don't know history.

1. Most Confederates who fought against Union troops weren't fighting for the Confederacy. They were fighting to defend themselves, their homes, their churches, their buildings, bridges, etc from people who were attacking them.

2. Most Confederates weren't even soldiers. They were civilians (mostly farmers) who never saw a slave.

3. Confederates in the mountain states (Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, North & South Carolina, and the northern parts of Georgia and Alabama), had no connection to slavery. Slavery was a cotton plantation thing of the southern COASTAL PLAINS. Most mountain southern never laid eyes on a black person and probaly didn;t even know they existed. They were poor, uneducated, had no TV, radio, computers, and couldnt read a newspaper if they had one.

4. The generals are soldiers just as much as any private, sergeant or captain. They ALL made no laws, and determined no policy.

 

[protectionist]

Well, yeah, it kind of does.

We don't honor the war dead of Nazi Germany. I remember when Ronnie Raygun wanted to lay a wreath at Bitburg Cemetary where they had some Waffen SS Duded buried, and they threw a fit.

This isn't about honoring the dead, it's about the south being unwilling to come to terms with the shitty things they did.

NO, it does NOT matter to this thread, because the thread is saying that SOLDIERS' statues should stay. What the war was about, has no connection to them. Soldiers don't make policy. They just follow orders, fight wars, risk their lives, and lose their lives, and anyone who tries to remove their statues and dishonor them is an idiot.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This question is asked of those who think it’s proper to remove statues of Confederate army soldiers. The confederates fought a defensive war against a foe, that traveled long distances on foot and horseback, to attack the Confederates on their home ground. They fought against a Union army that was shooting at them, blowing up their buildings, and burning down their bridges, churches, etc.

In contrast, the Vietnam War soldiers fought an offensive war, in which they traveled thousands of miles to attack an “enemy” who actually wasn’t an enemy. They shot at and bombed people who had not attacked us, or even threatened us verbally.

It looks like the Confederates, fighting defensively, had a more valid cause to fight than the Vietnam War soldiers fighting offensively – against people who never attacked us.

So if one could call for a Confederate soldier statue to be removed, could they support removal of Vietnam War soldiers’ statues and monuments ? Would they ?

Why would they? They weren't traitors to the United States.

They were fighting against the traitors from the north.

 

[protectionist]

They are defenders of true American history, yup.

According to programmed robots like you. How sad.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yeah, it does matter. We don't honor the war dead of a traitor group. Simple as that. Those days are over. The programmed traitors of the south still live.

 

[protectionist]

They were fighting against the traitors from the north.

INVADERS form the north.

 

[protectionist]

Yeah, it does matter. We don't honor the war dead of a traitor group. Simple as that. Those days are over.

NO it's NOT as simple as that. The SOLDIERS should not be grouped with the politicians. You don't get it, but then you're a liberal.

 

[protectionist]

All the lies by those like protectionist and Bush92 does not help their cause.

Theirs is the revisionist history, which is laughed at in our HSs and colleges.

10 year olds laugh too.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

They were fighting against the traitors from the north.

INVADERS form the north.

The north were essentially traitors, too, as they had assumed a similar tyrannic role as the British that the US rebelled against.

 

[protectionist]

The north were essentially traitors, too, as they had assumed a similar tyrannic role as the British that the US rebelled against.

Good comparison. Valid.