Smoking Bans

[Luddly Neddite]

And your grand father slapped people for 40 years and it didn't hurt him, right?

You're damned tootin!

These hippie do gooders make my blood boil, sometimes. It's almost as bad as all those new laws that say you can't urinate on somebody's shoes. The way our God-given rights are being eroded in this country, I just might move somewhere else where people have REAL freedoms.

I hear Somalia is nice.

They'd LOVE North Korea.

Just ask $arah Palin!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

Most people working for a living are paying federal income tax, however nominally. Conservatives are the people most likely to be in business for themselves

Yes there is agreement

Second hand smoke is not safe. The government is within its rights to ban behavior which is presents a danger to others

there is no disagreement on that. you said the govt should make public places "safe" not "safe from second hand smoke". The word "safe" means a lot more than smoke free.

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yes...of course it does

In addition to providing a smoke free environment, a restaurant must:
Conform to building codes
Conform to health department regulations
Meet OSHA requirements
Meet fire codes

All to provide a "safe" environment

Damned Nanny State!

Yeah, so what? Those regulations make billions for the evil corporations that make sprinkler systems, sanitizers, safety harnesses, fire extinguishers, etc. Those regulations increase the prices of everything we buy, and yet, people still die from restaurant fires, oil rig fires, car wrecks, food poisoning, and infections of all kinds.

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Is it the role of the federal government to protect us from everything that could possible hurt us?

Where they can do so reasonably? Yes

And I am sorry that you have to pay more because businesses have to conform to building and fire codes and provide the public with safe food

Sucks being a conservative doesn't it?

Be grateful for conservatives and their entrepreneurial spirit, that no one who has been paid by the government all their lives, would know anything about. Conservatives are probably the only reason anyone is receiving government benefits in one form or another.

Got, it

Only conservatives pay taxes and no conservatives benefit from taxpayer funded programs

The wealthy pay more in taxes. I would argue there are more conservatives in that group than liberals. However, am I not in the Smoking Ban thread and if so, is it being derailed?

Logging off. Make a great day, sweethearts. Some of us have to go to work, so that the rest of you can play.

Some of us worked just so we COULD play.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What have "they" banned?

And, just who is this mysterious "they"?

 

[paulitician]

Everywhere the People turn, Big Brother is there harassing and demanding tribute. And some want even more Government in our lives. Oh well, such is life in a Nanny/Police State. The People seem to be embracing it. They know not what they do.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Just be glad this "big brother" of yours hasn't banned people who haven't yet grown up to the point they realize they can't just do whatever they damn well please no matter how adversely it affects others.

If immaturity is ever outlawed, you are in big trouble.

 

[rightwinger]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Nazis and Communists banned contaminated food, fire traps and unsafe sanitary conditions?

You have proof of that?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

A list of what has been banned, please.

Thanks.

 

[paulitician]

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Just be glad this "big brother" of yours hasn't banned people who haven't yet grown up to the point they realize they can't just do whatever they damn well please no matter how adversely it affects others.

If immaturity is ever outlawed, you are in big trouble.

They should outlaw it. Probably make you a happier person huh? Like when the Nazis banned Jews. Made a whole lot of Germans happier people. Just ban everything you disagree with. Why not?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others.

Do you? Really? So should people have the right to work in an office where smoking is allowed? Eat in a restaurant where smoking is allowed?

Sure, but smokers are now a minority. If the majority vote to ban smoking in the workplace and restaurants, there is no longer a question.

Smokers are free to smoke where others are not breathing.

And no one has the right to force me to smoke at my work or public places.

That's what I thought. You don't agree, at all, that people should be allowed to decide or themselves how much risk is acceptable. You want to decide for them. What you mean by - "I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others." - is exactly the opposite: that people should decide for others and that individuals shouldn't have that choice. Are all your convictions this inside-out?

I have the right to "how much risk is acceptable" for myself.

Breathing in second hand smoke is not an acceptable risk I choose to take and I will leave if someone is smoking.

Smoke where its legal. Whine if you want but the majority have voted to make it illegal in shared places.

Not whining. Just pointing out the lie at the core of your position. You're decidedly not in favor of the freedom to choose for ourselves. You think the majority should decide what is good for all of us, and then that standard should be mandated on everyone.

Well yeah ... I DO live in the United States, you know.

We vote here and yes, majority rules.

Choose whatever you want for yourself but you're not going to be allowed to choose for everyone else.

Quit whining and go outside for a cigarette.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Just be glad this "big brother" of yours hasn't banned people who haven't yet grown up to the point they realize they can't just do whatever they damn well please no matter how adversely it affects others.

If immaturity is ever outlawed, you are in big trouble.

They should outlaw it. Probably make you a happier person huh? Like when the Nazis banned Jews. Made a whole lot of Germans happier people. Just ban everything you disagree with. Why not?

What has been banned?

 

[paulitician]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Nazis and Communists banned contaminated food, fire traps and unsafe sanitary conditions?

You have proof of that?

Big Brother also banned large sodas. He really is running out of things to ban. Maybe you should suggest something? Maybe ban Tea Partiers, or swimming pools?

 

[paulitician]

Do you? Really? So should people have the right to work in an office where smoking is allowed? Eat in a restaurant where smoking is allowed?

Sure, but smokers are now a minority. If the majority vote to ban smoking in the workplace and restaurants, there is no longer a question.

Smokers are free to smoke where others are not breathing.

And no one has the right to force me to smoke at my work or public places.

That's what I thought. You don't agree, at all, that people should be allowed to decide or themselves how much risk is acceptable. You want to decide for them. What you mean by - "I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others." - is exactly the opposite: that people should decide for others and that individuals shouldn't have that choice. Are all your convictions this inside-out?

I have the right to "how much risk is acceptable" for myself.

Breathing in second hand smoke is not an acceptable risk I choose to take and I will leave if someone is smoking.

Smoke where its legal. Whine if you want but the majority have voted to make it illegal in shared places.

Not whining. Just pointing out the lie at the core of your position. You're decidedly not in favor of the freedom to choose for ourselves. You think the majority should decide what is good for all of us, and then that standard should be mandated on everyone.

Well yeah ... I DO live in the United States, you know.

We vote here and yes, majority rules.

Choose whatever you want for yourself but you're not going to be allowed to choose for everyone else.

Quit whining and go outside for a cigarette.

Not that simple anymore. You could actually be arrested & imprisoned for that. Welcome to the Nanny/Police State. Your Re-Education has begun. Enjoy.

 

[rightwinger]

The Nazis and Communists enjoyed banning things too. And they still do. It's how we've come to this Nanny/Police State. What will they ban next? Stay tuned.

What will they ban next?

Fire traps
Health code violations
Contaminated food
Unsafe sanitary conditions

Fucking Nanny State!

Yes, it's all for your own good. It always is. It's exactly what the Nazis and Communists told their People. I actually think Big Brother is running out of things to ban. What will he have to think up next?

Nazis and Communists banned contaminated food, fire traps and unsafe sanitary conditions?

You have proof of that?

Big Brother also banned large sodas. He really is running out of things to ban. Maybe you should suggest something? Maybe ban Tea Partiers, or swimming pools?

Nazis and Communists banned contaminated food, fire traps and unsafe sanitary conditions?
You have proof of that?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Sure, but smokers are now a minority. If the majority vote to ban smoking in the workplace and restaurants, there is no longer a question.

Smokers are free to smoke where others are not breathing.

And no one has the right to force me to smoke at my work or public places.

That's what I thought. You don't agree, at all, that people should be allowed to decide or themselves how much risk is acceptable. You want to decide for them. What you mean by - "I absolutely agree that people should have that choice and that they do not have the right to decide that for others." - is exactly the opposite: that people should decide for others and that individuals shouldn't have that choice. Are all your convictions this inside-out?

I have the right to "how much risk is acceptable" for myself.

Breathing in second hand smoke is not an acceptable risk I choose to take and I will leave if someone is smoking.

Smoke where its legal. Whine if you want but the majority have voted to make it illegal in shared places.

Not whining. Just pointing out the lie at the core of your position. You're decidedly not in favor of the freedom to choose for ourselves. You think the majority should decide what is good for all of us, and then that standard should be mandated on everyone.

Well yeah ... I DO live in the United States, you know.

We vote here and yes, majority rules.

Choose whatever you want for yourself but you're not going to be allowed to choose for everyone else.

Quit whining and go outside for a cigarette.

Not that simple anymore. You could actually be arrested & imprisoned for that. Welcome to the Nanny/Police State. Your Re-Education has begun. Enjoy.

You said big brother/the nanny state had run out of things to ban.

Please list the things that have been banned.

 

[paulitician]

When in doubt, just ban it. It's a lot easier that way. That's what Big Brother says. And you know he's always got your back. So just shut up and do what you're told... Or else!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Big Brother also banned large sodas. He really is running out of things to ban. Maybe you should suggest something? Maybe ban Tea Partiers, or swimming pools?

You seem to be under the impression that merely repeating the buzz phrases "nanny state" , and "big brother" over and over ad nauseam somehow validates your point of view that your right to swing your fist DOES NOT end at somebody else's nose.

Why do you think you should have the right to harm other people? Did you miss out on some important developmental stage where you learned to recognize the existence of other people or something?

Seems to be that there should be more to a person's political philosophy that sociopathy and narcissism. Other people have rights, and not just you.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When in doubt, just ban it. It's a lot easier that way. That's what Big Brother says anyway. And you know he's always got your back. So just shut up and do what you're told... Or else!

You keep saying this same fiction over and over.

Just answer the question -

WHAT has been banned?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Big Brother also banned large sodas. He really is running out of things to ban. Maybe you should suggest something? Maybe ban Tea Partiers, or swimming pools?

You seem to be under the impression that merely repeating the buzz phrases "nanny state" , and "big brother" over and over ad nauseam somehow validates your point of view that your right to swing your fist DOES NOT end at somebody else's nose.

Why do you think you should have the right to harm other people? Did you miss out on some important developmental stage where you learned to recognize the existence of other people or something?

Seems to be that there should be more to a person's political philosophy that sociopathy and narcissism. Other people have rights, and not just you.

Its always the same thing with @paulitician -Silly reactionary RW rants but never ever so much as a hint of fact or truth.

 

[paulitician]

You own a Business and pay Big Brother his tribute, you decide whether you'll allow smoking or not. Big Brother got his cut, so he can mind his business and piss off. Let him run along and go grope American kids and Grandmas at airports.

 

[rightwinger]

You own a Business and pay Big Brother his tribute, you decide whether you'll allow smoking or not. Big Brother got his cut, so he can mind his business and piss off. Let him run along and go grope American kids and Grandmas at airports.

You miss the point....you don't get to decide if smoking is allowed or not, just like you don't get to decide whether your business gets to be a fire trap