JWBooth
Diamond Member
FISA is perfectly constitutional, going back long before any panic over 9/11.Foreign. Intelligence. Surveillance. Act.
So what? What's your point? You don't think international spying is nice?
It is rather hard to spy on 7 billion people individually minus 300 some odd million Americans and the citizens of the other Five Eyes, so yes this is entering hyperbole.
United. States. Constitution.
No, I don't think it's nice to spy on innocent civilians around the world, nor do I think it's nice to spy on American citizens here. People have a right to privacy, yes, even non-Americans, and the U.S. government, along with their allies in the Five Eyes, are illegally infringing on that right.
If you don't think it's important then there's nothing I can say to change your mind about that, but let's not pretend it's a legitimate, or intelligent, use of surveillance powers.
United States v. U.S. District Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972) (dicta)
United States v. Brown, 484 F. 2d 418 (5th Cir. 1973)
United States v. Butenko, 494 F.2d 593 (3rd Cir. 1974)
Zweibon v. Mitchell, 516 F.2d 594 (D.C. Cir. 1975)
United States v. Duggan,743 F.2d 59 (2nd Cir., 1984)
United States v. Nicholson, 955 F.Supp. 588 (Va. 1997)
You are mistaken.
FISA is exactly a legitimate and intelligent use of surveillance powers.
You are mistaken in my thoughts as to its importance. You see, it is I who has concluded that you think FISA is unimportant and that's why you champion a traitor. I, on the other hand, think FISA is of the utmost importance. When I say "So what?" to your remonstration, it is simply because you have provided no compelling argument that has not been addressed in legal precedent long before any Patriot Act mumbo-jumbo.
Oh well that makes it all better, it is all legal, the courts said so.
It doesn't matter that the worst atrocities in history took place under the color of law.