Smoking Bans

[rightwinger]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

In the case of banning smoking in public....yes it is

 

[Pogo]

No one has said that smokers should be allowed to light up wherever they choose.

Seems that way.

You just have to read the thread going

Same way you have to read the Surgeon General's report (and the Cancer Society, and the CDC, and the various medical studies...)

 

[Pogo]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

Individual fucking responsibility. Isn't it greater?

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe not, but they can ensure that public spaces are safe

Yes, but there is no agreement on what constitutes "safe". You want your definition to be mandated on everyone else-------------thats the point here.

I hate smoking, do not smoke, do not want to be around smokers. But I do not want to take away their right to shorten their lives if they choose to do so.

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When a smoker lights up in a room with other people, he/she IS deciding for everybody else.
Don't you get that??

Now, come on, Pogo. There is nothing I like better after a nice meal than to walk up to all the other patrons and slap them across the face. I like it. It helps me relax.

Now, who the heck are you to tell me that their right to not be slapped trumps my right to slap them? That's just down right insane!. I've been slapping people ever since 1964 when the older kids taught me it was the cool thing to do, and I'm not about to stop now!.

You do gooders and your newfangled ways, anyway!

And your grand father slapped people for 40 years and it didn't hurt him, right?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

A republic where majority rules. Isn't it great?

 

[paulitician]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

In the case of banning smoking in public....yes it is

Yes, but Big Brother has done so much more than that. Banning things has become all the rage in this Police/Nanny State. What a shame.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, but there is no agreement on what constitutes "safe". You want your definition to be mandated on everyone else-------------thats the point here.

I hate smoking, do not smoke, do not want to be around smokers. But I do not want to take away their right to shorten their lives if they choose to do so.

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

Guess she forgot that its the blue states who are supporting the red states.

 

[Pogo]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

In the case of banning smoking in public....yes it is

Yes, but Big Brother has done so much more than that. Banning things has become all the rage in this Police/Nanny State. What a shame.

The Nanny State bans murder too. What a shame.
-- Right?


... Randbots... smh

 

[paulitician]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

Individual fucking responsibility. Isn't it greater?

Oh, what will you loony Nanny/Police Staters ban next? Maybe Big Gulps? How bout swimming pools?

 

[paulitician]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

In the case of banning smoking in public....yes it is

Yes, but Big Brother has done so much more than that. Banning things has become all the rage in this Police/Nanny State. What a shame.

The Nanny State bans murder too. What a shame.
-- Right?


... Randbots... smh

You're getting hysterical now. Calm down.

 

[paulitician]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

A republic where majority rules. Isn't it great?

Not always. Ask the German People.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

And your grand father slapped people for 40 years and it didn't hurt him, right?

You're damned tootin!

These hippie do gooders make my blood boil, sometimes. It's almost as bad as all those new laws that say you can't urinate on somebody's shoes. The way our God-given rights are being eroded in this country, I just might move somewhere else where people have REAL freedoms.

I hear Somalia is nice.

 

[AquaAthena]

Yes, but there is no agreement on what constitutes "safe". You want your definition to be mandated on everyone else-------------thats the point here.

I hate smoking, do not smoke, do not want to be around smokers. But I do not want to take away their right to shorten their lives if they choose to do so.

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

Most people working for a living are paying federal income tax, however nominally. Conservatives are the people most likely to be in business for themselves

Yes, but there is no agreement on what constitutes "safe". You want your definition to be mandated on everyone else-------------thats the point here.

I hate smoking, do not smoke, do not want to be around smokers. But I do not want to take away their right to shorten their lives if they choose to do so.

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

The wealthy pay more in taxes. I would argue there are more conservatives in that group than liberals. However, am I not in the Smoking Ban thread and if so, is it being derailed?

Logging off. Make a great day, sweethearts. Some of us have to go to work, so that the rest of you can play.

 

[paulitician]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

 

[dblack]

Lots of excuses, maybe. But the crux is what you're saying is "we know better", that people shouldn't be allowed to choose for themselves because they're too stupid.

No, not stupid.

Stupid is not knowing how to use information at your disposal.
Ignorant is not knowing stuff.

Now, everyone is ignorant. There are thousands of languages in the world and person who can boast they speak loads might speak 8 or 9. They just happen to be extremely ignorant of all of the others. It's actually quite normal.

How many people are up on the effects of smoking? Well we have tobacco companies telling us there's no harm. We have others saying there is harm. Unless I do my own experiments how to I become not-ignorant on this issue?

Everyone is ignorant? hmmm. I assume 'everyone' includes the officials put in charge of deciding for us? Or are we just talking about the ignoramuses who elected them? If everyone is ignorant, why should some decide for others?

 

[rightwinger]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

 

[dblack]

I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others.

Do you? Really? So should people have the right to work in an office where smoking is allowed? Eat in a restaurant where smoking is allowed?

Sure, but smokers are now a minority. If the majority vote to ban smoking in the workplace and restaurants, there is no longer a question.

Smokers are free to smoke where others are not breathing.

And no one has the right to force me to smoke at my work or public places.

That's what I thought. You don't agree, at all, that people should be allowed to decide or themselves how much risk is acceptable. You want to decide for them. What you mean by - "I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others." - is exactly the opposite: that people should decide for others and that individuals shouldn't have that choice. Are all your convictions this inside-out?

I have the right to "how much risk is acceptable" for myself.

Breathing in second hand smoke is not an acceptable risk I choose to take and I will leave if someone is smoking.

Smoke where its legal. Whine if you want but the majority have voted to make it illegal in shared places.

Not whining. Just pointing out the lie at the core of your position. You're decidedly not in favor of the freedom to choose for ourselves. You think the majority should decide what is good for all of us, and then that standard should be mandated on everyone.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Police/Nanny State. Isn't it great?

In the case of banning smoking in public....yes it is

Yes, but Big Brother has done so much more than that. Banning things has become all the rage in this Police/Nanny State. What a shame.

EXACTLY what has been banned?

 

[paulitician]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?